RE: Tesla Model S: PH Carpool
Discussion
ORD said:
I would have to find somewhere to plug in each time I do that. That is a hassle. Some people are not sensitive to hassle. Others are acutely sensitive to hassle and time wasting.
Prefer that to the hassle of paying £50 and going to a garage.The everything for free (media/music etc) is going to like £3 fill ups.
Hugh Jarse said:
ORD said:
I would have to find somewhere to plug in each time I do that. That is a hassle. Some people are not sensitive to hassle. Others are acutely sensitive to hassle and time wasting.
Prefer that to the hassle of paying £50 and going to a garage.The everything for free (media/music etc) is going to like £3 fill ups.
I think EVs are absolutely great for pootling around towns and cities, and I would have one in a heartbeat if I had anyway to charge one at home. I just cannot see the sense in a motorway barge that cannot do long journeys. As people have said, it all depends on personal usage and preferences, but if I spent huge money on a cruiser, I would expect it to take me to Edinburgh without needing to fill up with juice. I see these kind of cars as being built for hammering up and down the country, and worrying about range would ruin the serenity for me.
ORD said:
But they will never be able to afford a Tesla S, so that's immaterial.
I think EVs are absolutely great for pootling around towns and cities, and I would have one in a heartbeat if I had anyway to charge one at home. I just cannot see the sense in a motorway barge that cannot do long journeys. As people have said, it all depends on personal usage and preferences, but if I spent huge money on a cruiser, I would expect it to take me to Edinburgh without needing to fill up with juice. I see these kind of cars as being built for hammering up and down the country, and worrying about range would ruin the serenity for me.
This has been done to death really. I think EVs are absolutely great for pootling around towns and cities, and I would have one in a heartbeat if I had anyway to charge one at home. I just cannot see the sense in a motorway barge that cannot do long journeys. As people have said, it all depends on personal usage and preferences, but if I spent huge money on a cruiser, I would expect it to take me to Edinburgh without needing to fill up with juice. I see these kind of cars as being built for hammering up and down the country, and worrying about range would ruin the serenity for me.
Edinburgh is 5 hours from me and 255 miles away, a bit over the real usable range.
But I have the choice of Gretna green supercharge which is a comfortable 170 miles away and just under 3 hours driving. I could also use Abington which is a bit further on. A break for toilet, coffee and probably food and the car would be almost full again.
Return journey a similar story. I'd probably give it 10 mins on the supercharger actually in Edinburgh.
Range is never a concern, I can't see a 5 hour journey done in one go. I don't find it inconvenient like some suggest.
ORD said:
Hugh Jarse said:
ORD said:
I would have to find somewhere to plug in each time I do that. That is a hassle. Some people are not sensitive to hassle. Others are acutely sensitive to hassle and time wasting.
Prefer that to the hassle of paying £50 and going to a garage.The everything for free (media/music etc) is going to like £3 fill ups.
I think EVs are absolutely great for pootling around towns and cities, and I would have one in a heartbeat if I had anyway to charge one at home. I just cannot see the sense in a motorway barge that cannot do long journeys. As people have said, it all depends on personal usage and preferences, but if I spent huge money on a cruiser, I would expect it to take me to Edinburgh without needing to fill up with juice. I see these kind of cars as being built for hammering up and down the country, and worrying about range would ruin the serenity for me.
Personally I've never driven that sort of distance without a break every 2 or 3 hours. So getting to Edinburgh without needing to fill up just doesn't figure at all in my car buying choices.
I do 30k miles a year, and even lowest range Tesla will work for me hence I have on on order (along with 500,000 other people)
ORD said:
Fair enough. I would accept that people who actually drive these cars are more likely to know how much of an issue the range is in practice. 
As with a lot of these things, I expect it is the perception more than the reality that poses a hurdle.
Range was a big issue when i was considering buying one. As with a lot of these things, I expect it is the perception more than the reality that poses a hurdle.Now i have lived with it i don't think its ever been below 15%, in your head, 200 miles (to be sure) seems like an issue, the fact that you can't just go to a petrol station seems like an issue. It feels like a compromise but in reality it really isn't.
Unless you are a sales rep and operate on 5 min food breaks and are up and down the motorway all day, maybe then it is an issue.
Even dialled down to 10amps, the portable charger if plugged in overnight to a holiday cottage or a friends house will put 80-100 miles back into the car. It is very convenient. You save hours over a year not waiting for a fill at petrol stations. 95% if not more of your charging is done whilst you are asleep.
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only thing to add is when you own an EV you do tend to look for hotels with charge points. Luckily more are getting points these days. Otherwise there is a bit of planning, i don't see this as a negative anymore, just a consideration.
Edited by bp1000 on Friday 22 April 09:10
bp1000 said:
ORD said:
Fair enough. I would accept that people who actually drive these cars are more likely to know how much of an issue the range is in practice. As with a lot of these things, I expect it is the perception more than the reality that poses a hurdle.
Range was a big issue when i was considering buying one. As with a lot of these things, I expect it is the perception more than the reality that poses a hurdle.Now i have lived with it i don't think its ever been below 15%, in your head, 200 miles (to be sure) seems like an issue, the fact that you can't just go to a petrol station seems like an issue. It feels like a compromise but in reality it really isn't.
Unless you are a sales rep and operate on 5 min food breaks and are up and down the motorway all day, maybe then it is an issue.
Even dialled down to 10amps, the portable charger if plugged in overnight to a holiday cottage or a friends house will put 80-100 miles back into the car. It is very convenient. You save hours over a year not waiting for a fill at petrol stations. 95% if not more of your charging is done whilst you are asleep.
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only thing to add is when you own an EV you do tend to look for hotels with charge points. Luckily more are getting points these days. Otherwise there is a bit of planning, i don't see this as a negative anymore, just a consideration.
Edited by bp1000 on Friday 22 April 09:10
Destination Chargers are going to be quadrupled in about a year.
I test drove a P90D with the ludicrous mode this afternoon and I loved it.
It was very fast from a standing start and at normal road speeds, I could feel it tailing off a little at higher speeds but that is not really much of an issue in this country and the overtaking ability was outstanding. It was comfortable, refined (apart from a bit of tyre roar from the 21" wheels), spacious and the interior build quality was plenty good enough for it not to be an issue.
It was fun to drive both in a straight line and round the corners but it was also very relaxing to drive round town or when just cruising.
It sounded a bit like a very quiet jet aircraft with a hint of milk float at low speeds.
The autopilot was very good but it takes a bit of getting used to, I tried it on a duel carriageway and in traffic at about 40mph on a twisty A road, it worked very well and I imagine that it would be great on a long motorway drive.
Overall I struggled to find fault with it and would very much like to have one.
The only issue for me is the price, I specced up a car with all the same toys as the one I drove and it came out at £112,000, that puts it in competition with a lot of very nice petrol engined cars but I suppose that it might make more sense as a company lease.
It was very fast from a standing start and at normal road speeds, I could feel it tailing off a little at higher speeds but that is not really much of an issue in this country and the overtaking ability was outstanding. It was comfortable, refined (apart from a bit of tyre roar from the 21" wheels), spacious and the interior build quality was plenty good enough for it not to be an issue.
It was fun to drive both in a straight line and round the corners but it was also very relaxing to drive round town or when just cruising.
It sounded a bit like a very quiet jet aircraft with a hint of milk float at low speeds.
The autopilot was very good but it takes a bit of getting used to, I tried it on a duel carriageway and in traffic at about 40mph on a twisty A road, it worked very well and I imagine that it would be great on a long motorway drive.
Overall I struggled to find fault with it and would very much like to have one.
The only issue for me is the price, I specced up a car with all the same toys as the one I drove and it came out at £112,000, that puts it in competition with a lot of very nice petrol engined cars but I suppose that it might make more sense as a company lease.
Yep, agreed with everything said there. I too drove a P90D yesterday and it is without doubt the future of the motor car. The list price is pretty steep, but the Tesla guys at the event (very knowledgeable and helpful) said lightly-used examples can often be had for excellent prices, so that might be worth a look.
I think it really is a fantastic achievement though, and can't wait for the Model 3 now - if it can do 80-90% of what the Model S can for less than £50k I think it'll be the game-changer Tesla think it is.
Just imagine how bad-ass electric cars will be in 15-20 years' time!
I think it really is a fantastic achievement though, and can't wait for the Model 3 now - if it can do 80-90% of what the Model S can for less than £50k I think it'll be the game-changer Tesla think it is.
Just imagine how bad-ass electric cars will be in 15-20 years' time!
bp1000 said:
Not sure what the new xf offers, swapped my xfr for a p85d. There is no contest. P85d runs circles around the xfr, in all departments.
Can't think of anything the xfr did better. I had a custom exhaust on it, sounded phenomenal. Rather have a Cayman gt4 tho.
But......but that can't be true, fat boy has been telling us we're all wrong, and so are the press, and in fact the Jag XF is the best car ever.... Can't think of anything the xfr did better. I had a custom exhaust on it, sounded phenomenal. Rather have a Cayman gt4 tho.
bp1000 said:
Not sure what the new xf offers, swapped my xfr for a p85d. There is no contest. P85d runs circles around the xfr, in all departments.
Can't think of anything the xfr did better. I had a custom exhaust on it, sounded phenomenal. Rather have a Cayman gt4 tho.
See my earlier post, XF and Tesla were on the shortlist. The only thing that stopped me from getting the Tesla is that I couldn't charge it at home.Can't think of anything the xfr did better. I had a custom exhaust on it, sounded phenomenal. Rather have a Cayman gt4 tho.
There really is no contest. On the other hand, the Jag cost me about half what the Tesla would have so it's not really a fair comparison.
bertie said:
bp1000 said:
Not sure what the new xf offers, swapped my xfr for a p85d. There is no contest. P85d runs circles around the xfr, in all departments.
Can't think of anything the xfr did better. I had a custom exhaust on it, sounded phenomenal. Rather have a Cayman gt4 tho.
But......but that can't be true, fat boy has been telling us we're all wrong, and so are the press, and in fact the Jag XF is the best car ever.... Can't think of anything the xfr did better. I had a custom exhaust on it, sounded phenomenal. Rather have a Cayman gt4 tho.
fatboy b said:
bertie said:
bp1000 said:
Not sure what the new xf offers, swapped my xfr for a p85d. There is no contest. P85d runs circles around the xfr, in all departments.
Can't think of anything the xfr did better. I had a custom exhaust on it, sounded phenomenal. Rather have a Cayman gt4 tho.
But......but that can't be true, fat boy has been telling us we're all wrong, and so are the press, and in fact the Jag XF is the best car ever.... Can't think of anything the xfr did better. I had a custom exhaust on it, sounded phenomenal. Rather have a Cayman gt4 tho.
Nobody has said they chose one to save a few £ on fuel, they were chosen because they're a great car.
I'm spending nothing, it's a company car, so I'm just saving a load of tax and getting a better car.
Edited by bertie on Saturday 23 April 20:21
bertie said:
Ah so price is the issue now?
Nobody has said they chose one to save a few £ on fuel, they were chosen because they're a great car.
I'm spending nothing, it's a company car, so I'm just saving a load of tax and getting a better car.
Saving tax makes it a price issue, doesn't it? Nobody has said they chose one to save a few £ on fuel, they were chosen because they're a great car.
I'm spending nothing, it's a company car, so I'm just saving a load of tax and getting a better car.
Edited by bertie on Saturday 23 April 20:21
And the 'getting a better car' point. Better than what (aside from a Jaguar XF)?
As someone else said above, £110k buys some pretty special cars but if it's looked at as a company provided transport solution then I can see it makes sense.
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