RE: Ford Mustang: UK Review
Discussion
Dan Trent said:
HD Adam said:
As predicted then. Bad driving.I'm not surprised that PH didn't post those embarrassing times.
In the hands of an experienced RWYB'er (like me
), probably could have got a very low 13.
Unfortunately, as seen, some people will say the Mustang is slow based on the times run.
Hello!In the hands of an experienced RWYB'er (like me
), probably could have got a very low 13.Unfortunately, as seen, some people will say the Mustang is slow based on the times run.
For what it's worth we are all complete drag strip numpties so don't read too much into our times. Matt was very good at making tyre smoke for the camera though, if not always where he was supposed to be doing it.
We had a lot of fun though, and that's the main thing.
Cheers,
Dan
Maybe I'm riding you too hard but the Mustang is touted as a performance car and even if it laps the Ring as fast as an M3, people are always going to associate it with drag racing.
Putting up "slow" times" doesn't show the car in it's best light.
You've obviously seen that just planting your foot at the green light is not the way to quarter mile heaven but if you want to give it another go, I will be at Gary's Picnic on the late May Bank Holiday Weekend (Shakespeare County Raceway) and would be quite happy to teach you everything you need to know about drag racing if you want to come along and join in the fun.
Even though you had fun at the Pod, it's much more fun when you can do it better.
I'll be in this. Nothing better for learning a good 60' time with no weight over the back
1Addicted said:
I had one of the GT's as a rental last time I visited the USA. I did enjoy it, mostly because it was a Mustang and I'd never driven one before but, I wasn't blown away.To compare it to my C63,
Are we maybe being a little unrealistic here...According to the Merc website, a new C63 starts at £61,000 and rises to £77,000 before you even hit the options list.
In the US a Mustang is about $30,000 or so. Even if you take UK prices of £36,000 that is still a HUGE HUGE difference.
In fact, money wise you'd be better off comparing it to a base model Corsa... than a top end Merc.
If you are wanting like for like pricing, then a Merc C200 is about the same money as a UK Mustang. Which would give you a 2 litre inline 4 with 184hp.
And just checking, it was a V8 rental you had? As most/many rental ones are V6's.
BTW - I'm not disputing your conclusion. Just pointing out that you really couldn't get a much more unfair test.
300bhp/ton said:
ewenm said:
300bhp/ton said:
I'd rather of thought that was almost the entire point. It's certainly a big deal in the USA, US reviews and to the heritage of the model.
It's interesting isn't it? For me, having owned a 67 Mustang and hoping to own one of the new Mustangs one day, the drag strip numbers are irrelevant. I like that it's a 2+2 V8 Coupe that is not from the ubiquitous German triumvirate, I like the styling, I like the history of the models. I'll very rarely (if ever!) use the standing start performance, so that doesn't matter to me.
Seriously, if you don't want the performance, Ford has always catered for the same style, history, look and feel. But with lesser engines at lower prices.
Stig said:
DonkeyApple said:
Don't forget though that this is the UK. And while driving off in a straight line, whooping and a hollering is clearly a big deal over in America much like massacring school children, religious fundamentalism and banging your sister, it's not so culturally relevant in the UK where the 'theatre' of the driving experience is more pertinent.
The Americans tend to sell these cars almost in a basic form so that punters can then customise the elements that are individually important to them. So if some chap does wish to Baz it up at the shopping arcade to impress some CSE wood work specialists and tunnel gusseted pram pushers then there's probably going to be a whole host of after market kit for this.
So many cliches! It's almost like you waft about in a Range Rover, wearing a cravat and tweed shooting jacket whilst trying not to spill your sherry.The Americans tend to sell these cars almost in a basic form so that punters can then customise the elements that are individually important to them. So if some chap does wish to Baz it up at the shopping arcade to impress some CSE wood work specialists and tunnel gusseted pram pushers then there's probably going to be a whole host of after market kit for this.
Oh wait....
I wonder how many of TVR's old client base is going to be tempted by this car? Quite a few similarities between the two in many ways.
ewenm said:
Come off it 300. There's a lot more to performance than drag strip times. Like I said, I like that it is a V8 2+2 Coupe etc etc.
It was tong in cheek reply 
But rationally, it's the V8 that gives the Mustang it's performance, well straight line at least. The V6 and esp the 4 cylinder have less weight and less nose heavy. So on other performance metrics they will likely be the better vehicles if it involves cornering.
I'm certainly not saying don't like the V8's, but surely the main reason has to be for the extra performance? Which is generally easy to express in 1/4 mile performance stats.
300bhp/ton said:
It was tong in cheek reply
But rationally, it's the V8 that gives the Mustang it's performance, well straight line at least. The V6 and esp the 4 cylinder have less weight and less nose heavy. So on other performance metrics they will likely be the better vehicles if it involves cornering.
I'm certainly not saying don't like the V8's, but surely the main reason has to be for the extra performance? Which is generally easy to express in 1/4 mile performance stats.
Who is rational about this sort of purchase? But rationally, it's the V8 that gives the Mustang it's performance, well straight line at least. The V6 and esp the 4 cylinder have less weight and less nose heavy. So on other performance metrics they will likely be the better vehicles if it involves cornering.
I'm certainly not saying don't like the V8's, but surely the main reason has to be for the extra performance? Which is generally easy to express in 1/4 mile performance stats.
ewenm said:
Who is rational about this sort of purchase?
Very true.And I admit, I'd only want a V8 one really too. But then I'm a big of a hooligan anyhow.
That said, for a daily driver, when Ford introduced the direct injection V6 with 305hp. I think one of those with a manual and the handling pack, would probably be the drivers pick. Enough performance to be quick, but less weight over the nose.
e.g.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2011-ford-must...
The 2011 3.7 DOHC V6, 6 speed manual, 305hp, 0-60mph in 5.4 sec available handling pack an less weight than the GT. And IMO looks way better than the current model.
300bhp/ton said:
Are we maybe being a little unrealistic here...
According to the Merc website, a new C63 starts at £61,000 and rises to £77,000 before you even hit the options list.
In the US a Mustang is about $30,000 or so. Even if you take UK prices of £36,000 that is still a HUGE HUGE difference.
In fact, money wise you'd be better off comparing it to a base model Corsa... than a top end Merc.
If you are wanting like for like pricing, then a Merc C200 is about the same money as a UK Mustang. Which would give you a 2 litre inline 4 with 184hp.
And just checking, it was a V8 rental you had? As most/many rental ones are V6's.
BTW - I'm not disputing your conclusion. Just pointing out that you really couldn't get a much more unfair test.
Indeed, a rental V8 from Hertz Adrenaline. I was comparing V8 to V8. Or perhaps more specifically performance V8 to performance V8. You said it yourself in another post, the Mustang is sold as a performance car which is my train of thought also.According to the Merc website, a new C63 starts at £61,000 and rises to £77,000 before you even hit the options list.
In the US a Mustang is about $30,000 or so. Even if you take UK prices of £36,000 that is still a HUGE HUGE difference.
In fact, money wise you'd be better off comparing it to a base model Corsa... than a top end Merc.
If you are wanting like for like pricing, then a Merc C200 is about the same money as a UK Mustang. Which would give you a 2 litre inline 4 with 184hp.
And just checking, it was a V8 rental you had? As most/many rental ones are V6's.
BTW - I'm not disputing your conclusion. Just pointing out that you really couldn't get a much more unfair test.
A C63 (I'm referring M156 NA, so in fact a generation before) is/was a premium above and in places it shows, but that's not to say that the additional value is in the engine. I would say that the Mustang and the C63 (coupe) are classed as being in the same category so one wouldn't be called ludicrous to expect them to be compared, regardless of price. To compare the Mustang on a price point, you could literally shoot anywhere. If this is the rationale, we could compare (when new) the Aston Martin Cygnet as it wasn't far off the cost of a new Mustang GT but they are world's apart, as is a Corsa, but then again it's neither comparable on price or category so we don't despite the local Corsa VXR lads believing it.
As a Mustang is half the price of a C63, it doesn't make it half the car, and it isn't, it to me just feels like the less exciting competition. I could compare a C63 W204 or W205 with a Lexus IS-F or RC-F, and still I (and most of the car loving public) would rate it as a less exciting car than a C63, or a BMW M3/M4 for that matter, and possibly a Mustang GT.
Edited by 1Addicted on Thursday 28th April 13:39
1Addicted said:
Indeed, a rental V8 from Hertz Adrenaline. I was comparing V8 to V8. Or perhaps more specifically performance V8 to performance V8. You said it yourself in another post, the Mustang is sold as a performance car which is my train of thought also.
A C63 (I'm referring M156 NA) is a premium above and in places it shows, but that's not to say that the additional value is in the engine. I would say that the Mustang and the C63 are classed as being in the same category/competitors so one wouldn't be called ludicrous to expect them to be compared, regardless of price. To compare the Mustang on a price point, you could literally shoot anywhere. If this is the rationale, we could compare (when new) the Aston Martin Cygnet as it wasn't far off the cost of a new Mustang GT but they are world's apart, as is a Corsa, but then again it's neither comparable on price or category. As a Mustang is half the price of a C63, it doesn't make it half the car, just less exciting competition. I could compare a C63 for a Lexus IS-F or RC-F, and still I (and most of the car loving public) would rate it as a less exciting car than a C63, or a BMW M3/M4 for that matter.
I agree on the same 'sort' of car. But price does really dictate all. Your words exactly were:A C63 (I'm referring M156 NA) is a premium above and in places it shows, but that's not to say that the additional value is in the engine. I would say that the Mustang and the C63 are classed as being in the same category/competitors so one wouldn't be called ludicrous to expect them to be compared, regardless of price. To compare the Mustang on a price point, you could literally shoot anywhere. If this is the rationale, we could compare (when new) the Aston Martin Cygnet as it wasn't far off the cost of a new Mustang GT but they are world's apart, as is a Corsa, but then again it's neither comparable on price or category. As a Mustang is half the price of a C63, it doesn't make it half the car, just less exciting competition. I could compare a C63 for a Lexus IS-F or RC-F, and still I (and most of the car loving public) would rate it as a less exciting car than a C63, or a BMW M3/M4 for that matter.
Edited by 1Addicted on Thursday 28th April 13:33
1Addicted said:
it's not a touch in performance terms; I'm pretty sure I'd leave it for dead.
But for the same money as a C63 you could have had a 600hp + Mustang (probably still change over), which would likely have changed your verdict.For instance, if you doubled the price of a C63 (or even just added another £30-40k if you are talking the price difference), how much of a better car again could you get for that kind of money?
As I say, I'm not disputing your conclusion. Just that in reality, most people considering a circa £30k new car, don't have the luxury to also consider cars costing in the £60-80k price bracket.
I've been ogling these since I first heard they were coming to the UK. Deep impact blue 5.0 GT manual for me please.
I think there really is a lot of people in the thread missing the point of a Mustang to be honest, which is understandable really, we've never officially had any pony cars over here, especially not a gen-you-wine V8. For this price point, you just cannot argue with it.
And why the hell is everyone getting so peeved at the PH guys doing "poor" runs at the Pod? Who cares? Yes, my Mountune ST Fiesta nearly ran the same 1/4 as the Mustang (wooo!) but that's eff all to do with anything. I want me some V8 damnit!
Though the one I REALLY desperately want is the GT350R. Carbon fibre wheels? Flat plane crank V8? Line lock for burnouts? Why yes, I do want!
I think there really is a lot of people in the thread missing the point of a Mustang to be honest, which is understandable really, we've never officially had any pony cars over here, especially not a gen-you-wine V8. For this price point, you just cannot argue with it.
And why the hell is everyone getting so peeved at the PH guys doing "poor" runs at the Pod? Who cares? Yes, my Mountune ST Fiesta nearly ran the same 1/4 as the Mustang (wooo!) but that's eff all to do with anything. I want me some V8 damnit!
Though the one I REALLY desperately want is the GT350R. Carbon fibre wheels? Flat plane crank V8? Line lock for burnouts? Why yes, I do want!
DonkeyApple said:
F4ck off. I don't drink sherry.
I wonder how many of TVR's old client base is going to be tempted by this car? Quite a few similarities between the two in many ways.
Ermm.. at least one, having previously owned a 390SE, 460SE and a Griff 500 I wonder how many of TVR's old client base is going to be tempted by this car? Quite a few similarities between the two in many ways.
Had a couple of Ultimas after that, then the previous gen Mustang. The new one is lightyears ahead of the '05-'14 models (and millenia from TVRs
).However in terms of similarity, other than the V8 there really isn't any?
The MPG is terrible. I bet most people finance these anyway, so how much per month if you do 15k a year for finance plus fuel? I'd like to see it compared to a BMW 340i for price with all that considered. I'm assuming the tax is also rather steep in the Mustang. Not to mention the cheap looking interior.
I'd rather a well specced Audi S3/Golf R/M235i for 36/37 grand. I expect it'd be much cheaper motoring over a couple of years.
The Mustang does look cool though, I saw an all black one the other day and followed it for a bit and it did look nice (from the outside)!
I'd rather a well specced Audi S3/Golf R/M235i for 36/37 grand. I expect it'd be much cheaper motoring over a couple of years.
The Mustang does look cool though, I saw an all black one the other day and followed it for a bit and it did look nice (from the outside)!
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