The new type r - is it a sales flop?
Discussion
RenOHH said:
But I see 'Type R' as almost a separate brand to Honda. Surely no one associates Type R with older people. There's a lot of history with Type R and other fast Hondas that have gone before, and I reckon it's that that's attractive to the younger crowd. IMO it's very close to what M means to BMW (I am not suggesting Type R badged cars are on a level with proper M cars).
This car is still at least £5k too much though.
It may be lack of familiarity, but isn't Type R just the sporty version of it? This car is still at least £5k too much though.
Edited by RenOHH on Thursday 21st April 23:45
They may well be great cars but I wouldn't say they appeal more to younger people as a cool car. I'm just going based on my perceptions of the brand but I think that it varies a lot regionally (even within a country as small as ours)
JockySteer said:
LuS1fer said:
Maybe......just maybe......the height of that wing..... might mean....it actually serves an aerodynamic purpose... as opposed to a theatrical one.
Just putting that out there.
Not sure about the "diffuser" though.
On a FWD hatchback? Don't think so.Just putting that out there.
Not sure about the "diffuser" though.
Hopefully that works as I'm on my phone. The whole "you don't need a wing on a fwd car" is ridiculous.
Axionknight said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
I drive their demo with 4500 miles on it, the conti's were down to just about 3mm so they're obviously on the "nürburgring" sticky specials!
Probably been caned, I took one out and the dealer chap was very enthusiastic about letting me see what the car could do (for obvious reasons) to say the least! 6000 miles for tyres eh? f
king hell.Jimmy Recard said:
RenOHH said:
But I see 'Type R' as almost a separate brand to Honda. Surely no one associates Type R with older people. There's a lot of history with Type R and other fast Hondas that have gone before, and I reckon it's that that's attractive to the younger crowd. IMO it's very close to what M means to BMW (I am not suggesting Type R badged cars are on a level with proper M cars).
This car is still at least £5k too much though.
It may be lack of familiarity, but isn't Type R just the sporty version of it?This car is still at least £5k too much though.
They may well be great cars but I wouldn't say they appeal more to younger people as a cool car. I'm just going based on my perceptions of the brand but I think that it varies a lot regionally (even within a country as small as ours)
My Accord Type R for example, shared basically a dashboard and overall body shape with the ordinary Accord and that was it.
It had a stiffer body shell with an additional rear bulkhead behind the rear seats (meaning no folding seats) for better rigidity, different suspension, an LSD, a completely new 2.2 engine built from the ground up for performance (as opposed to using the normal engine with a few extra HP added), Recaro seats, Momo steering wheel, reduced sound-deadening etc.
Likewise the DC2 which couldn't have been any more different to a standard Integra- which even went to the lengths of having a thinner windscreen, lower subframe etc.
It certainly wasn't a case of adding a few go-faster bits to a standard model and calling it a Type R, it was built from the ground up as a different car, with an extremely high degree of engineering and reliability. Very much in the same manner as the BMW 'M' cars, even if not in the same league performance wise.
I can't speak for the newer Type R's mind as I've not had much experience with them, but I'd like to think they still continue this tradition.
Squirrelofwoe said:
Jimmy Recard said:
RenOHH said:
But I see 'Type R' as almost a separate brand to Honda. Surely no one associates Type R with older people. There's a lot of history with Type R and other fast Hondas that have gone before, and I reckon it's that that's attractive to the younger crowd. IMO it's very close to what M means to BMW (I am not suggesting Type R badged cars are on a level with proper M cars).
This car is still at least £5k too much though.
It may be lack of familiarity, but isn't Type R just the sporty version of it?This car is still at least £5k too much though.
They may well be great cars but I wouldn't say they appeal more to younger people as a cool car. I'm just going based on my perceptions of the brand but I think that it varies a lot regionally (even within a country as small as ours)
My Accord Type R for example, shared basically a dashboard and overall body shape with the ordinary Accord and that was it.
It had a stiffer body shell with an additional rear bulkhead behind the rear seats (meaning no folding seats) for better rigidity, different suspension, an LSD, a completely new 2.2 engine built from the ground up for performance (as opposed to using the normal engine with a few extra HP added), Recaro seats, Momo steering wheel, reduced sound-deadening etc.
Likewise the DC2 which couldn't have been any more different to a standard Integra- which even went to the lengths of having a thinner windscreen, lower subframe etc.
It certainly wasn't a case of adding a few go-faster bits to a standard model and calling it a Type R, it was built from the ground up as a different car, with an extremely high degree of engineering and reliability. Very much in the same manner as the BMW 'M' cars, even if not in the same league performance wise.
I can't speak for the newer Type R's mind as I've not had much experience with them, but I'd like to think they still continue this tradition.
SidewaysSi said:
Squirrelofwoe said:
Jimmy Recard said:
RenOHH said:
But I see 'Type R' as almost a separate brand to Honda. Surely no one associates Type R with older people. There's a lot of history with Type R and other fast Hondas that have gone before, and I reckon it's that that's attractive to the younger crowd. IMO it's very close to what M means to BMW (I am not suggesting Type R badged cars are on a level with proper M cars).
This car is still at least £5k too much though.
It may be lack of familiarity, but isn't Type R just the sporty version of it?This car is still at least £5k too much though.
They may well be great cars but I wouldn't say they appeal more to younger people as a cool car. I'm just going based on my perceptions of the brand but I think that it varies a lot regionally (even within a country as small as ours)
My Accord Type R for example, shared basically a dashboard and overall body shape with the ordinary Accord and that was it.
It had a stiffer body shell with an additional rear bulkhead behind the rear seats (meaning no folding seats) for better rigidity, different suspension, an LSD, a completely new 2.2 engine built from the ground up for performance (as opposed to using the normal engine with a few extra HP added), Recaro seats, Momo steering wheel, reduced sound-deadening etc.
Likewise the DC2 which couldn't have been any more different to a standard Integra- which even went to the lengths of having a thinner windscreen, lower subframe etc.
It certainly wasn't a case of adding a few go-faster bits to a standard model and calling it a Type R, it was built from the ground up as a different car, with an extremely high degree of engineering and reliability. Very much in the same manner as the BMW 'M' cars, even if not in the same league performance wise.
I can't speak for the newer Type R's mind as I've not had much experience with them, but I'd like to think they still continue this tradition.
Either way, both are very much more than just an ordinary model with red red badges.
vtecyo said:
JockySteer said:
LuS1fer said:
Maybe......just maybe......the height of that wing..... might mean....it actually serves an aerodynamic purpose... as opposed to a theatrical one.
Just putting that out there.
Not sure about the "diffuser" though.
On a FWD hatchback? Don't think so.Just putting that out there.
Not sure about the "diffuser" though.
Hopefully that works as I'm on my phone. The whole "you don't need a wing on a fwd car" is ridiculous.
We know rear grip affects the handling, we know the grippier/newer tyres should go on the rear, and we know it's possible to get the rear of a FWD car to step out (accidentally or deliberately).
I was at japfest on Sunday and got to take a close up look at a couple of them.
Sorry there just not my bag, a little bit too yobbish for my liking. Although I did get to se the torquen-gt stand and there brand new civic mugen rr, on of only a couple hundred in the world. Very nice. Would rather have had the Honda nsx-r next to it though.
Sorry there just not my bag, a little bit too yobbish for my liking. Although I did get to se the torquen-gt stand and there brand new civic mugen rr, on of only a couple hundred in the world. Very nice. Would rather have had the Honda nsx-r next to it though.
Jimmy Recard said:
I've got to say I've never really paid them much attention - I've always assumed it's just like a Vauxhall SRi or Ford ST.
Thanks for sharing your ignorance 
Comparing the SRi suffix to the Type R is the stupidest thing I've read in a while, and I go on Facebook occasionally.
Marvtec said:
Thanks for sharing your ignorance
Comparing the SRi suffix to the Type R is the stupidest thing I've read in a while, and I go on Facebook occasionally.
I've just never paid attention. I'm not too bothered by not knowing - the cars still don't really appeal to me.Comparing the SRi suffix to the Type R is the stupidest thing I've read in a while, and I go on Facebook occasionally.
I did see a new Civic Type R today. Looked better in person than in pictures but not great,
You have a point in the same sort of way as someone who knows nothing about cars would look at a 320d m sport and think it was an M car.
You can look at many hot hatches as being a completely different car from a regular civic/focus/golf/1 series etc just with the hatch shell stuck on top. They're not all like that obviously, Vauxhall have pretty much down graded the SRi to little more than a trim level.
You can look at many hot hatches as being a completely different car from a regular civic/focus/golf/1 series etc just with the hatch shell stuck on top. They're not all like that obviously, Vauxhall have pretty much down graded the SRi to little more than a trim level.
BrownBottle said:
Jimmy Recard said:
rb5er said:
An SRi is nothing like an ST. A type-r is very different again.
Faster versions of normal hatchbacks and saloons. Seems reasonably similar.Are you lost or just stuck in the 90's?
t as VXR's 
actually. Saw another a few weeks backed parked up at Maccie D's 
Jimmy Recard said:
rb5er said:
An SRi is nothing like an ST. A type-r is very different again.
Faster versions of normal hatchbacks and saloons. Seems reasonably similar.ST is more akin to VXR.
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