RE: Ford Mustang: UK Review
Discussion
kambites said:
300bhp/ton said:
The BMW sites says 36-38mpg for the manual 340i and that's only a claim, whether it's a realistic real world figure I don't know.
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That's still quite a lot higher than the 20.9 Ford seem to quote for the Mustang GT. .
Taken ages to find them on the Ford site.
| Urban | Extra Urban | Combined | |
| 2.3T manual | 28.0 | 41.5 | 35.3 |
| 5.0 manual | 14.1 | 29.4 | 20.9 |
I do wonder how optimistic the BMW mpg figures are and if it's more how they tailored the car for the NEDC, rather than really being twice as good on fuel.
For example, the USA BMW sites says 20/30mpg for the 340i
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Vehicles/20...
I assume this is more inline with EPA rather than NEDC testing standards.
Even adjusting for Imperial gallons, that's still a vastly different figure to their UK claimed mpg and much nearer to the Mustang.
Edited by 300bhp/ton on Thursday 28th April 14:40
Edited by 300bhp/ton on Thursday 28th April 14:40
kambites said:
vz-r_dave said:
Checking their website that looks to be the case. Was thinking about the V8 XK's, I think they made them without the charger but guess I am bit behind the times 
In terms of naturally aspirated petrol V8s you can buy in the UK now, I can only think of this and the Lexus one. TheTyreAbuser said:
Again, kinda missing the point of a Mustang.
Shopping with your head? Hot hatch. Shopping with a deep lust for a V8 coupe? Mustang.
Most people who care about brand image, residuals, tax, "build quality" and MPG really, really, really, REALLY won't get what the Mustang is for.
The sort of people who would buy a 911 rather than an F-type R.
Essentially, more beige/magnolia/titanium grey people. I'm not one of those people unless I have to be. Fortunately I don't very often.
You think an F-Type is sharper to drive than a 911 and that 'beige/magnolia/titanium grey people' buy them Shopping with your head? Hot hatch. Shopping with a deep lust for a V8 coupe? Mustang.
Most people who care about brand image, residuals, tax, "build quality" and MPG really, really, really, REALLY won't get what the Mustang is for.
The sort of people who would buy a 911 rather than an F-type R.
Essentially, more beige/magnolia/titanium grey people. I'm not one of those people unless I have to be. Fortunately I don't very often.
IMO, and I have driven a few of them, the beauty of the Mustang is that is basically a blank canvas to build upon. The only downside is that compared to the US you have to pay more dearly for the process which puts it into the price bracket of cars which are pretty competent. That isn't bean counting it is fact. A sorted Mustang for $50K whilst being paid in dollars is a great proposition, at £50K less so.
yonex said:
You think an F-Type is sharper to drive than a 911 and that 'beige/magnolia/titanium grey people' buy them
Not what I meant at all.... In fact, the EXACT opposite 
As in, someone who would buy something that was more "evocative" rather than something that is "technically" better.
Like, technically, a manual gearbox is worse, but because of the "feel" of control and connection, most of us would prefer a manual.
Kinda proving my point though. :P
vz-r_dave said:
The GT350 is enough, the R is more of a comparison to the M4 GTS.
Has to be the R! - all the goodies as standard; electromagnetic suspension, carbon wheels and various other carbon bits, Pilot Cup Sports, Recaros, transmission oil coolers, no rear seat, cool rear spoiler and the piece de resistance, the active exhaust 
.... my God, the noise is epic! I want one really badly 
300bhp/ton said:
| Urban | Extra Urban | Combined | |
| 2.3T manual | 28.0 | 41.5 | 35.3 |
| 5.0 manual | 14.1 | 29.4 | 20.9 |
I'm a little surprised I wrote that I as couldn't really give a s
t what it does...sumpoil said:
Has to be the R! - all the goodies as standard; electromagnetic suspension, carbon wheels and various other carbon bits, Pilot Cup Sports, Recaros, transmission oil coolers, no rear seat, cool rear spoiler and the piece de resistance, the active exhaust .... my God, the noise is epic! I want one really badly
Exactly, no half measures (except they do a rear seat package now too, so, semi-practical awesome noisy beast .... my God, the noise is epic! I want one really badly ). TheTyreAbuser said:
Not what I meant at all.... In fact, the EXACT opposite
As in, someone who would buy something that was more "evocative" rather than something that is "technically" better.
Like, technically, a manual gearbox is worse, but because of the "feel" of control and connection, most of us would prefer a manual.
Kinda proving my point though. :P
That's not what you said though...As in, someone who would buy something that was more "evocative" rather than something that is "technically" better.
Like, technically, a manual gearbox is worse, but because of the "feel" of control and connection, most of us would prefer a manual.
Kinda proving my point though. :P
TheTyreAbuser said:
The sort of people who would buy a 911 rather than an F-type R. Essentially, more beige/magnolia/titanium grey people
I don't know many 'beige/magnolia/titanium grey people' who would buy a 911, too brash. They'd be likely seen in an Jaguar. That's been the case for as long as I can remember. With the manual gearbox , in your words being 'worse' and the Jaguar only coming in auto what exactly are you saying. It doesn't make any sense at all?yonex said:
I don't know many 'beige/magnolia/titanium grey people' who would buy a 911, too brash. They'd be likely seen in an Jaguar. That's been the case for as long as I can remember. With the manual gearbox , in your words being 'worse' and the Jaguar only coming in auto what exactly are you saying. It doesn't make any sense at all?
Right... Looks like its all gone above your head there. I'm using straw men to illustrate a point. That one appeals to the heart while another appeals to the head. What I'm saying is, in laymans terms, someone in a black polo neck would want a nice silver Porsche-uh.. A loud, brawling supercharged V8 would not appeal to a person who wants a 911's precise, knife-like poise. And a PDK with the sports-chrono kit would be absolutely perfection.
However the person with the JAAAAAG F-type R, would more likely to be wearing a fair bit more in the way of colours, with some aviator sunglasses and a distinct smell of strong cologne. "Accidentally" doing a noisy burnout whilst pulling away from the lights because "ooops".
It's a similar case with the premium hot hatch and the Mustang arguement.
Also, yes, the F-type has an AUTO, not a Doppelkupplungsgetriebe. Not the same thing. In terms of "worse", then the all out auto in the Jag would technically be worse still. Again, making my point stronger that some people give less of a fig about such things.
In terms of generalisation, beige/titanium grey probably shouldn't be put together, my bad. Titanium grey instills a more minimalism train of thought. Beige is more of a "I just bought an Auris hybrid because I don't give a fig about cars" vibe.
chrisb92 said:
The MPG is terrible. I bet most people finance these anyway, so how much per month if you do 15k a year for finance plus fuel? I'd like to see it compared to a BMW 340i for price with all that considered. I'm assuming the tax is also rather steep in the Mustang. Not to mention the cheap looking interior.
I'd rather a well specced Audi S3/Golf R/M235i for 36/37 grand. I expect it'd be much cheaper motoring over a couple of years.
The Mustang does look cool though, I saw an all black one the other day and followed it for a bit and it did look nice (from the outside)!
Does anyone actually buy any of the cars above and worries about MPG? I would think not. I'd rather a well specced Audi S3/Golf R/M235i for 36/37 grand. I expect it'd be much cheaper motoring over a couple of years.
The Mustang does look cool though, I saw an all black one the other day and followed it for a bit and it did look nice (from the outside)!
How high do you think the day to day MPG of the Audi S3/ Golf R are. It's a lot lower than the claimed figures, unless your plan is to buy a fast car and drive everywhere doing 30mph in 6th gear.
As someone who has always wanted a Mustang, then I'm looking forwards to the day that supply balances demand and used prices get to "sensible" levels. They may be great value at £36K but for a toy that will depreciate then I can't justify a new one.
At £20k or so (how long? 3 yrs?) then I can get the Man maths to work. Would make a great 50th Birthday present to myself.
So right now I'm putting up with being sensible purgatory whilst I need a 6 seat family car and a second car our teenage son can get insured on (being sensible forced sale of E500 for a MINI Cooper D).
Best colours have to be Impact Blue, Grey and Green.
I wonder if the new tax rules will hit values of 2016 models (£500 Tax) hard?
Fortunately I walk to work so fuel costs at the moment aren't a consideration at present, having got 20mpg out of the Merc the Mustang sounds an improvement.
At £20k or so (how long? 3 yrs?) then I can get the Man maths to work. Would make a great 50th Birthday present to myself.
So right now I'm putting up with being sensible purgatory whilst I need a 6 seat family car and a second car our teenage son can get insured on (being sensible forced sale of E500 for a MINI Cooper D).
Best colours have to be Impact Blue, Grey and Green.
I wonder if the new tax rules will hit values of 2016 models (£500 Tax) hard?
Fortunately I walk to work so fuel costs at the moment aren't a consideration at present, having got 20mpg out of the Merc the Mustang sounds an improvement.
TheTyreAbuser said:
sumpoil said:
Has to be the R! - all the goodies as standard; electromagnetic suspension, carbon wheels and various other carbon bits, Pilot Cup Sports, Recaros, transmission oil coolers, no rear seat, cool rear spoiler and the piece de resistance, the active exhaust .... my God, the noise is epic! I want one really badly
Exactly, no half measures (except they do a rear seat package now too, so, semi-practical awesome noisy beast .... my God, the noise is epic! I want one really badly ). Price point wise I would think that the Ford's are cheaper but I have been wrong about the 350 once already. Ford site has it down for 50k USD but they seem to go for much more it seems.
J4CKO said:
Amazing how a 400 plus bhp car is rated as "not that fast" nowadays ?
I suppose it depends how much weight the car carries, my Cerbera always felt fast to me yet my V8 M3 didn't yet both had 400bhp.The Mustang is relatively heavy so will hide it's feeling of being fast I would think, I would still love one to bits though and I think it's brill that you can buy a N/A/RWD/manual/V8 motor in today's obsession with Auto's/DCT and Turbo's world, it's nice that it's a little old school I reckon.
yonex said:
What would one wear driving a Fiesta ST? Shell suit?
Do you see how ridiculous what you are saying is?
Yes. On purpose. Satire if you will. Do you see how ridiculous what you are saying is?
Though I like using people's preconceptions against them a lot of the time as they do look very confused as I get out of my ST
Nobody expects a massive hipster tosser in a fast ford it seems
cerb4.5lee said:
J4CKO said:
Amazing how a 400 plus bhp car is rated as "not that fast" nowadays ?
I suppose it depends how much weight the car carries, my Cerbera always felt fast to me yet my V8 M3 didn't yet both had 400bhp.The Mustang is relatively heavy so will hide it's feeling of being fast I would think, I would still love one to bits though and I think it's brill that you can buy a N/A/RWD/manual/V8 motor in today's obsession with Auto's/DCT and Turbo's world, it's nice that it's a little old school I reckon.
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