RE: New Audi TT RS revealed
Discussion
ORD said:
I am not sure I really understand the market for this car.
(1) Utterly pointlessly fast. It wont attract anyone but people who like fast cars.
(2) People who like fast cars would normally like a car that is fun to drive. This is an AWD turbo car with a heavy engine hanging out over the front wheels, numb steering and a tendency to understeer at all speeds (I would expect).
(3) It has a very girly image, so wont attract the kind of poser that normally buys fast but dull cars (i.e. other fast Audis).
+1(1) Utterly pointlessly fast. It wont attract anyone but people who like fast cars.
(2) People who like fast cars would normally like a car that is fun to drive. This is an AWD turbo car with a heavy engine hanging out over the front wheels, numb steering and a tendency to understeer at all speeds (I would expect).
(3) It has a very girly image, so wont attract the kind of poser that normally buys fast but dull cars (i.e. other fast Audis).
Essentially just a reasonably quick in a straight line only but as usual 'Aldi' exceedingly dull hairdressers car.
EnglishTony said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
I have seen TT`s with an add on kit to try to make it `look' like an R8, Why would anyone want to desecrate a TT by doing this????
Desecrate? Not that the R8 is a good looker mind.
I wonder what the drive away price will be once we get some real world options added. Something tells me this will not be a cheap car, as indeed so many manufacturers seem to be trying to move up the value chain.
Trying to compare this to a porsche or an m car will be interesting too. Not just because of the price point, but also in pure performance terms. I'm looking forward to seeing the outcome on a few of those tests.
This car on its own though? I must admit, I'm not really loving it. I always had the feeling they were hairdressers cars. Maybe more as an object to look at, than an enthusiasts fast car to take out for a blast in the sense of "just because I can".
Trying to compare this to a porsche or an m car will be interesting too. Not just because of the price point, but also in pure performance terms. I'm looking forward to seeing the outcome on a few of those tests.
This car on its own though? I must admit, I'm not really loving it. I always had the feeling they were hairdressers cars. Maybe more as an object to look at, than an enthusiasts fast car to take out for a blast in the sense of "just because I can".
Vocht said:
Ved said:
Aside from the silver stuff all over it that's a good looking car.
I agree, black out the silvery bits and I think it's a great looking car.
Although not cheap and align with some very tasty* competition, this would still make a fantastic daily.
X5TUU said:
I've been waiting for this announcement to get my current TTRS lined up for a trade-up! Love the looks and if it drives half as well as the current RS I'm sold 
So out of curiosity, what do you do with your car?I've met 2 people with TTS' and they've both been the sort of people to talk about numbers but never do a launch or break 3 figures. Always seemed like such a weird bunch it appealed to, to me.
Some further detailed info, shows that Audi are at least trying
Somewhere said:
Lighter and stronger than ever before: the 2.5 TFSI engine
The five-cylinder engine is a modern classic. A jury of international motor journalists has voted the 2.5 TFSI “Engine of the Year” six times in a row. Now Audi has again added to this and is using a completely newly developed turbo engine in the TT RS. It achieves a good 17 percent more performance from the unchanged 2,480 cc capacity – 294 kW (400 hp) means a specific value of 161.3 hp per liter. The maximum torque of 480 Nm (354.0 lb-ft) is available between 1,700 revs and remains constant up to 5,850 rpm. This means that the new Audi TT RS Coupé accelerates from 0 to 100 km/h (0 to 62.1 mph) in 3.7 seconds, the Roadster takes 3.9 seconds. The top speed is regulated at 250 km/h (155.3 mph) as standard; upon request Audi will increase the top speed to 280 km/h (174.0 mph). At less than 50 centimeters (19.7 in) in length, the 2.5 TFSI engine is extremely compact and is 26 kg (57.3 lb) lighter than the previous model. Its crankcase is made of aluminum, which alone saves 18 kg (39.7 lb). The overall weight of the new TT RS and its axle load distribution benefit significantly from this. Elaborate measures reduce internal friction while at the same time increasing power output. The cylinder liners are plasma- coated; the crankshaft main bearings have been made 6 mm (0.2 in) thinner.
The crankshaft is hollow bored and is therefore 1 kg (2.2 lb) lighter; the aluminum pistons integrate channels for cooling oil. In the short warm-up phase after a cold start, the switchable water pump does not circulate the coolant in the cylinder head – the 2.5 TFSI engine reaches its operating temperature more quickly. This lowers the coefficient of friction and reduces fuel consumption. The gas exchange of the five-cylinder engine is designed for high throughput. The large turbocharger compresses the intake air with up to 1.35 bar of pressure. The intercooler with its efficiency level of 80 percent reduces the temperature for the highest possible oxygen percentage. Intake and exhaust camshafts can be adjusted as required. On the exhaust side, the Audi valvelift system (AVS) changes the duration of valve opening depending on the throttle and engine speed at two levels – for moderate use at low and partial throttle as well as slower throttle response and increased tractive power at full throttle. For better mixture preparation, the new 2.5 TFSI engine works with a dual injection system. It provides the option of injecting fuel into the inlet manifold as well as directly into the combustion chamber. The angle, duration and type of injection can be variably optimized for each engine operation point. The firing interval is 144 degrees: Based on the 1-2-4-5-3 firing order, cylinders positioned directly beside each other and far away from each other fire in alternation. This results in a very special rhythm and character. The uneven number of cylinders results in harmonic frequencies that accompany the basic tone. The engine control unit also contributes to the unmistakable sound. At higher throttle, the flaps in the exhaust system open for an even fuller sound. The driver can control the exhaust flap both with the standard RS exhaust system and with the optional RS sport exhaust system with black tailpipe trims using the sound button on the center console. Lightning speed: the seven-speed dual-clutch transmission The seven-speed S tronic with lightning-speed shifting is standard in the new Audi TT RS models. The dual-clutch transmission impresses with high efficiency and a large spread – its lower gears are short and the seventh gear has a long transmission ratio to reduce consumption. A plate heat exchanger controls the temperature of the transmission oil; a new angle drive to the propeller shaft reduces the weight by about two kilograms (4.4 lb).
The driver controls the seven-speed S tronic with the selector lever and the standard shift paddles on the sport leather steering wheel. When starting, a launch control system manages the maximum acceleration with minimum tire slip. Agile handling and superior stability: the quattro drive The new TT RS uses quattro permanent all-wheel drive. The electro-hydraulic multi-plate clutch is compact and light – its position at the end of the propeller shaft benefits the axle load distribution. The new quattro driving dynamics software continuously calculates the torque sent to the rear suspension. In comparison with the previous model, this is done more precisely, as the regulation of the driving status can be determined more exactly. As a result, the TT RS is even more agile. The software records the rear axle torque and, based on this, calculates the electricity that controls the electronically controlled oil pump. The resulting hydraulic pressure presses the plates together with up to 40 bar and thus transfers the torque to the rear axle. If the new TT RS is cornering at high speed, the clutch can partially send the drive forces to the rear axle already when cornering. During load changes, the distribution of torque ensures that the TT RS turns precisely into the corner. Even when drifting on a surface with a low coefficient of friction, it guarantees high control and reliability. In the limit zone, the quattro drive operates in close tandem with wheel- selective torque control, an intelligent software feature of the Electronic Stabilization Control (ESC). It gently brakes the inside wheels, making handling even more fluid and stable. For controlled drifts, the ESC offers an RS-specifically tuned sport setting. It can also be fully turned off at a switch. The electronic management of the multi-plate clutch is integrated into the Audi drive select driving dynamics system for the first time in the TT RS. The modes available are comfort, auto, dynamic and individual. They influence the quattro drive, the seven-speed S tronic, the steering, the engine characteristic and the exhaust flaps. In dynamic mode, the multi-plate clutch sends the forces to the rear axle earlier and to a greater degree. How the aforementioned technical components work can be freely configured in the individual driving program.
The five-cylinder engine is a modern classic. A jury of international motor journalists has voted the 2.5 TFSI “Engine of the Year” six times in a row. Now Audi has again added to this and is using a completely newly developed turbo engine in the TT RS. It achieves a good 17 percent more performance from the unchanged 2,480 cc capacity – 294 kW (400 hp) means a specific value of 161.3 hp per liter. The maximum torque of 480 Nm (354.0 lb-ft) is available between 1,700 revs and remains constant up to 5,850 rpm. This means that the new Audi TT RS Coupé accelerates from 0 to 100 km/h (0 to 62.1 mph) in 3.7 seconds, the Roadster takes 3.9 seconds. The top speed is regulated at 250 km/h (155.3 mph) as standard; upon request Audi will increase the top speed to 280 km/h (174.0 mph). At less than 50 centimeters (19.7 in) in length, the 2.5 TFSI engine is extremely compact and is 26 kg (57.3 lb) lighter than the previous model. Its crankcase is made of aluminum, which alone saves 18 kg (39.7 lb). The overall weight of the new TT RS and its axle load distribution benefit significantly from this. Elaborate measures reduce internal friction while at the same time increasing power output. The cylinder liners are plasma- coated; the crankshaft main bearings have been made 6 mm (0.2 in) thinner.
The crankshaft is hollow bored and is therefore 1 kg (2.2 lb) lighter; the aluminum pistons integrate channels for cooling oil. In the short warm-up phase after a cold start, the switchable water pump does not circulate the coolant in the cylinder head – the 2.5 TFSI engine reaches its operating temperature more quickly. This lowers the coefficient of friction and reduces fuel consumption. The gas exchange of the five-cylinder engine is designed for high throughput. The large turbocharger compresses the intake air with up to 1.35 bar of pressure. The intercooler with its efficiency level of 80 percent reduces the temperature for the highest possible oxygen percentage. Intake and exhaust camshafts can be adjusted as required. On the exhaust side, the Audi valvelift system (AVS) changes the duration of valve opening depending on the throttle and engine speed at two levels – for moderate use at low and partial throttle as well as slower throttle response and increased tractive power at full throttle. For better mixture preparation, the new 2.5 TFSI engine works with a dual injection system. It provides the option of injecting fuel into the inlet manifold as well as directly into the combustion chamber. The angle, duration and type of injection can be variably optimized for each engine operation point. The firing interval is 144 degrees: Based on the 1-2-4-5-3 firing order, cylinders positioned directly beside each other and far away from each other fire in alternation. This results in a very special rhythm and character. The uneven number of cylinders results in harmonic frequencies that accompany the basic tone. The engine control unit also contributes to the unmistakable sound. At higher throttle, the flaps in the exhaust system open for an even fuller sound. The driver can control the exhaust flap both with the standard RS exhaust system and with the optional RS sport exhaust system with black tailpipe trims using the sound button on the center console. Lightning speed: the seven-speed dual-clutch transmission The seven-speed S tronic with lightning-speed shifting is standard in the new Audi TT RS models. The dual-clutch transmission impresses with high efficiency and a large spread – its lower gears are short and the seventh gear has a long transmission ratio to reduce consumption. A plate heat exchanger controls the temperature of the transmission oil; a new angle drive to the propeller shaft reduces the weight by about two kilograms (4.4 lb).
The driver controls the seven-speed S tronic with the selector lever and the standard shift paddles on the sport leather steering wheel. When starting, a launch control system manages the maximum acceleration with minimum tire slip. Agile handling and superior stability: the quattro drive The new TT RS uses quattro permanent all-wheel drive. The electro-hydraulic multi-plate clutch is compact and light – its position at the end of the propeller shaft benefits the axle load distribution. The new quattro driving dynamics software continuously calculates the torque sent to the rear suspension. In comparison with the previous model, this is done more precisely, as the regulation of the driving status can be determined more exactly. As a result, the TT RS is even more agile. The software records the rear axle torque and, based on this, calculates the electricity that controls the electronically controlled oil pump. The resulting hydraulic pressure presses the plates together with up to 40 bar and thus transfers the torque to the rear axle. If the new TT RS is cornering at high speed, the clutch can partially send the drive forces to the rear axle already when cornering. During load changes, the distribution of torque ensures that the TT RS turns precisely into the corner. Even when drifting on a surface with a low coefficient of friction, it guarantees high control and reliability. In the limit zone, the quattro drive operates in close tandem with wheel- selective torque control, an intelligent software feature of the Electronic Stabilization Control (ESC). It gently brakes the inside wheels, making handling even more fluid and stable. For controlled drifts, the ESC offers an RS-specifically tuned sport setting. It can also be fully turned off at a switch. The electronic management of the multi-plate clutch is integrated into the Audi drive select driving dynamics system for the first time in the TT RS. The modes available are comfort, auto, dynamic and individual. They influence the quattro drive, the seven-speed S tronic, the steering, the engine characteristic and the exhaust flaps. In dynamic mode, the multi-plate clutch sends the forces to the rear axle earlier and to a greater degree. How the aforementioned technical components work can be freely configured in the individual driving program.
AshBurrows said:
X5TUU said:
I've been waiting for this announcement to get my current TTRS lined up for a trade-up! Love the looks and if it drives half as well as the current RS I'm sold
So out of curiosity, what do you do with your car?I've met 2 people with TTS' and they've both been the sort of people to talk about numbers but never do a launch or break 3 figures. Always seemed like such a weird bunch it appealed to, to me.
AshBurrows said:
X5TUU said:
I've been waiting for this announcement to get my current TTRS lined up for a trade-up! Love the looks and if it drives half as well as the current RS I'm sold
So out of curiosity, what do you do with your car?I've met 2 people with TTS' and they've both been the sort of people to talk about numbers but never do a launch or break 3 figures. Always seemed like such a weird bunch it appealed to, to me.
Driven very quickly, don't worry about that.
And could keep up with the Caterhams around Cadwell Park. They are very very quick cars
Pan Pan Pan said:
Whilst the TT is not quite my cup of tea as far as cars go, it is a good looking car, and I can remember the fuss that was made, when the first one was introduced, but having seen a bloke in a Tesco car park with R8 `kit' on his TT, it seemed to make it look for all the world like a bit of a clowns car, and not the clever design of the standard TT body shape.
Modified TTs are, on the whole, vile. I'm not sure I like the look of the things to start off with though. The R8 just looks like a modified TT in any case.There's no doubt that both cars are well built and perform well. They are just too obviously the Audi look nailed inexpertly on an innocent sports car. The same applies to Bugatti co-incidently.
Back on topic, would I buy a TT RS? No, but as I'm not the target market for it Audi won't loose any sleep about that.
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