RE: New Audi TT RS revealed

[Pan Pan Pan]

s m said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

The problem with cars that are (or are perceived by the buying public)to be desirable is that they usually sell in large numbers, unless manufacturing constraints, or a staggering price tag preclude this.
Not sure if it is a regional thing, but there do seem to be an extraordinary number of TT`s on the roads in the Essex area.
Of course another factor, is that if they are built to be durable, and looked after by their owners, they tend to last well, and the numbers on the road are consequently added to, by subsequent sales swelling the numbers seen still further.
The unfortunate term, every man and his dog has got one, seems to start creeping in.

I'll be honest, I'm a fairly avid car spotter/observer, but I rarely see a TT RS round here in Shropshire. There's only one I can think of that I see occasionally

Thank you for the reply, but I should have said TT`s of all types, there do seem to be a remarkable number on the roads around here. Which is testament to their popularity, its just that they don't seem so special as they did when first introduced, by dint of their sheer numbers.

Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Tuesday 26th April 17:02

[dc2rr07]

s m said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

The problem with cars that are (or are perceived by the buying public)to be desirable is that they usually sell in large numbers, unless manufacturing constraints, or a staggering price tag preclude this.
Not sure if it is a regional thing, but there do seem to be an extraordinary number of TT`s on the roads in the Essex area.
Of course another factor, is that if they are built to be durable, and looked after by their owners, they tend to last well, and the numbers on the road are consequently added to, by subsequent sales swelling the numbers seen still further.
The unfortunate term, every man and his dog has got one, seems to start creeping in.

I'll be honest, I'm a fairly avid car spotter/observer, but I rarely see a TT RS round here in Shropshire. There's only one I can think of that I see occasionally

I think there are only about 900 TTRS registered in the UK, but as you pointed out there are a lot of TT's about.

Edited by dc2rr07 on Tuesday 26th April 17:07

[Shnozz]

Pan Pan Pan said:

s m said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

The problem with cars that are (or are perceived by the buying public)to be desirable is that they usually sell in large numbers, unless manufacturing constraints, or a staggering price tag preclude this.
Not sure if it is a regional thing, but there do seem to be an extraordinary number of TT`s on the roads in the Essex area.
Of course another factor, is that if they are built to be durable, and looked after by their owners, they tend to last well, and the numbers on the road are consequently added to, by subsequent sales swelling the numbers seen still further.
The unfortunate term, every man and his dog has got one, seems to start creeping in.

I'll be honest, I'm a fairly avid car spotter/observer, but I rarely see a TT RS round here in Shropshire. There's only one I can think of that I see occasionally

Thank you for the reply, but I should have said TT`s of all types, there do seem to be a remarkable number on the roads around here. Which is testament to their popularity, its just that they don't seem so special as they did when first introduced, by dint of the their sheer numbers.

It's a fair cop and often the complaint of Porsches - especially given the designs have not been too far adrift in aesthetics outside of the eye of a car person.

The reality is, if you want leftfield, you probably won't buy one. Not all drivers want to show to be unique or stand out, however. Part of the attraction to the RS, to me, is the wolf in sheeps clothing. Yes, its not a proper Q car given the TT's are marketed as sports cars, but simply put the lowest entry TT would struggle against a warm hatch, yet under the same body there could be an engine making it capable to trade blows with supercars. You'd struggle to decipher between them unless bordering on car bore territory.

That is subjectively either very attractive or very unattractive.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Shnozz said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

s m said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

The problem with cars that are (or are perceived by the buying public)to be desirable is that they usually sell in large numbers, unless manufacturing constraints, or a staggering price tag preclude this.
Not sure if it is a regional thing, but there do seem to be an extraordinary number of TT`s on the roads in the Essex area.
Of course another factor, is that if they are built to be durable, and looked after by their owners, they tend to last well, and the numbers on the road are consequently added to, by subsequent sales swelling the numbers seen still further.
The unfortunate term, every man and his dog has got one, seems to start creeping in.

I'll be honest, I'm a fairly avid car spotter/observer, but I rarely see a TT RS round here in Shropshire. There's only one I can think of that I see occasionally

Thank you for the reply, but I should have said TT`s of all types, there do seem to be a remarkable number on the roads around here. Which is testament to their popularity, its just that they don't seem so special as they did when first introduced, by dint of the their sheer numbers.

It's a fair cop and often the complaint of Porsches - especially given the designs have not been too far adrift in aesthetics outside of the eye of a car person.

The reality is, if you want leftfield, you probably won't buy one. Not all drivers want to show to be unique or stand out, however. Part of the attraction to the RS, to me, is the wolf in sheeps clothing. Yes, its not a proper Q car given the TT's are marketed as sports cars, but simply put the lowest entry TT would struggle against a warm hatch, yet under the same body there could be an engine making it capable to trade blows with supercars. You'd struggle to decipher between them unless bordering on car bore territory.

That is subjectively either very attractive or very unattractive.

Fair point. I have seen some BMW Q cars which looked ordinary, but which then took off off like a stabbed rat, so heaven only knows what engine / work had been done to them.
The problem with many cars that are A. desirable, B. durable is that their numbers seem to increase to the point they don't `seem' so quite so unusual / special any more.

[Shnozz]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Fair point. I have seen some BMW Q cars which looked ordinary, but which then took off off like a stabbed rat, so heaven only knows what engine / work had been done to them.
The problem with many cars that are A. desirable, B. durable is that their numbers seem to increase to the point they don't `seem' so quite so unusual / special any more.

It's a fairly reciprocal point really isn't it?

Make want the masses want and then will be en masse (presuming the manufacturers have the means to produce).

With that comes popularity and car geeks like us usually like something a bit more unique.

The TT is affordable, looks pretty enough, is practical and has a range that goes from an economical diesel that you can still pose in, to a beat of an RS that will catch an unaware R8 out. It is the car that can do it all. So a huge swathe of folk buy it.

Porsches aren't dissimilar other than being (slightly) less affordable. Brilliant cars that are engineered to be able to withstand miles (lets not go into the IMS issues here..) and yet practical and usable. A Boxster has 2 enormous boots and can be either a GT car or a back road blaster. When you have sprogs, you can upgrade to a 911 that will take a couple of kids in comfort. People mention Porsche alongside Aston and our Italian friends and yet Porsche have the everyday use "supercar" (okay, questionable, but to many that is true) market sewn up. Which is why they are ten a penny....and why they make a lot of wonga.

[s m]

Pan Pan Pan said:

s m said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

The problem with cars that are (or are perceived by the buying public)to be desirable is that they usually sell in large numbers, unless manufacturing constraints, or a staggering price tag preclude this.
Not sure if it is a regional thing, but there do seem to be an extraordinary number of TT`s on the roads in the Essex area.
Of course another factor, is that if they are built to be durable, and looked after by their owners, they tend to last well, and the numbers on the road are consequently added to, by subsequent sales swelling the numbers seen still further.
The unfortunate term, every man and his dog has got one, seems to start creeping in.

I'll be honest, I'm a fairly avid car spotter/observer, but I rarely see a TT RS round here in Shropshire. There's only one I can think of that I see occasionally

Thank you for the reply, but I should have said TT`s of all types, there do seem to be a remarkable number on the roads around here. Which is testament to their popularity, its just that they don't seem so special as they did when first introduced, by dint of their sheer numbers.

Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Tuesday 26th April 17:02

Yes, plenty of TTs in my area, the really sporty ones stand out - having said that, the 'not standing out particularly' aspect appeals to me

Similar to the little 1 coupes - the 1Ms are very rare up here and the arches are a giveaway of course but most of the standard bodywork ones turn out to be 118d or 120d rather than a 125i/135i

[oddball1313]

av185 said:

oddball1313 said:

My 911 is brilliant on lovely summers day but if you want a car to go quick in on a wet stty English road in autumn then it's terrifying - if this is the feel thing you're bloody welcome to it. Why do you have to be on the point of losing control for a car to be enjoyable ?

You don t and if your car is terrifying in the wet sounds like the geo is out.

nope - laws of physics. RWD, very light at the front, heavy at the back and 295 tyres that tend to aquaplane

[s m]

WojaWabbit said:

Dickie Meadon of evo summed up the old TTRS perfectly...

"Perhaps the best way to describe the TT RS is to say it’s a high-performance car, but not a sporting car; it does the job of going fast, but derives little joy from the process."

Being a fan of involving 4WD cars, I'd like to see the new model changing this but I'm not holding out much hope.

Here's Roger from EVO

http://youtu.be/Jbn6P8UNth0

They managed 168 on the autobahn

[anonymous-user]

kmpowell said:

Tuvra said:

wormus said:

Or you can get a 3 year old, low mileage GTR for for the same money. Faster and less Bumder.

Surprised its taken this long to be fair

Incredible isn't it. I've been watching in anticipation, I was expecting it to be page 2 or 3.

This must be a Pistonheads' "Moron blunders in comparing new with used" record!

How rude! Many people have enough imagination to think of alternative ways to spend their £50k and don't simply opt for the first white, German box they see. If it were £30k it might be worth considering. Still an awful lot of cut and blowjobs though.

[ORD]

oddball1313 said:

av185 said:

oddball1313 said:

My 911 is brilliant on lovely summers day but if you want a car to go quick in on a wet stty English road in autumn then it's terrifying - if this is the feel thing you're bloody welcome to it. Why do you have to be on the point of losing control for a car to be enjoyable ?

You don t and if your car is terrifying in the wet sounds like the geo is out.

nope - laws of physics. RWD, very light at the front, heavy at the back and 295 tyres that tend to aquaplane

My 911 has 305 rears and is the best car in the wet that I have ever driven. The wet grip and braking are superb.

You may have st tyres.

Heavy at the back would help with traction. And it ain't light at the front once you start braking.

[bosshog]

Blimey. 400 b-h-p. That is a lot.

[DoubleD]

wormus said:

kmpowell said:

Tuvra said:

wormus said:

Or you can get a 3 year old, low mileage GTR for for the same money. Faster and less Bumder.

Surprised its taken this long to be fair

Incredible isn't it. I've been watching in anticipation, I was expecting it to be page 2 or 3.

This must be a Pistonheads' "Moron blunders in comparing new with used" record!

How rude! Many people have enough imagination to think of alternative ways to spend their £50k and don't simply opt for the first white, German box they see. If it were £30k it might be worth considering. Still an awful lot of cut and blowjobs though.

£30k ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[ORD]

bosshog said:

Blimey. 400 b-h-p. That is a lot.

Nah, Bruv. It needs a remap to 500, innit. Gotta have the torques, too.

400bhp is borderline mental for actually using the power, I agree. But power figures are for the pub these days, not for driving.

[oddball1313]

ORD said:

oddball1313 said:

av185 said:

oddball1313 said:

My 911 is brilliant on lovely summers day but if you want a car to go quick in on a wet stty English road in autumn then it's terrifying - if this is the feel thing you're bloody welcome to it. Why do you have to be on the point of losing control for a car to be enjoyable ?

You don t and if your car is terrifying in the wet sounds like the geo is out.

nope - laws of physics. RWD, very light at the front, heavy at the back and 295 tyres that tend to aquaplane

My 911 has 305 rears and is the best car in the wet that I have ever driven. The wet grip and braking are superb.

You may have st tyres.

Heavy at the back would help with traction. And it ain't light at the front once you start braking.

Pirella P Zeros as fitted by the factory - maybe I drive faster and push it harder than you?

[Aphex]

Heres an older video of the rs3 making some lovely noises: https://youtu.be/1HayoASR-54?t=1m

What an engine

[ORD]

oddball1313 said:

Pirella P Zeros as fitted by the factory - maybe I drive faster and push it harder than you?

Pirellis are st. Proper st, especially in the wet.

If you drive faster than me, you're mental. (Isn't that what everyone thinks about how they drive? )

Edited by ORD on Tuesday 26th April 21:12

[WojaWabbit]

s m said:

WojaWabbit said:

Dickie Meadon of evo summed up the old TTRS perfectly...

"Perhaps the best way to describe the TT RS is to say it’s a high-performance car, but not a sporting car; it does the job of going fast, but derives little joy from the process."

Being a fan of involving 4WD cars, I'd like to see the new model changing this but I'm not holding out much hope.

Here's Roger from EVO

http://youtu.be/Jbn6P8UNth0

They managed 168 on the autobahn

Thanks. That reaffirms my earlier comment.

"Handling is efficient, rather than dynamic"

I'm not saying it's bad, it's just not what I want from a sports car. I'd gladly sacrifice outright pace for increased involvement. Audi clearly know their market though and there are thousands who don't expect dynamic handling, they expect rocketship pace, all weather ability and a nice interior and Audi's RS range fits the bill perfectly. I applaud that.

[Meridius]

Aphex said:

Heres an older video of the rs3 making some lovely noises: https://youtu.be/1HayoASR-54?t=1m

What an engine

Sounds great and its really a very capable engine, this ones at 700hp or so

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVWFIx8BTt8

and will even do 1000hp if you want it to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asXKGo7nm_Y

[oddball1313]

I agree to a point on the Pirelli's but the supply of n rated tyres when i needed to new set was none existent - michelin pilot supersports were on a 3-4 month delivery and my rears were on the cusp of illegal. The pirelli's are fine in the dry but not great in the wet, in fairness the TTRS lost a fair amount of its grip when it had a set on briefly - i just put a concerted effort in to destroy them as fast as possible to get some decent rubber on again. Going off thread why did Bridgestone never get the SO2 produced in 19/20", they were unbelievable tyres, gripped like st to fur whatever the weather?

[Kawasicki]

Shnozz said:

It's a fair cop and often the complaint of Porsches - especially given the designs have not been too far adrift in aesthetics outside of the eye of a car person.

The reality is, if you want leftfield, you probably won't buy one. Not all drivers want to show to be unique or stand out, however. Part of the attraction to the RS, to me, is the wolf in sheeps clothing. Yes, its not a proper Q car given the TT's are marketed as sports cars, but simply put the lowest entry TT would struggle against a warm hatch, yet under the same body there could be an engine making it capable to trade blows with supercars. You'd struggle to decipher between them unless bordering on car bore territory.

That is subjectively either very attractive or very unattractive.

Even the 1.8 TT gets to 60 mph in the 6 to 7 second range, and hits 150mph. Is that warm hatch performance?