RE: Ford Mustang: UK Review

[HD Adam]

PanzerCommander said:

SturdyHSV said:

big_rob_sydney said:

Those are terrible performance times for a car that trades off a performance halo. For all the positive talk, I get the impression people are more interested in style than substance.

What a slow-arsed slug.

It's all in the launch though, and those 60' times are woeful. That isn't the car, that's the track / driver. They hadn't done it before (to the best of my knowledge) and there's also the red mist factor when racing another person.

They are poor times though, definitely, and the trap isn't great, I'd have expected 105ish at least as that's less driver dependent.

Yup the 60ft times show me exactly what is happening, its just spinning the wheels off the line and not hooking up at all.

It is a combination of:

• st OEM spec tyres (the Pirellis are not highly rated at all from what I have read)
• Driver - don't use the launch control, do it properly
• Burnout - on street tyres its pointless, drive around the waterbox
• RWYB quality track - the track will be awful, as I said I have experience of RWYB quality tracks and national event tracks and the difference is incredible.

I got better 60ft times and 100mph trap speeds on street tyres (Goodyear Eagle F1's) and OEM suspension on my 2006 GT with 120hp less than the new cars and that is launching from a flat idle with an auto, no revs built against the torque converter.

As predicted then. Bad driving.I'm not surprised that PH didn't post those embarrassing times.

In the hands of an experienced RWYB'er (like me ), probably could have got a very low 13.

Unfortunately, as seen, some people will say the Mustang is slow based on the times run.

[kambites]

Does it really matter how fast it is? I wouldn't have thought pub bragging rights were really the point of something like this.

[Pommygranite]

kambites said:

Pommygranite said:

Well your first comment was will anyone buy one as if you were suggesting they won't.

You made that inference, not me. I was in no way attempting to imply that it will sell poorly.

I certainly hope it sells well, it makes a welcome change to all the monochrome German "coupes" that litter the roads. I was simply asking the question of whether it will and, by extension, what actually constitutes "selling well" in the UK for this sort of car.

Not everything on PH is a loaded question aimed at attacking someone's darling brand.

ETA: And no the rest of your post didn't answer my question, which was how many are they selling in the UK. I couldn't care less how it sells anywhere else or how it compares to any other car. I'm after the absolute number of UK sales (which I'm guessing haven't actually been published or someone would have come up with them by now).

Edited by kambites on Thursday 28th April 11:31

The words you used were: The question is whether anyone will actually buy it.

That is absolutely an inference no one will buy given you have to question if anyone will.
1000 have been delivered in the UK and 1600 are projected this year. That's more than Maserati and Bentleys entire range sold in 2015, 50% of Subarus 2015 sales and 15% of Porsches entire sales. Not bad for a single model and what is effectively a new to market model for the UK, majority have a 5.0 V8 and an American import at that.

Selling well is having a sold out model with a waiting list and given its not a limited edition its simple to deduce that its selling well. How many cars get released and have a 12 month waiting list and are deemed as not selling well.

I don't think Ford is anyones darling brand.

[richbe]

Pommygranite said:

kambites said:

Pommygranite said:

Well your first comment was will anyone buy one as if you were suggesting they won't.

You made that inference, not me. I was in no way attempting to imply that it will sell poorly.

I certainly hope it sells well, it makes a welcome change to all the monochrome German "coupes" that litter the roads. I was simply asking the question of whether it will and, by extension, what actually constitutes "selling well" in the UK for this sort of car.

Not everything on PH is a loaded question aimed at attacking someone's darling brand.

ETA: And no the rest of your post didn't answer my question, which was how many are they selling in the UK. I couldn't care less how it sells anywhere else or how it compares to any other car. I'm after the absolute number of UK sales (which I'm guessing haven't actually been published or someone would have come up with them by now).

Edited by kambites on Thursday 28th April 11:31

The words you used were: The question is whether anyone will actually buy it.

That is absolutely an inference no one will buy given you have to question if anyone will.
1000 have been delivered in the UK and 1600 are projected this year. That's more than Maserati and Bentleys entire range sold in 2015, 50% of Subarus 2015 sales and 15% of Porsches entire sales. Not bad for a single model and what is effectively a new to market model for the UK, majority have a 5.0 V8 and an American import at that.

Selling well is having a sold out model with a waiting list and given its not a limited edition its simple to deduce that its selling well. How many cars get released and have a 12 month waiting list and are deemed as not selling well.

I don't think Ford is anyones darling brand.

B**dy hell, you guys actually have time to waste on such pointless arguments, seriously, do you actually care that much?

[Dan Trent]

HD Adam said:

As predicted then. Bad driving.I'm not surprised that PH didn't post those embarrassing times.

In the hands of an experienced RWYB'er (like me ), probably could have got a very low 13.

Unfortunately, as seen, some people will say the Mustang is slow based on the times run.

Hello!

For what it's worth we are all complete drag strip numpties so don't read too much into our times. Matt was very good at making tyre smoke for the camera though, if not always where he was supposed to be doing it.

We had a lot of fun though, and that's the main thing.

Cheers,

Dan

[unpc]

macky17 said:

unpc said:

JD said:

Someone who lives opposite to me has recently got one in just that colour… do you live opposite to me?

Dunno, your profile doesn't give much away. I'm in Danbury, Essex.

Small world. Me too. Would love a look some time...

Come over to say hello then. I might even take you out for a spin. Bear in mind I'm not about much in the week but usually there weekends.

[DonkeyApple]

kambites said:

Does it really matter how fast it is? I wouldn't have thought pub bragging rights were really the point of something like this.

You'd have probably driven passed the pub with all the company diesels in the car park and carried on driving it round corners and generally having fun.

[kambites]

Pommygranite said:

The words you used were: The question is whether anyone will actually buy it.

That is absolutely an inference no one will buy given you have to question if anyone will.

Hmm, that was in no way my intention.

Thanks for the figures, but I'm not sure why you're also posting figures about other cars? I just wanted to know how many Mustangs they'd sold here!

[300bhp/ton]

kambites said:

Does it really matter how fast it is? I wouldn't have thought pub bragging rights were really the point of something like this.

I'd rather of thought that was almost the entire point. It's certainly a big deal in the USA, US reviews and to the heritage of the model.

[SuperVM]

It just needs one of these:

http://www.roushperformance.com/parts/2015-mustang...

[300bhp/ton]

SuperVM said:

It just needs one of these:

http://www.roushperformance.com/parts/2015-mustang...

Roush tend to be a flouncy in the styling department for me. If you want power and performance, these are the guys you'd probably speak too:

http://kennebell.net/

[vz-r_dave]

GT350.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbbNlkP-ZSM

This is the car you would compare with the M4 and the AMG's here in Europe. If you havent watched already make sure you do, it looks to be a fanastic car.

[Pommygranite]

kambites said:

Pommygranite said:

The words you used were: The question is whether anyone will actually buy it.

That is absolutely an inference no one will buy given you have to question if anyone will.

Hmm, that was in no way my intention.

Thanks for the figures, but I'm not sure why you're also posting figures about other cars? I just wanted to know how many Mustangs they'd sold here!

If you solely had the figure how could you deduce if it was a good number?

I think the new Mustang has been a global sales success no doubt and the reason this is important is benefits on depreciation.

Good reviews + high demand + limited supply = low depreciation.

I reckon you could run the V8, suffer the fuel bills and come out financially ahead

[ewenm]

300bhp/ton said:

I'd rather of thought that was almost the entire point. It's certainly a big deal in the USA, US reviews and to the heritage of the model.

It's interesting isn't it? For me, having owned a 67 Mustang and hoping to own one of the new Mustangs one day, the drag strip numbers are irrelevant. I like that it's a 2+2 V8 Coupe that is not from the ubiquitous German triumvirate, I like the styling, I like the history of the models. I'll very rarely (if ever!) use the standing start performance, so that doesn't matter to me.

[kambites]

Pommygranite said:

I reckon you could run the V8, suffer the fuel bills and come out financially ahead

I don't know about "ahead" in absolute terms, but in the short term it may well compare favourably with a diesel German snoozebox. In the longer term the big question will be how the used marked views it. Demand may be out-stripping supply at the moment and may continue to do so for a couple of years, but unless Ford artificially UK imports (I've seen no evidence they intend to?) that's not going to last indefinitely.

Assuming Ford's lease deals are typically three years, I could see very strong residuals until three years after launch and then a fairly hefty plunge as a large number of vehicles hit the used market at roughly the same time that supply is finally capable of keeping up with demand. I wouldn't be that surprised if the i4's residuals are better than the V8s simply because of perception of running costs amongst (relatively) mainstream second-hand buyers.

Edited by kambites on Thursday 28th April 12:41

[SturdyHSV]

Electronicpants said:

9.726/10

That's up there with Renton's "Choose Life" speech..I hear they are filming another, get it sent

Cheers, certainly not had such a high rating before

s m said:

Made me smile

( you didn't have a hand in the script for 'Trainspotting' did you? )

Never seen it actually, but I do know the speech (was it sampled on a song?)

[DonkeyApple]

300bhp/ton said:

kambites said:

Does it really matter how fast it is? I wouldn't have thought pub bragging rights were really the point of something like this.

I'd rather of thought that was almost the entire point. It's certainly a big deal in the USA, US reviews and to the heritage of the model.

Don't forget though that this is the UK. And while driving off in a straight line, whooping and a hollering is clearly a big deal over in America much like massacring school children, religious fundamentalism and banging your sister, it's not so culturally relevant in the UK where the 'theatre' of the driving experience is more pertinent.

The Americans tend to sell these cars almost in a basic form so that punters can then customise the elements that are individually important to them. So if some chap does wish to Baz it up at the shopping arcade to impress some CSE wood work specialists and tunnel gusseted pram pushers then there's probably going to be a whole host of after market kit for this.

[1Addicted]

I had one of the GT's as a rental last time I visited the USA. I did enjoy it, mostly because it was a Mustang and I'd never driven one before but, I wasn't blown away. To compare it to my C63, which can only be described as a sledge-hammer, it's not a touch in performance terms; I'm pretty sure I'd leave it for dead. Of course, for similar weight my car is carrying another 100hp and torque advantage also so I'd expect no different but, the V8 Mustang's engine feels lazy in comparison and is nowhere near as snappy.

I am hopeful for a GT350/350R, or a GT500 but price will determine whether or not they carry the same value for money.

I think the Mustang GT is a car for occasion, which you can cruise in, enjoy the noise and accept it for that; a GT, then. The latest breed of hot-hatches will be all over it like a rash, so I'd suggest an exhaust mod, windows down and smugly smile to the burble whilst letting some oik in a high-powered nasty sounding four-banger tear past you.

[300bhp/ton]

ewenm said:

300bhp/ton said:

I'd rather of thought that was almost the entire point. It's certainly a big deal in the USA, US reviews and to the heritage of the model.

It's interesting isn't it? For me, having owned a 67 Mustang and hoping to own one of the new Mustangs one day, the drag strip numbers are irrelevant. I like that it's a 2+2 V8 Coupe that is not from the ubiquitous German triumvirate, I like the styling, I like the history of the models. I'll very rarely (if ever!) use the standing start performance, so that doesn't matter to me.

Then surely that's what the 6 cylinder models were designed for


Seriously, if you don't want the performance, Ford has always catered for the same style, history, look and feel. But with lesser engines at lower prices.

[Stig]

DonkeyApple said:

Don't forget though that this is the UK. And while driving off in a straight line, whooping and a hollering is clearly a big deal over in America much like massacring school children, religious fundamentalism and banging your sister, it's not so culturally relevant in the UK where the 'theatre' of the driving experience is more pertinent.

The Americans tend to sell these cars almost in a basic form so that punters can then customise the elements that are individually important to them. So if some chap does wish to Baz it up at the shopping arcade to impress some CSE wood work specialists and tunnel gusseted pram pushers then there's probably going to be a whole host of after market kit for this.

So many cliches! It's almost like you waft about in a Range Rover, wearing a cravat and tweed shooting jacket whilst trying not to spill your sherry.

Oh wait....