RE: Porsche 911 GT3 RS facelift first look
Discussion
Who cares... not as if porsche will let us buy one anyway. They are to busy making cars for dealers to make profit on through resale, rather than being bothered about anyone actually driving them.
Cant wait for the day Porsche make a limited edition 91X with a 1 litre engine and not tell anyone - doubt anyone would notice as no-one buys these to drive these days anyway!
Cant wait for the day Porsche make a limited edition 91X with a 1 litre engine and not tell anyone - doubt anyone would notice as no-one buys these to drive these days anyway!
Matt Bird said:
Hi all,
Thanks for the GT2 pointers! We can only go off the info provided and a bit of initiative ('bit' being the operative word!) that all pointed to this has another GT3 RS. But as you say, those additional vents at the back could well be for additional turbo cooling. If only they had provided a video! Once there's any more concrete details we'll update the story. We would think Porsche would start with a GT2 before GT2 RS but let's see.
Cheers!
Mat
You can also see the turbo oil lines quite clearly on both sides at the rear. Exhaust is blueing in centre which means titanium another GT2 feature.Thanks for the GT2 pointers! We can only go off the info provided and a bit of initiative ('bit' being the operative word!) that all pointed to this has another GT3 RS. But as you say, those additional vents at the back could well be for additional turbo cooling. If only they had provided a video! Once there's any more concrete details we'll update the story. We would think Porsche would start with a GT2 before GT2 RS but let's see.
Cheers!
Mat
Definitely GT2 RS, a manual 991 Gen 2 GT3 will be in the offering shortly too. It will be interesting to see how both cars affect the 911R and 991 Gen 1 GT3 RS values. Porsche are really testing the patience of their enthusiasts of late with their over-hyping of 'limited run' GT cars.
Regards,
MyCC.
Regards,
MyCC.
1. I'm not fan of 911s as I firmly believe that the engine is in the wrong place despite having never driven 1 or felt the urge to do so.
2. This 1 looks quite good. Which means that when they take off all the disguising bits and we see the finished article I'll hate it.
3. It's back to wanting a Cayman GT 4 for me. No I haven't driven 1 either but at least it doesn't need 4 wheel drive / 4 wheel steering and tyres the width of Mars to get it out of the hedgerows
2. This 1 looks quite good. Which means that when they take off all the disguising bits and we see the finished article I'll hate it.
3. It's back to wanting a Cayman GT 4 for me. No I haven't driven 1 either but at least it doesn't need 4 wheel drive / 4 wheel steering and tyres the width of Mars to get it out of the hedgerows
anonymous said:
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They certainly don't help by turning a blind eye when OPC's sell delivery mile cars at 50-100% over list as well as then building the model that they said they never could i.e a GT3 engined car with a manual gearbox (911R) and then a 991 Gen 2 GT3 with NA engine.Regards,
MyCC.
[quote=EnglishTony]1. I'm not fan of 911s as I firmly believe that the engine is in the wrong place despite having never driven 1 or felt the urge to do so.
Until last week I had never driven a 911 or felt the urge to do so, but having been given a choice of 5 supercars to drive, I tried a 911 out of curiosity. It was a revelation.
Until last week I had never driven a 911 or felt the urge to do so, but having been given a choice of 5 supercars to drive, I tried a 911 out of curiosity. It was a revelation.
I have a 1980s 911, heavily modded / f***ed about (depending on your perspective). Among (many) other things, it has the following mods:
- Brake servo removed, balance lever
- Back to 15” rims – with 6” wide tyres (skinniest I could get – f*** grip, it’s for chavs and cissies)
- Custom-ratio box
- 3.8 litre 993 conversion by a 911 specialist. Est c 350bhp, was developing 320 on Motec etc as a 3.6 before being worked on properly, though hard to say exactly as it has so much torque it kept jumping off the rollers on the late (great guy RIP) Bob Watson’s dyno. Loads of torque and pulls like a train. Noticeably quicker than any cooking 997 series 911
According to the keyboard ‘experts’, my old nail, even before it was rodded, was a ‘menace’ to drive.
I drive fast, but am a pretty bad driver. Fast and crap; not a good combo. And I can say that even for me, a rodded old 911 with no stability control or in my case even brake servos, on deliberately skinny tyres; provided you keep even a modicum of wits about you, it handles like a dream.
All this ‘engine in wrong place’ stuff is rubbish spouted by people repeating clichés they’ve read somewhere else. FFS, at least try one before you start spouting off.
First, you get massive traction out of bends – way better than any of my front drive cars. Second, stability under straight line braking is exceptional, again much better than front drivers. And my two kids fit nicely into the rear bucket seats – most similar cars don’t even have 2 rear seats.
- Brake servo removed, balance lever
- Back to 15” rims – with 6” wide tyres (skinniest I could get – f*** grip, it’s for chavs and cissies)
- Custom-ratio box
- 3.8 litre 993 conversion by a 911 specialist. Est c 350bhp, was developing 320 on Motec etc as a 3.6 before being worked on properly, though hard to say exactly as it has so much torque it kept jumping off the rollers on the late (great guy RIP) Bob Watson’s dyno. Loads of torque and pulls like a train. Noticeably quicker than any cooking 997 series 911
According to the keyboard ‘experts’, my old nail, even before it was rodded, was a ‘menace’ to drive.
I drive fast, but am a pretty bad driver. Fast and crap; not a good combo. And I can say that even for me, a rodded old 911 with no stability control or in my case even brake servos, on deliberately skinny tyres; provided you keep even a modicum of wits about you, it handles like a dream.
All this ‘engine in wrong place’ stuff is rubbish spouted by people repeating clichés they’ve read somewhere else. FFS, at least try one before you start spouting off.
First, you get massive traction out of bends – way better than any of my front drive cars. Second, stability under straight line braking is exceptional, again much better than front drivers. And my two kids fit nicely into the rear bucket seats – most similar cars don’t even have 2 rear seats.
Oakman said:
What Porsche seem to be doing relentlessly, appears to be squeezing enthusiasts even further away.
Agreed. From the age of 3 I was a die-hard Porsche fan. Now I never want to buy a new Porsche again. The only two that appeal to me are the GT4 and the 911R, neither of which are available to the non-VIP buyer. On principle I intend never to pay over list, so maybe that's my loss. Then again, there are fabulous older models on the used market some of which remain undiscovered by the speculators.Once upon a time, the entire Porsche range offered the immersive driving experience of today's halo models. Now you have to genuflect at the altar of Porsche to be considered worthy enough. Sod that.
Wrote to my Solihull dealer a month ago and asked to be put on the list. They responded saying the Dealer Head would contact me - never did. Money waiting - they took my deposit on a GT4 and then said I was too late. It seem's I simply do not register with them despite already owning 2 911's including a 997 GT3 gen 2. Porsche are not interested in enthusiasts any more.....makes me glad I have other cars to balance things out.
I have been a Porsche lover for 30 years but their treatment of customers over the GT cars is terrible even the dealers seem happy to join the band wagon. I won't buy another new Porsche ever due to this I will stick to the older cars . I may even cosier changing brand.......will they care ? I doubt, but that does not mean they will get my money
Not sure why Porsche is special regarding the customer treatment. Ferrari have been doing this limited edition stuff for years and no protests. A limited edition by definition has a finite amount of production, and while the GT cars are not limited to a hard number like the 997 4.0, it is easy to look at the past production and see that each rollout of (say) the cooking variety GT3 RS is generally about 2000 cars per model. No big secret.
SO ,more customers than product, a price level that is not outrageous for the performance. Of course there will be some people who do not get a particular car.
This makes for quite a lot of cars when you think of all of the 997.1 and 7.2 models, plus the 991 . Porsche is a fairly big outfit and this is a very small part of their product line with negligible contribution to revenues, and is to me more of a brand support kind of line.
I have succeeded and failed at getting these cars, good when it works, not a huge deal when it does not. There are lots of choices in the marketplace.
SO ,more customers than product, a price level that is not outrageous for the performance. Of course there will be some people who do not get a particular car.
This makes for quite a lot of cars when you think of all of the 997.1 and 7.2 models, plus the 991 . Porsche is a fairly big outfit and this is a very small part of their product line with negligible contribution to revenues, and is to me more of a brand support kind of line.
I have succeeded and failed at getting these cars, good when it works, not a huge deal when it does not. There are lots of choices in the marketplace.
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