RE: Ford Mustang: UK Review
Discussion
Pommygranite said:
swisstoni said:
Pommygranite said:
People drop their load now talking about the Capri but 30 yrs ago it became a bit of a joke here in The UK.
1986? Not really. I had a 2.8i at the time and it was one of THE cars to have.MuscleSaloon said:
They were always well respected in the UK in V6 form. When I first got in to them you could still buy a good 3.0S fairly cheaply, which flat out would keep up with the new breed of GTi's that cost 10 times the price.
These positive sentiments about the UK-spec Ford Capri are shared by a subset of enthusiasts in the US, usually when that perennial petrolhead topic arises: "Interesting cars that, regrettably, were never put on sale here."Edited by unsprung on Tuesday 3rd May 15:03
Ozzie Osmond said:
^^^ Must have been all that "chunky knitwear"!
One thing is for certain, this latest Mustang has the best chance of any American car in Europe for a long time. Somehow the size is just about acceptable whereas cars like the modern Camaro and Charger/Challenger look too big.
I just don't get that argument.One thing is for certain, this latest Mustang has the best chance of any American car in Europe for a long time. Somehow the size is just about acceptable whereas cars like the modern Camaro and Charger/Challenger look too big.
American sports car's are not giant luxobarges, they are very comparable to European sports car's of the same class in both size and weight.
The Challenger is an exception, but it's still based on a Mercedes.
swisstoni said:
Pommygranite said:
swisstoni said:
Pommygranite said:
People drop their load now talking about the Capri but 30 yrs ago it became a bit of a joke here in The UK.
1986? Not really. I had a 2.8i at the time and it was one of THE cars to have.When your car starts breeding jokes it's not going to be that well regarded.
Ozzie Osmond said:
^^^ Must have been all that "chunky knitwear"!
One thing is for certain, this latest Mustang has the best chance of any American car in Europe for a long time. Somehow the size is just about acceptable whereas cars like the modern Camaro and Charger/Challenger look too big.
Well Ford and GM have been selling cars and performance cars in Europe and the U.K. for years. Lots of which have been successful. One thing is for certain, this latest Mustang has the best chance of any American car in Europe for a long time. Somehow the size is just about acceptable whereas cars like the modern Camaro and Charger/Challenger look too big.
Ozzie Osmond said:
^^^ Must have been all that "chunky knitwear"!
One thing is for certain, this latest Mustang has the best chance of any American car in Europe for a long time. Somehow the size is just about acceptable whereas cars like the modern Camaro and Charger/Challenger look too big.
My return last month to LA, the first time in 25 years, was a bit of a shock car wise.One thing is for certain, this latest Mustang has the best chance of any American car in Europe for a long time. Somehow the size is just about acceptable whereas cars like the modern Camaro and Charger/Challenger look too big.
Mainly Korean and Japanese cars, Beemers and Mercs. Actual US stuff seemed to be in the minority and most of that was UK sized apart from the Ford F150s and the Chevy Surburban types.
Everyone seems worried about gas prices even though they are at a third of ours.
croyde said:
My return last month to LA, the first time in 25 years, was a bit of a shock car wise.
Mainly Korean and Japanese cars, Beemers and Mercs. Actual US stuff seemed to be in the minority and most of that was UK sized apart from the Ford F150s and the Chevy Surburban types.
Everyone seems worried about gas prices even though they are at a third of ours.
Don't forget that LA is both multi cultural and extremely wealthy. In most wealthy parts of the US there has been a huge shift to European cars and in most multicultural parts a big shift to Asian. The parts that we tend not to go to for tourism or business don't seem to have changed too much from our perceived stereotype. Mainly Korean and Japanese cars, Beemers and Mercs. Actual US stuff seemed to be in the minority and most of that was UK sized apart from the Ford F150s and the Chevy Surburban types.
Everyone seems worried about gas prices even though they are at a third of ours.
I also noticed that in LA they all worry about the price of petrol while borrowing as much cash as they can lay their hands on and pissing it away on pointless tat no human actually has need of. It was clear to me that their addiction to buying designer rubbish and consumer electricals was using up the money that should be spent on piss cheap petrol and healthy food.
J4CKO said:
I think weirdly, the Mustang, despite being a Ford is classier, cant see rented ones being battered round town centres anytime soon, ditto the Focus RS, they seem, at least when new to be more enthusiast owned.
Especially important, that observation about "enthusiast owned."There may or may not be much margin in rest-of-world sales of Mustang inventory. Total ex-US sales have been estimated at approximately ten percent of the US figure, so I'm a bit sceptical of shed loads of profit taking, there.
Nevertheless, as has been mentioned before, the presence of Mustang on rest-of-world forecourts is probably not about building a line of revenue per se.
Instead, it is about burnishing those "classy" and "enthusiast owned" attributes which you mention. It is about anchoring those attributes right the way across the Ford range. Of course, Mustang is not the only way to accomplish this. In total there is ST, RS, Mustang, Raptor, and GT. But Mustang is arguably the most universal and content-rich when viewed in a global context.
So... there's this portfolio or corporate role to be played by Mustang.
But there is also a question of the survival of Mustang, itself. It's long overdue for the stories of this iconic car to have many more "authors" in ever more locations. Future versions of Mustang will be better for it.
Ozzie Osmond said:
Mustang is likely to follow the same course - because 99% of sales will have the eco-weenie engine once the initial flurry of excitement is over. Ford haven't managed to sell a coupe in UK for decades and took a real stuffing on Probe/Cougar/Puma. When did anyone last see one of those.
Don't get me started on the Thunderbird fiasco. Even a 4 litre V8 and appearance in a 2003 James Bond film couldn't save this pile of dross,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Thunderbird_(el...
Anyway, at least they've got the Mustang well sorted now. It's relevance in Europe remains to be proved.
It's on a sunny day like today that I'll probably see Jonathan Ross driving his pink Thunderbird. A wagon so farcical and clearly disastrous that it is actually quite cool. Outside of mental asylum residents on day release I suspect he was the only UK customer. Don't get me started on the Thunderbird fiasco. Even a 4 litre V8 and appearance in a 2003 James Bond film couldn't save this pile of dross,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Thunderbird_(el...
Anyway, at least they've got the Mustang well sorted now. It's relevance in Europe remains to be proved.
Pommygranite said:
swisstoni said:
Pommygranite said:
swisstoni said:
Pommygranite said:
People drop their load now talking about the Capri but 30 yrs ago it became a bit of a joke here in The UK.
1986? Not really. I had a 2.8i at the time and it was one of THE cars to have.When your car starts breeding jokes it's not going to be that well regarded.
Ozzie Osmond said:
Mustang is likely to follow the same course - because 99% of sales will have the eco-weenie engine once the initial flurry of excitement is over. Ford haven't managed to sell a coupe in UK for decades and took a real stuffing on Probe/Cougar/Puma. When did anyone last see one of those.
Anyway, at least they've got the Mustang well sorted now. It's relevance in Europe remains to be proved.
The Mustang is doing exceedingly well in Europe. it has outsold the 911 (not surprisingly) and is eyeing up TT and Scirocco sales.Anyway, at least they've got the Mustang well sorted now. It's relevance in Europe remains to be proved.
http://left-lane.com/european-car-sales-data/ford/...
Given the waiting list, I'd say it's doing just fine. Certainly, I have seen 4 different ones in the local Ford dealer and they are in and out again.
LuS1fer said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
Mustang is likely to follow the same course - because 99% of sales will have the eco-weenie engine once the initial flurry of excitement is over. Ford haven't managed to sell a coupe in UK for decades and took a real stuffing on Probe/Cougar/Puma. When did anyone last see one of those.
Anyway, at least they've got the Mustang well sorted now. It's relevance in Europe remains to be proved.
The Mustang is doing exceedingly well in Europe. it has outsold the 911 (not surprisingly) and is eyeing up TT and Scirocco sales.Anyway, at least they've got the Mustang well sorted now. It's relevance in Europe remains to be proved.
http://left-lane.com/european-car-sales-data/ford/...
Given the waiting list, I'd say it's doing just fine. Certainly, I have seen 4 different ones in the local Ford dealer and they are in and out again.
The alternative to a supercharger is to add on the ford racing cobra jet parts i.e. intake manifold, tb, cai, cams, plus aftermarket exhaust from the headers to the exhaust removing the cat, plus a dyno tune. These are producing 470whp approx for coyotes that start at 420bhp flywheel.
That should exceed the gt350 output. Plus your not adding the weight of the s/c, less heat produced plus engine longetivity. Thesr parts cost approx $3000, not including the exhaust system, so saving half of the s/c kit, however I bet installation is more costly than a s/c.
I would not forget if yout going to be boosted, the half shafts won't last long at super high output and you should upgrade to cobra jet halfshafts.
That should exceed the gt350 output. Plus your not adding the weight of the s/c, less heat produced plus engine longetivity. Thesr parts cost approx $3000, not including the exhaust system, so saving half of the s/c kit, however I bet installation is more costly than a s/c.
I would not forget if yout going to be boosted, the half shafts won't last long at super high output and you should upgrade to cobra jet halfshafts.
DonkeyApple said:
I also noticed that in LA they all worry about the price of petrol while borrowing as much cash as they can lay their hands on and pissing it away on pointless tat no human actually has need of. It was clear to me that their addiction to buying designer rubbish and consumer electricals was using up the money that should be spent on piss cheap petrol and healthy food.
These same prodigal people live in and around major cities of the UK. The difference is: In Los Angeles they can afford a greater degree of independence and mobility. Consequently, you will see them in any location and at any time.
Ozzie Osmond said:
Los Angeles: petrol costs $2.20 (£1.60) a US gallon which is about 40 pence a litre.
I think it's fair to say a lot more Brits would own big V8s if the price of petrol came down from 108p to 40p !!
P.S Californians are all buying Teslas.
The taxes on gas guzzlers due to smog issues are quite high in CA aren't they?I think it's fair to say a lot more Brits would own big V8s if the price of petrol came down from 108p to 40p !!
P.S Californians are all buying Teslas.
Ozzie Osmond said:
Los Angeles: petrol costs $2.20 (£1.60) a US gallon which is about 40 pence a litre.
I think it's fair to say a lot more Brits would own big V8s if the price of petrol came down from 108p to 40p !!
P.S Californians are all buying Teslas.
Here in Oz it's approx 50p a litre and people are shying away from V8's towards small hatches, more diesels and leaner engines.I think it's fair to say a lot more Brits would own big V8s if the price of petrol came down from 108p to 40p !!
P.S Californians are all buying Teslas.
You think it's cheap but it's still comparative to what you are used to.
I wouldn't say Australia is nearly the petrol head country i was led to believe it was and so for many here why get a car that does 14l/100km when you get one that does 6l/100km and more than halve your fuel bill.
Test drove V8 manual mustang GT today and it actually is a nice car to drive and sounds and looks gorgeous.
Sales guy said that Ford is only going to produce it for 5 years in RHD and after that thats it, no more - is that true or just a sales pitch to increase desirability of the car?
Sales guy said that Ford is only going to produce it for 5 years in RHD and after that thats it, no more - is that true or just a sales pitch to increase desirability of the car?
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