RE: Nissan 370Z NISMO: Spotted
Discussion
leglessAlex said:
According to Autocar the TTS kerb weight is 1460kg, so hardly a good deal heavier. (Edit: Audi list the unladen weight as 1385kg, so ok then it's a bit heavier, but still more powerful. I wonder why Autocar has it so wrong?)
Fairly sure Autocar stick them on a set of scales a part of their full road test. I know its not the same as the Nismo, but the basic car (and I know, not even the GT model) Is £27,860 OTR according to Nissan's price list with 18" wheels and a manual box. Surely there would be some discount to be negotiated on that going by what is available on the rest of the Nissan range.
Given Toyota are trying to thrust "less is more" down peoples throats, perhaps the simple (er) version is more desirable? As the GT is 32,960 and seems to add some bigger wheels, leather seats and satnav... well these days most people seem to want their own wheels, their own aftermarket ICE and if you wanted to use it in anger then some more track day inspired seats would be the way forwards - it makes the basic car look the bargain of the century!
But back to the list price on the Nismo, which is £10,190 more than the basic car for 16ps and 8nm of torque, I'm fairly sure for £10k someone could come up with some sort of supercharger for it!...
Wait a minute!
http://www.tarmacsportz.co.uk/370z_STILLEN_500HP_S...
Given Toyota are trying to thrust "less is more" down peoples throats, perhaps the simple (er) version is more desirable? As the GT is 32,960 and seems to add some bigger wheels, leather seats and satnav... well these days most people seem to want their own wheels, their own aftermarket ICE and if you wanted to use it in anger then some more track day inspired seats would be the way forwards - it makes the basic car look the bargain of the century!
But back to the list price on the Nismo, which is £10,190 more than the basic car for 16ps and 8nm of torque, I'm fairly sure for £10k someone could come up with some sort of supercharger for it!...
Wait a minute!
http://www.tarmacsportz.co.uk/370z_STILLEN_500HP_S...
sandys said:
I don't see how they compare really.
It's a RWD NA V6 Sports coupe, it is less than 100kgs heavier than a 4cylinder turbo FWD Pug but with more power, about 50kgs more than an AWD Audi with comparable performance but the Audi has less power from its 4cyl turbo?
The BRZ can only compare if it had an engine to back up.
To me its weight is not bad for what you get, performance is good, steering is great, it drives well, its like an MX5 on steroids.
I am itching to buy one and its only the fact I cannot fit in with a helmet on that has put me off so far, as it means custom seats, mounts etc and I don't want to do that on a new motor, reach an rake would have sorted it for me but for some reason like my MX5 they only do rake, on my 5 I just put the roof down and let my big head pop out the top 
I had to pinch myself when I saw that people are comparing the Aldi TT...sorry.... RCZ with a 370Z, I don't consider them to be in the same league, which to me, is basically just a hot hatch in a frock. The real Audi TT is a closer match but still completely different. It's a RWD NA V6 Sports coupe, it is less than 100kgs heavier than a 4cylinder turbo FWD Pug but with more power, about 50kgs more than an AWD Audi with comparable performance but the Audi has less power from its 4cyl turbo?
The BRZ can only compare if it had an engine to back up.
To me its weight is not bad for what you get, performance is good, steering is great, it drives well, its like an MX5 on steroids.
I am itching to buy one and its only the fact I cannot fit in with a helmet on that has put me off so far, as it means custom seats, mounts etc and I don't want to do that on a new motor, reach an rake would have sorted it for me but for some reason like my MX5 they only do rake, on my 5 I just put the roof down and let my big head pop out the top I had a 350Z a few years ago and have always wondered why they come in for such a hard time on here. OK they aren't light if taken as a 2-seater sports car, but they are pretty big, almost muscle car, and I always felt they handled pretty well for what they were, as long as you remember its not a precision instrument like an Elise, more like a hammer, they are fine. The sound mine made was fantastic.
For £26K, almost new, they don't seem to have many real rivals.
Matt Bird said:
leglessAlex said:
The article said:
the kerbweight is a bit porky
See, this always gets repeated a lot but in this day and age it's not all that bad. Wikipedia has the curb/wet weight listed as 1,466kg, which compared to a lot of todays cars isn't bad at all. It's significantly lighter than two of it's US and EU rivals, the Mustang and the F-Type respectively. Here's another not similar car:
BMW e46 M3 = 1570kg
http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/...
Yet how often do people complain about them being too heavy.
The 370z is really the entry point into the 2 seat sporting GT market... it's not a FWD hatch based vehicle or a 2+2. The GT86 is nice, but rather a different ethos.
In the UK market I suspect the closest rival to the 370z is/was the BMW Z4. But they are a lot more money and 1470-1495kg.
A few rungs higher, Corvette C7 or even an Aston V8. Both heavier again. I know they are a different price range new, but they are all 2 seater sporting GT's...
Impasse said:
leglessAlex said:
According to Autocar the TTS kerb weight is 1460kg, so hardly a good deal heavier. (Edit: Audi list the unladen weight as 1385kg, so ok then it's a bit heavier, but still more powerful. I wonder why Autocar has it so wrong?)
Fairly sure Autocar stick them on a set of scales a part of their full road test. Either way, I think it's a vaild point. These cars aren't porky by todays standards, and it's debateable if they were really all that porky when they were released.
I have to say driving both on a fairly regular basis I dont think the GT86 does handle any better than the zed, its much more entertaining to drive for sure and much easier to drive with much better factory TCS but it doesnt turn in as well as the 370z nor does it have the grip.
I think they are a great looking car though not that I would be tempted to spend £38k for one, for that money I would expect more, the three blanking plates where the heated seat switches go would grate on me , spending that kind of money i expect more , even just a little NISMO plate there would be an improvement
I would like the seats and wheels on my 370GT but I think the bodykit is a little marmite
I think they are a great looking car though not that I would be tempted to spend £38k for one, for that money I would expect more, the three blanking plates where the heated seat switches go would grate on me , spending that kind of money i expect more , even just a little NISMO plate there would be an improvement
I would like the seats and wheels on my 370GT but I think the bodykit is a little marmite
quavey said:
I know its not the same as the Nismo, but the basic car (and I know, not even the GT model) Is £27,860 OTR according to Nissan's price list with 18" wheels and a manual box. Surely there would be some discount to be negotiated on that going by what is available on the rest of the Nissan range.
Given Toyota are trying to thrust "less is more" down peoples throats, perhaps the simple (er) version is more desirable? As the GT is 32,960 and seems to add some bigger wheels, leather seats and satnav... well these days most people seem to want their own wheels, their own aftermarket ICE and if you wanted to use it in anger then some more track day inspired seats would be the way forwards - it makes the basic car look the bargain of the century!
But back to the list price on the Nismo, which is £10,190 more than the basic car for 16ps and 8nm of torque, I'm fairly sure for £10k someone could come up with some sort of supercharger for it!...
Wait a minute!
http://www.tarmacsportz.co.uk/370z_STILLEN_500HP_S...
My 370z has the Stillen kit on it Given Toyota are trying to thrust "less is more" down peoples throats, perhaps the simple (er) version is more desirable? As the GT is 32,960 and seems to add some bigger wheels, leather seats and satnav... well these days most people seem to want their own wheels, their own aftermarket ICE and if you wanted to use it in anger then some more track day inspired seats would be the way forwards - it makes the basic car look the bargain of the century!
But back to the list price on the Nismo, which is £10,190 more than the basic car for 16ps and 8nm of torque, I'm fairly sure for £10k someone could come up with some sort of supercharger for it!...
Wait a minute!
http://www.tarmacsportz.co.uk/370z_STILLEN_500HP_S...
I enjoyed my 350Z, I think people confuse heft in the controls with vehicle weight, my cls feels light as a feather to drive due to 400 lb/ft of grunt, auto and fairly light steering but its 300 kilos heavier.
I think people expect them to be something they are not, they are basically a modern, 2 seat 3 Litre Capri, i.e. not premium or fancy in anwyay, honest, meat and two veg, get the job done, fairly quick but wont be troubling a Golf R with a remap, comfy but not a jag etc
They are heavy but then, unlike an E46 M3 the bodyshell doesnt unravel, tough as old boots, look underneath one and marvel at the construction, hint of Brunel in the metalwork.
The engine sounds impressive, especially with an aftermarket exahaust but sometimes its shouting promises more than it delivers, a sort of Nascar ish howl and progress, but not as much as you expect, the Merc is a lot faster and comparatively, silent.
I did think about a 370Z but had been there and done that, wasnt really interested in a slightly better one, 27 grand for this is brilliant value, they even hold there money pretty well (after the initial plunge off a cliff most new cars have) you dont really see many 370's below 15 grand, which isnt bad for a 30 grand car at six or seven years old, I owned mine for just over 2 years and sold it for exactly the same as I bought it for, petrol and VED notwithstanding, it was a very cheap ownership experience, cant imagine a 370 bought at the right price would be much different, the market is more amenable to big engines at the moment, make the most of it.
I think people expect them to be something they are not, they are basically a modern, 2 seat 3 Litre Capri, i.e. not premium or fancy in anwyay, honest, meat and two veg, get the job done, fairly quick but wont be troubling a Golf R with a remap, comfy but not a jag etc
They are heavy but then, unlike an E46 M3 the bodyshell doesnt unravel, tough as old boots, look underneath one and marvel at the construction, hint of Brunel in the metalwork.
The engine sounds impressive, especially with an aftermarket exahaust but sometimes its shouting promises more than it delivers, a sort of Nascar ish howl and progress, but not as much as you expect, the Merc is a lot faster and comparatively, silent.
I did think about a 370Z but had been there and done that, wasnt really interested in a slightly better one, 27 grand for this is brilliant value, they even hold there money pretty well (after the initial plunge off a cliff most new cars have) you dont really see many 370's below 15 grand, which isnt bad for a 30 grand car at six or seven years old, I owned mine for just over 2 years and sold it for exactly the same as I bought it for, petrol and VED notwithstanding, it was a very cheap ownership experience, cant imagine a 370 bought at the right price would be much different, the market is more amenable to big engines at the moment, make the most of it.
BuzzBravado said:
V8RX7 said:
The ONLY reason I don't own a 350z / 370Z is that it's a 2 seater - it should have been a 2+2
They only have to be token seats to get two small children a few miles to school.
The Infiniti G35 is a 4 seater 350Z. They only have to be token seats to get two small children a few miles to school.
Turquoise said:
Tell us more!!
I work for a tuning company that specialises in the 350 and 370 and the GT86, we have done a few supercharger installs for customers on these cars and are currently building a 800hp twin turbo 350z for time attack , my car was actually a customers car although we didnt do the charger install we did work on the uprated gearbox (It has a US built 1000hp capable 7 speed auto) and we fitted a Quaife diff and did the mapping amongst other things like uprated suspension and brakes The Stillen kit works pretty well off the shelf but improvements can be made
So our customer fancied a change so I did a deal with my stock (I put my car back to stock for him) plus some cash for the charged one
This car is identical to my old 370 GT it just makes 140hp more, externally it looks the same as all the rest, drives very much like an NA car but with more shove, doesnt even have a big impact on the economy it uses about 10-15% more fuel and has done 27k as a daily driver so just as reliable , just needs a bit more servicing with oil changes every 7.5k really although I will be doing both engine and supercharger oil changes every 5k miles
300bhp/ton said:
The oldest one is 8 years old. Not sure this can be gauged yet, although if 8 year old examples were rusty, that would be very very poor.
Once considered a Zed as well. Remember reading this (German) article:http://www.autobild.de/artikel/nissan-370z-gebrauc...
and crossed it off my list.
In short: 4 yr old 70k miles car already had serious rust issues. And that one wasn't even exposed to UK weather
Exactly. All Japanese cars I have seen do not hold up well to UK weather and if they haven't been weather sealed properly with dinitrol or something equivalent then they rot sooner rather than later.
Actually, all cars regardless of make seem to do this over here unless they are completely aluminum or carbon fibre.
Actually, all cars regardless of make seem to do this over here unless they are completely aluminum or carbon fibre.
300bhp/ton said:
Why would you compare it to cars which really aren't all that similar?
Here's another not similar car:
BMW e46 M3 = 1570kg
Yet how often do people complain about them being too heavy.
That's a 4 seater coupe and I complain it's too heavy.Here's another not similar car:
BMW e46 M3 = 1570kg
Yet how often do people complain about them being too heavy.
Rob on here suggested that cars over 1250kg are too heavy to feel sporty and I agree, I had an S14 200SX and a Supra NA at the same time and the 1500kg Supra just wasn't fun to hustle along, it's reactions were all dulled by too much weight.
Turquoise said:
liner33 said:
My 370z has the Stillen kit on it
Tell us more!!V8RX7 said:
That's a 4 seater coupe and I complain it's too heavy.
But it seems the trend to compare the 350/370z's with 2+2 coupes. And while you may complain it's too heavy, I bet you'd struggle to find a PH/car mag article that does.V8RX7 said:
Rob on here suggested that cars over 1250kg are too heavy to feel sporty and I agree, I had an S14 200SX and a Supra NA at the same time and the 1500kg Supra just wasn't fun to hustle along, it's reactions were all dulled by too much weight.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.I'm not disagreeing. Although I'm not sure most people, even ones who are good drivers would likely be able to tell the weight of a vehicle easily. They'd base it on it's physical size and appearance, or what someone on the internet told them.
Some small cars can feel heavy, some big cars nimble. I find my z28 is arguably more fun to hustle along than my Roadster was, it's a big car, so you always feel like you need more space, but the you grab it by the scruff of the neck, the better it gets. The Roadster liked a delicate touch and smooth inputs.
Alias218 said:
Indeed, more on the reliability. I've looked at this kit before for my VQ35HR, but I'm terrified of bolting on a SC to a stock block. How do these engines hold up to FI? I'd rather not crack open my engine and pour thousands into new hardware. IIRC these engines have a 10.6:1 CR - that's awfully high for a FI application.
This car has done 27,000 miles with the supercharger fitted and was a daily driver until recently, it doesnt use oil and nothing has broken in that time, the stock compression is 11/1 but the boost pressure is only 9psi. In the US where both the 370z and these supercharger conversions are more popular some people have done over 100k on charged cars We have also done these kits on the 350z HR , I think we were the first to do an HR as well the one we did seems to run well producing around 430-450hp
My car is fitted with an Ark Grip system and motordyne front pipes , it sounds nice but its pretty loud
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