Badly driven white Audis

Badly driven white Audis

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Phil Dicky

7,162 posts

262 months

Thursday 28th April 2016
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Type R Tom said:
J4CKO said:
Yes, I saw that, not helpful is it, however, perhaps the question should be asked, even if it is a little indelicate, why are so many young Asian men, in urban areas having high speed, sometimes fatal crashes in high performance cars ?

Every time race is mentioned people get shouted down as racist so potential problems get brushed under the carpet, a young man has died, and I know it has long been the preserve of young men to have spectacular accidents and injure or kill themselves or others, but there does seem to be a growing trend, its not Black, White, Chinese or Polish men, it is Asian guys and given the relative percentages, it seems an unusually high incidence.

I remember trying to get back from Manchester after a concert, trying to cross Bury New Road and there was a Gallardo racing with a Bentley Continental at ridiculous speeds despite lots of (mainly drunk) people milling about, they were followed by three or four other nice cars, all driven by young Asian guys, they went past a few times. Go to Deansgate in Manchester on any given evening and you see similar.

Trouble is, people throw in racial slurs, jealousy and racism, any point is lost, but there does seem to be a bit of an issue, I dont hate anyone, just dont like seeing death and injury, it is a waste, that is someone's son, brother, mate, uncle etc, thankfully he dint take anyone else out and perhaps with a bit of education it could be avoided.

I suppose the young white lads tend to be drinking in a pub or club and waste all their money on beer (generalisation) which isnt an issue if you are forbidden from drinking.

Sorry if that is all a bit uncomfortable but I hope my point comes across how I intend it to.
Seat belt usage is another issue with some communities. I'd be willing to bet these lads weren't wearing them.
That was my thought, as I didn't think the damage to the Audi looked so bad, granted you can't see the drivers side but the cell looked intact. But to be honest that's an assumption on viewing poor photos .

heebeegeetee

28,590 posts

247 months

Thursday 28th April 2016
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Adam Ansel said:
Dear god that video (the first in your list) is so typical of how Audis (and so many BMWs) are driven in Birmingham.

Maximum lane changing, maximum acceleration, **MAXIMUM** braking, zero perception, zero progress. I've just checked and it's 6.4 miles from start to finish on that vid, yet despite having his brake lights on almost all the time, and having to produce the acceleration to enable that much braking, he's got precisely nowhere.

You can see them ever rush hour - they stand out because of the lane changing and braking, yet odds are, having maintained a steady speed in my smart car and not changed lanes, 10 mins later I'm ahead of them.

I have come to consider that German cars brake one hell of a lot, and must have special brake light bulbs shirley. I've even seen the same on the autobahns, German cars doing most braking.

I'm the exception, natch. biggrin

That vid though is so typical it's almost frightening. smile

X5TUU

11,907 posts

186 months

Thursday 28th April 2016
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Adam Ansel said:


I have a friend with an Audi and he parks it with utter contempt for other parked cars and with scant reference to the marked bays.
I have a good friend with an R8 that usually parks across 4bays, but he also buys 4 tickets for the bays, so that noone can open their door into his near-concours motor ... to be fair he has never been ticketed as the revenue is still correct for the parking facility - there has been some interesting bystander footage on his front and rear dash cams (that are highlighted in the windows to avoid purposeful damage) when people dont realise he's actully paid the required amount!

X5TUU

11,907 posts

186 months

Thursday 28th April 2016
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X5TUU said:
Adam Ansel said:


I have a friend with an Audi and he parks it with utter contempt for other parked cars and with scant reference to the marked bays.
I have a good friend with an R8 that usually parks across 4bays, but he also buys 4 tickets for the bays, so that noone can open their door into his near-concours motor ... to be fair he has never been ticketed as the revenue is still correct for the parking facility - there has been some interesting bystander footage on his front and rear dash cams (that are highlighted in the windows to avoid purposeful damage) when people dont realise he's actully paid the required amount!
it isnt white though, so may not count! smile

LordHaveMurci

12,034 posts

168 months

Thursday 28th April 2016
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heebeegeetee said:
Dear god that video (the first in your list) is so typical of how Audis (and so many BMWs) are driven in Birmingham.

Maximum lane changing, maximum acceleration, **MAXIMUM** braking, zero perception, zero progress. I've just checked and it's 6.4 miles from start to finish on that vid, yet despite having his brake lights on almost all the time, and having to produce the acceleration to enable that much braking, he's got precisely nowhere.

You can see them ever rush hour - they stand out because of the lane changing and braking, yet odds are, having maintained a steady speed in my smart car and not changed lanes, 10 mins later I'm ahead of them.

I have come to consider that German cars brake one hell of a lot, and must have special brake light bulbs shirley. I've even seen the same on the autobahns, German cars doing most braking.

I'm the exception, natch. biggrin


That vid though is so typical it's almost frightening. smile
Like the knob in the A6 Avant last night who was that arrogant he even jumped a red light in front of a Police car stopped at the lights!

Edited by LordHaveMurci on Thursday 28th April 13:34


Edited by LordHaveMurci on Thursday 28th April 13:35

av185

18,432 posts

126 months

Thursday 28th April 2016
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heebeegeetee said:
Dear god that video (the first in your list) is so typical of how Audis (and so many BMWs) are driven

That vid though is so typical it's almost frightening. smile
The moronic driving in that first clip is so bad it should be handed over to Plod to take action before someone is killed.

krarkol

109 posts

109 months

Thursday 28th April 2016
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J4CKO said:
Yes, I saw that, not helpful is it, however, perhaps the question should be asked, even if it is a little indelicate, why are so many young Asian men, in urban areas having high speed, sometimes fatal crashes in high performance cars ?

Every time race is mentioned people get shouted down as racist so potential problems get brushed under the carpet, a young man has died, and I know it has long been the preserve of young men to have spectacular accidents and injure or kill themselves or others, but there does seem to be a growing trend, its not Black, White, Chinese or Polish men, it is Asian guys and given the relative percentages, it seems an unusually high incidence.

I remember trying to get back from Manchester after a concert, trying to cross Bury New Road and there was a Gallardo racing with a Bentley Continental at ridiculous speeds despite lots of (mainly drunk) people milling about, they were followed by three or four other nice cars, all driven by young Asian guys, they went past a few times. Go to Deansgate in Manchester on any given evening and you see similar.

Trouble is, people throw in racial slurs, jealousy and racism, any point is lost, but there does seem to be a bit of an issue, I dont hate anyone, just dont like seeing death and injury, it is a waste, that is someone's son, brother, mate, uncle etc, thankfully he dint take anyone else out and perhaps with a bit of education it could be avoided.

I suppose the young white lads tend to be drinking in a pub or club and waste all their money on beer (generalisation) which isnt an issue if you are forbidden from drinking.

Sorry if that is all a bit uncomfortable but I hope my point comes across how I intend it to.
I completely agree with this.

It's an observation, not racism.

Young white males have the stereotype that they are going to crash either their cheap Saxo or their financed 1.2 Polo, full of their mates, into a tree on a country road. Due to driving to fast for the conditions and not knowing how to react when things go wrong.
Young Asian males have the stereotype of renting expensive cars and then doing laps of a town/city centre with the roof down, usually putting their foot down and putting on a bit of a display. Sometimes this goes horribly wrong when they lose control of a powerful vehicle, because again, they don't know how to react when things go pear shaped.

It's not racist to point out that both races have similar flaws, but have different methods of going about them.


myvision

1,931 posts

135 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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xRIEx

8,180 posts

147 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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Adam Ansel said:
It is official: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2297766/Wo...
"with Audi drivers highlighted as the worst by brand"

Three R8 convertibles, parked parallel to each other, with a chap in a red jacket and an Audi umbrella standing in front of them - I'm guessing that's a display, possibly even at an Audi dealer. Not really an example of contemptuousness in the real world.

Janesy B

2,625 posts

185 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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myvision said:
Shame they can't all club together to sort out some IAM lessons or a track day for all the young Asian men that like to show off by racing about in town centres.

Another example of how they fail to control their children.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-32...

Blakewater

4,303 posts

156 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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xRIEx said:
Adam Ansel said:
It is official: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2297766/Wo...
"with Audi drivers highlighted as the worst by brand"

Three R8 convertibles, parked parallel to each other, with a chap in a red jacket and an Audi umbrella standing in front of them - I'm guessing that's a display, possibly even at an Audi dealer. Not really an example of contemptuousness in the real world.
kid dynamite from Birmingham, commenting on the Daily Fail article, says,

"I was once in a restaurant car park and spaces were virtually non existent as it was so busy , I'd drove road and road about 5 times looking for one and noticed a BMW parked perfectly in the middle of 2 spaces ! when I finally managed to park in a nearby side street I returned to the car park and booted the bmws wing mirror off as I passed it on my way into the restaurant ! Job done"

It's scum like him who force people to park taking up more than one pay to try and protect their cars because people like him have no respect for other people's high value property.

AH33

2,066 posts

134 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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myvision said:
I didn't bother.

Gary29

4,131 posts

98 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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Adam Ansel said:
It is a perfect storm.

1) Audis have huge understeer, woolly controls and lots of electronic aids. They require minimum driving skills, so that is what they get.

2) People, deludedly, think that a leased silver Audi diesel is going to impress the neighbours who they hate. These really are the cars of the jumped up nouveau riche.

3) VAG have put huge resources (and cheating) into getting low official CO2 figures. So Audis have good BIK figures compared with similar cars, such as Mondeos.

4) VAG have put together amazing lease deals. Companies and individuals only look at the monthly payments. So many people who could never, in the real world, afford a brand new Audi A6 are driving round in one. This could end very badly as all the leases finish and the cars have far lower residual value than predicted (likely).

Of course educated, informed people can see straight through all this. Hence the derision afforded to
This bit concerns me, it's probably fairly simple but it's Friday afternoon and my brain hasn't turned up today.

Say a car is worth £30K brand new, at the end of a 3 year lease (for example) this car is only worth £10K, the lease holder has paid £10K to lease it (circa £300/month) and gives it back, who makes up the £10K difference???

LordHaveMurci

12,034 posts

168 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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Gary29 said:
This bit concerns me, it's probably fairly simple but it's Friday afternoon and my brain hasn't turned up today.

Say a car is worth £30K brand new, at the end of a 3 year lease (for example) this car is only worth £10K, the lease holder has paid £10K to lease it (circa £300/month) and gives it back, who makes up the £10K difference???
Nobody, the leasing companies don't pay £30k for the car if that's the showroom price, they negotiate substantial discounts hence the crazy lease deals regularly offered.

mwstewart

7,553 posts

187 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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richs2891 said:
I don't think it just related to white Audis, it seems to be all white cars
This is also my obervation, around London.

J4CKO

41,279 posts

199 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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Gary29 said:
Adam Ansel said:
It is a perfect storm.

1) Audis have huge understeer, woolly controls and lots of electronic aids. They require minimum driving skills, so that is what they get.

2) People, deludedly, think that a leased silver Audi diesel is going to impress the neighbours who they hate. These really are the cars of the jumped up nouveau riche.

3) VAG have put huge resources (and cheating) into getting low official CO2 figures. So Audis have good BIK figures compared with similar cars, such as Mondeos.

4) VAG have put together amazing lease deals. Companies and individuals only look at the monthly payments. So many people who could never, in the real world, afford a brand new Audi A6 are driving round in one. This could end very badly as all the leases finish and the cars have far lower residual value than predicted (likely).

Of course educated, informed people can see straight through all this. Hence the derision afforded to
This bit concerns me, it's probably fairly simple but it's Friday afternoon and my brain hasn't turned up today.

Say a car is worth £30K brand new, at the end of a 3 year lease (for example) this car is only worth £10K, the lease holder has paid £10K to lease it (circa £300/month) and gives it back, who makes up the £10K difference???
As mentioned, discounts, and what 30K cars are worth 10 grand at 3 years old, probably 16 grand or therabouts, then the person leasing will have paid say 12 grand in monthlies plus 2 grand deposit, so it adds up, the lease companies rely on volume to offer the low prices and the car companies want the volume, no point having thousands of cars nobody can afford or want to buy outright, it just keeps the flow of metal flowing and stock for the nearly new market.


xRIEx

8,180 posts

147 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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Gary29 said:
This bit concerns me, it's probably fairly simple but it's Friday afternoon and my brain hasn't turned up today.

Say a car is worth £30K brand new, at the end of a 3 year lease (for example) this car is only worth £10K, the lease holder has paid £10K to lease it (circa £300/month) and gives it back, who makes up the £10K difference???
The bit that concerns me is, say, a car worth £40k brand new, at the end of a 3 year lease (for example) this car is only worth £5K, the lease holder has paid £5K to lease it (circa £150/month) and gives it back, who makes up the £30K difference???


Wow, it's surprisingly easy to create concern when you just make st up!

Guvernator

13,103 posts

164 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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I drive a white Audi, not sure if I do it badly or not but I'm usually quite courteous. The look of shock when I give people way is quite amusing as they just don't expect it.

It is a big petrol though and not a hateful diesel. Do I still get to keep my PH card or must I be burned at the stake?

Blakewater

4,303 posts

156 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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Guvernator said:
I drive a white Audi, not sure if I do it badly or not but I'm usually quite courteous. The look of shock when I give people way is quite amusing as they just don't expect it.

It is a big petrol though and not a hateful diesel. Do I still get to keep my PH card or must I be burned at the stake?
Yesterday morning I saw a guy in a white Audi A6 stop and let an elderly couple cross the road. Of course, no one who saw that would choose to notice or remember. Nor would they notice an aggressively driven Honda Jazz.

People are always stereotyping cars and their drivers, whether it's the people who are cocky because they can afford an Audi, the people who are nasty benefit scroungers because they've got a Vauxhall Mokka on Motability or the people who are too stupid to afford anything better than a Citroen Picasso. The ideas made up about people based on their cars can all conflict with each other but they're all firmly held stereotypes to suggest that all drivers of a certain car are bad drivers. People will then notice the drivers who fit their stereotypes but completely disregard those who don't.

LordHaveMurci

12,034 posts

168 months

Friday 6th May 2016
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Blakewater said:
Yesterday morning I saw a guy in a white Audi A6 stop and let an elderly couple cross the road. Of course, no one who saw that would choose to notice or remember. Nor would they notice an aggressively driven Honda Jazz.

People are always stereotyping cars and their drivers, whether it's the people who are cocky because they can afford an Audi, the people who are nasty benefit scroungers because they've got a Vauxhall Mokka on Motability or the people who are too stupid to afford anything better than a Citroen Picasso. The ideas made up about people based on their cars can all conflict with each other but they're all firmly held stereotypes to suggest that all drivers of a certain car are bad drivers. People will then notice the drivers who fit their stereotypes but completely disregard those who don't.
Couldn't be more wrong, if I saw an Audi driver being courteuos I would most definitely notice & remember it wink

Saw a complete bell end in a Honda Civic (non type r) last night, hardly typical though.