RE: New Audi TT RS revealed

[s m]

Kawasicki said:

Even the 1.8 TT gets to 60 mph in the 6 to 7 second range, and hits 150mph. Is that warm hatch performance?

Easy prey to a 320d these days some would say

[cerb4.5lee]

ORD said:

bosshog said:

Blimey. 400 b-h-p. That is a lot.

Nah, Bruv. It needs a remap to 500, innit. Gotta have the torques, too.

400bhp is borderline mental for actually using the power, I agree. But power figures are for the pub these days, not for driving.

You always say power figures are for the pub these days, yet my Cerbera had 400bhp and that was built back in 1998 and my M3 had 400bhp when built in 2007 and I never had a problem enjoying the performance of either, so surely 400bhp is pretty common place nowadays for a half decent performance car I would like to think.

Agree regards the torques though and a cheeky remap never hurts.

The TT RS has always been a bit of a giant slayer and I really admire it for that.

[Ollieb7]

Lost interest at auto only. Only reason i bother to comment in the vain hope that they will release a manual.

[ORD]

cerb4.5lee said:

You always say power figures are for the pub these days, yet my Cerbera had 400bhp and that was built back in 1998 and my M3 had 400bhp when built in 2007 and I never had a problem enjoying the performance of either, so surely 400bhp is pretty common place nowadays for a half decent performance car I would like to think.

Agree regards the torques though and a cheeky remap never hurts.

The TT RS has always been a bit of a giant slayer and I really admire it for that.

That's sort of my point. 400bhp or so is more than enough grunt for the road. The pub nonsense that I am talking about is the new M4 etc and suggestions that they would be improved by a remap to 600bhp or whatever. The same goes for people thinking that a hatchback with 300bhp needs more power (rather than better steering feel or a decent chassis).

[Leo-RS]

Audi quote 0-100km/h (0-62mph) in 3.7secs for the European market. For the UK and US markets, the benchmark of course is 0-60mph and the difference between the 0-62 and 0-60 elements is usually 2/10 of a second in this range.

Factor in Audi are conservative with their acceleration figures then this car will be doing 0-60mph in 3.3secs. With a tune, I suspect it will dip into the 2sec range. The first generation TTRS managed 3.7 0-60mph in independent tests standard and low 3secs when tuned, it was noted by the US car magazine 'Car&Driver' that it was one of the hardest launching cars they had ever tested, it pulled more G on launch than Porsche's 911 Turbo S and Nissan's R35 GTR.

http://www.bimmerboost.com/images/imported/2011/06...

Audi quote 0-100km/h in 3.2 for their new R8. It's been tested at 0-100km/h in 2.8 and 0-60 in 2.6

http://fastestlaps.com/models/audi-r8-plus

For £50k, nothing else will go quicker, it's got that part of the market easily. I'm not sure if I like this new version though, the cockpit and steering wheel are special but I'm not sure on the rest of it, front end looks okay, side profile, wheels, and rear, not so sure. I'll need to see one in a nice colour combo and up close to make a better decision.

Edited by Leo-RS on Wednesday 27th April 08:43

[ORD]

3.3 seconds? Not with those power figures. I think Audi's numbers look about right. It will be fast to 30 but then nothing special.

[Leo-RS]

I think you'll be surprised, the last one tested at 3.6 0-60mph with an official Audi 4.1 0-100km/h time

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2012-audi-tt-r...

More to life than 0-60 though and as you say, its the launch that is responsible for that time, 30-100mph wont be as impressive.

[MrBarry123]

ORD said:

3.3 seconds? Not with those power figures. I think Audi's numbers look about right. It will be fast to 30 but then nothing special.

Oh do please shut up.

You can't rubbish everything anyone says regarding this car just because you don't like VAG products.

The old TT RS Plus was measured at 0-60mph in 3.6 seconds and this one will go quicker.

[ZX10R NIN]

He does like VAG products he has a Porsche.

[kambites]

It's got 300bhp/tonne, an automatic gearbox and 4wd; 0-60 in 3.3 seconds entirely plausible to me.

[bosshog]

Anything that is sub 10s from 0-100 is super duper quick. IMO once you are into this territory then what separates the cars are handling, steering feel, sound track, it purpose (ie fun/daily) and personal desire/looks. This car will be perfect for some people and a complete miss for others depending on that combo.
But lets get something straight - I'm loving the fact all new cars these days have more than enough power than you'll ever need on the road - personally I'm hoping the next generation after this move to NA ->Turbo and big power increase will all be about loosing weight, better handling and bring the life back into the steering feel - how else are they going to differentiate themselves from each other as more power will be very diminishing returns.

[kambites]

bosshog said:

I'm loving the fact all new cars these days have more than enough power than you'll ever need on the road

Again this is a deeply personal thing, and perhaps the single biggest divide between those who will like this car and those who wont - I find cars with more power and grip than you can reasonably exploit to be decidedly boring.

Unfortunately with all of the mainstream manufacturers chasing ring lap times and pub bragging rights with their "drivers' cars", people like me have increasing little to choose from.

Edited by kambites on Wednesday 27th April 09:59

[bosshog]

kambites said:

Again this is a deeply personal thing, and perhaps the single biggest divide between those who will like this car and those who wont - I find cars with more power and grip than you can reasonably exploit to be decidedly boring.

Unfortunately with all of the mainstream manufacturers chasing ring lap times and pub bragging rights with their "drivers' cars", people like me have increasing little to choose from.

Edited by kambites on Wednesday 27th April 09:59

Yes its personal definitely. All I really meant is that you don't really need MORE power, as I find (for me ) once you get to the 350/400 mark (ie sub 10s) more power doesn't add any more fun and if anything, which you hint to, it actually detracts from the driving experience. This for example is why I don't want to add a super charger to my Elise as it will take the fun out of ringing its neck and revving too the moon on my countryside hoons. On track days I could argue the same actually.

[Tuvra]

MrBarry123 said:

ORD said:

3.3 seconds? Not with those power figures. I think Audi's numbers look about right. It will be fast to 30 but then nothing special.

Oh do please shut up.

You can't rubbish everything anyone says regarding this car just because you don't like VAG products.

The old TT RS Plus was measured at 0-60mph in 3.6 seconds and this one will go quicker.

I agree.

It's the same thing when arguing against the Golf R and its performance, my claims of matching V8 M3's, RS5's, 5.0 XKR's in a remapped R have all been rubbished in the past simply because the numbers don't add up, despite being nailed to all of them well into triple digits. As for Cayman's etc, in a straight line it eats them for breakfast - literally, but again, I must be lying because the figures don't add up, despite what happens (for what ever reason) in the real world

I really want one of these TT's

[HighwayStar]

WojaWabbit said:

s m said:

WojaWabbit said:

Dickie Meadon of evo summed up the old TTRS perfectly...

"Perhaps the best way to describe the TT RS is to say it’s a high-performance car, but not a sporting car; it does the job of going fast, but derives little joy from the process."

Being a fan of involving 4WD cars, I'd like to see the new model changing this but I'm not holding out much hope.

Here's Roger from EVO

http://youtu.be/Jbn6P8UNth0

They managed 168 on the autobahn

Thanks. That reaffirms my earlier comment.

"Handling is efficient, rather than dynamic"

I'm not saying it's bad, it's just not what I want from a sports car. I'd gladly sacrifice outright pace for increased involvement. Audi clearly know their market though and there are thousands who don't expect dynamic handling, they expect rocketship pace, all weather ability and a nice interior and Audi's RS range fits the bill perfectly. I applaud that.

I currently have a TTS, I thought many times about upgrading to the RS but every time I took one for a test drive I came away unconvinced. Yes, the engine is strong and sounded amazing. It had real soul. Sadly that just didn't permeate through the who car. Of course it was properly fast but to me it was more of what the TTS gave me. Fast, effective but uninvolving.

I think there are 2 types of enthusiasts. Those who like the numbers, who just want to go as fast as possible, as easily and effectively as a car will let them. Knowing the can blow most things in to the weeds is part of their fun.

The others, as said above will happily trade outright speed, progress for more feel and involvement.

I'll always have a soft spot for the TT. It is a good car, good at what it does and offers a fair chunk of practicality. it'll hold a fair bit of clobber and I've taken plenty of crap to the tip in it. The new RS does look interesting, the interior fantastic and the performance hugely impressive but... I can take or leave the techie interior, the virtual cockpit. Fast and effective isn't enough for me.

So, I'm picking up a previously enjoyed Cayman S in 3 days time. My TTS felt faster but the test drive delivered all the drama, feel and involvement I was looking for.

At the end of the day, it call comes down to our wants, needs and what fires our emotions. There's no right or wrong unless you decide you've bought the wrong car.

[JockySteer]

wormus said:

Or you can get a 3 year old, low mileage GTR for for the same money. Faster and less Bumder.

And infinitely more expensive to run.. not comparable.

[JockySteer]

MrBarry123 said:

ORD said:

3.3 seconds? Not with those power figures. I think Audi's numbers look about right. It will be fast to 30 but then nothing special.

Oh do please shut up.

You can't rubbish everything anyone says regarding this car just because you don't like VAG products.

The old TT RS Plus was measured at 0-60mph in 3.6 seconds and this one will go quicker.

I'm surprised it took this many pages for someone to tell him to shut up.

'Nothing special' - So how 'special' is a Carrera S then, that won't have a hope in hell of keeping up for pure acceleration nor on a back road?

[urquattroGus]

911's are common as muck around here. (Essex)

[av185]

urquattroGus said:

911's are common as muck around here. (Essex)

Proper ones aren' t.

[Burwood]

MrBarry123 said:

ORD said:

3.3 seconds? Not with those power figures. I think Audi's numbers look about right. It will be fast to 30 but then nothing special.

Oh do please shut up.

You can't rubbish everything anyone says regarding this car just because you don't like VAG products.

The old TT RS Plus was measured at 0-60mph in 3.6 seconds and this one will go quicker.