RE: Ford Mustang: UK Review

RE: Ford Mustang: UK Review

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HappyMidget

6,788 posts

114 months

Thursday 28th April 2016
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swerni said:
Really? It's that bad?

Let's face it, the mustang is underwhelming when it comes to vocals.
M4 sounds awful on stock exhaust. Sounds like there are spanners rattling round in the exhaust.

Edited by HappyMidget on Friday 29th April 00:10

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 29th April 2016
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300bhp/ton said:
So are these American cars temping you a bit these days? Are you in a part of the US where you can make use of cars like this?

Although if I'm perfectly honest, I'm not actually as keen on this new Mustang (or the Camaro), I don't actually like how they look getmecoat

If the Rousch was over here (UK) for sensible money I would have one tbh, I feel a bit cheated at the prices though. I still have a bit of a thing for the old SVT and always quite liked the look of them, crap inside though! I lived and worked in the US from 2000-2004 and drove all sorts, some utter crap and some that I liked. I have ended up in the standard 3 series and toy in the garage these days, but there's no getting away from the fun that they offer. The main issue is selling something that needs to be finished, it is not what the average buyer wants IMO

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Friday 29th April 2016
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yonex said:

If the Rousch was over here (UK) for sensible money I would have one tbh, I feel a bit cheated at the prices though. I still have a bit of a thing for the old SVT and always quite liked the look of them, crap inside though! I lived and worked in the US from 2000-2004 and drove all sorts, some utter crap and some that I liked. I have ended up in the standard 3 series and toy in the garage these days, but there's no getting away from the fun that they offer. The main issue is selling something that needs to be finished, it is not what the average buyer wants IMO
No not in the UK I agree. I think the modifying market is quite rampant in the USA though. Although maybe with a focus on classic metal more these days. As I think stock cars have gotten better and better.

For me the appeal was the value for the performance. Although the low end American performance car market seems somewhat to have vanished in the UK these days. I know the 4th Gen Fbody's don't appeal to everyone. Although there are few on here who have had them. And anyone that's had one seems to love them. I bought mine in 2003 for £6500. There really wasn't anything else for the money that could offer the same performance, a V8 and rwd. Today there are more cars for this money which are closer though. But the US cars cost the same or more these days and much less choice.

cerb4.5lee

30,188 posts

179 months

Friday 29th April 2016
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J4CKO said:
cerb4.5lee said:
J4CKO said:
Amazing how a 400 plus bhp car is rated as "not that fast" nowadays ?
I suppose it depends how much weight the car carries, my Cerbera always felt fast to me yet my V8 M3 didn't yet both had 400bhp.

The Mustang is relatively heavy so will hide it's feeling of being fast I would think, I would still love one to bits though and I think it's brill that you can buy a N/A/RWD/manual/V8 motor in today's obsession with Auto's/DCT and Turbo's world, it's nice that it's a little old school I reckon.
And what you are used to, my CLS still seems impressively fast to me, 388 bhp and 1850 kilos, to be honest it feels as quick as the Mustang GT I drove in the US.
Agree and I do think that it's what you are used to, I am guilty of it and have/had experience of 313bhp and 1800kg/360bhp and 2200kg and while I wouldn't say either were slow when you've had 400bhp and 1200kg that makes them feel it.

Weight hampers performance and the feel of a car in my eyes...yet the R35 GTR scuppers my theory somewhat though!

cerb4.5lee

30,188 posts

179 months

Friday 29th April 2016
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HappyMidget said:
swerni said:
Really? It's that bad?

Let's face it, the mustang is underwhelming when it comes to vocals.
M4 sounds awful on stock exhaust. Sounds like there are spanners rattling round in the exhaust.

Edited by HappyMidget on Friday 29th April 00:10
I recently test drove a M4 Convertible and I was expecting to hate the noise it made from everything I read on here and vids I've seen...but I liked it and it raised a pretty big smile...I need to hand my PH card in i think! smile

HappyMidget

6,788 posts

114 months

Friday 29th April 2016
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cerb4.5lee said:
I recently test drove a M4 Convertible and I was expecting to hate the noise it made from everything I read on here and vids I've seen...but I liked it and it raised a pretty big smile...I need to hand my PH card in i think! smile
I had always liked them on top gear etc, until the day my mate blasted past me in his M3. I thought something was wrong with his car. His M4 made me dislike them even more! I did have my off beat V8 by that point though. And nothing compares to that now.

Rjbell

152 posts

95 months

Friday 29th April 2016
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I thought it was quite in the other threads. All the VAGsturbaters are in here.



Edited by Rjbell on Friday 29th April 07:09

RossP

2,523 posts

282 months

Friday 29th April 2016
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kapiteinlangzaam said:
The M4 is 20k more expensive, its not a Mustang competitor.
Maybe, but this a Mustang article and I happened to have a video of my M4 at Santa Pod against said Mustang. Thought it might be of interest.... Never mind.

Soupr

21 posts

111 months

Friday 29th April 2016
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RossP said:
Maybe, but this a Mustang article and I happened to have a video of my M4 at Santa Pod against said Mustang. Thought it might be of interest.... Never mind.
It is of interest, but you stated that you whipped its ass. Colour me surprised that people were saying its not direct competition and quoting the GT350 as a fairer comparison.

Dave_ST220

10,288 posts

204 months

Friday 29th April 2016
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& there was me thinking this place was full of car enthusiasts.....

chrisb92

1,051 posts

123 months

Friday 29th April 2016
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ChunkyloverSV said:
chrisb92 said:
The MPG is terrible. I bet most people finance these anyway, so how much per month if you do 15k a year for finance plus fuel? I'd like to see it compared to a BMW 340i for price with all that considered. I'm assuming the tax is also rather steep in the Mustang. Not to mention the cheap looking interior.

I'd rather a well specced Audi S3/Golf R/M235i for 36/37 grand. I expect it'd be much cheaper motoring over a couple of years.

The Mustang does look cool though, I saw an all black one the other day and followed it for a bit and it did look nice (from the outside)!
Does anyone actually buy any of the cars above and worries about MPG? I would think not.

How high do you think the day to day MPG of the Audi S3/ Golf R are. It's a lot lower than the claimed figures, unless your plan is to buy a fast car and drive everywhere doing 30mph in 6th gear.
You're missing my point. The only reason I posted that is that the article, and several others, have banged on about how cheap it is and I just decided to point out the terrible MPG compared to some competitors that cost slightly more to buy/finance making them not as great value for money as you might first think.

I don't care about MPG. I do rather high mileage and average mid to late 20's. I'm just saying if you total finance + day to day running costs then I'm sure something as quick but more luxurious would be available.

Obviously I'm not the target audience for a Mustang.

Troubleatmill

10,210 posts

158 months

Friday 29th April 2016
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Soupr said:
RossP said:
Maybe, but this a Mustang article and I happened to have a video of my M4 at Santa Pod against said Mustang. Thought it might be of interest.... Never mind.
It is of interest, but you stated that you whipped its ass. Colour me surprised that people were saying its not direct competition and quoting the GT350 as a fairer comparison.
^ Exactly this.

Bladedancer

1,260 posts

195 months

Friday 29th April 2016
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PanzerCommander said:
Bladedancer said:
But you are at a mercy of a computer that may not do what you'd like it to do.
If I put mine in third for example it stays there, it will not shift up or down, it will bang into the rev limiter until the computer yells "ENOUGH" and shuts the car off.
That is just one aspect.
Auto box will think before shifting even if you prod it using paddle shift or whatever.

RossP

2,523 posts

282 months

Friday 29th April 2016
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Soupr said:
RossP said:
Maybe, but this a Mustang article and I happened to have a video of my M4 at Santa Pod against said Mustang. Thought it might be of interest.... Never mind.
It is of interest, but you stated that you whipped its ass. Colour me surprised that people were saying its not direct competition and quoting the GT350 as a fairer comparison.
I didn't have a video of a GT350 vs a Mustang...

M4 and Mustang are both around 420hp so thought it was a reasonable comparison TBH. It's not all about the cash. The PH guys were quite keen to pitch the Mustang against the M4 to see how it fared.

Seems some of you lot are just out to argue about stuff. It used to be fun in here...

Edited by RossP on Friday 29th April 10:16

Buff Mchugelarge

3,316 posts

149 months

Friday 29th April 2016
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Bright yellow. Tick.
V8. Tick
Does Burnouts. Tick
I'm sure there's something else to look for in a car but for now it's perfect.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Friday 29th April 2016
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Bladedancer said:
PanzerCommander said:
Bladedancer said:
But you are at a mercy of a computer that may not do what you'd like it to do.
If I put mine in third for example it stays there, it will not shift up or down, it will bang into the rev limiter until the computer yells "ENOUGH" and shuts the car off.
That is just one aspect.
Auto box will think before shifting even if you prod it using paddle shift or whatever.
Funny, I though you had to think to shift a manual car too... and then you have the time it takes to actually shift, which will be slower than an automatic.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Friday 29th April 2016
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RossP said:
Soupr said:
RossP said:
Maybe, but this a Mustang article and I happened to have a video of my M4 at Santa Pod against said Mustang. Thought it might be of interest.... Never mind.
It is of interest, but you stated that you whipped its ass. Colour me surprised that people were saying its not direct competition and quoting the GT350 as a fairer comparison.
I didn't have a video of a GT350 vs a Mustang...

M4 and Mustang are both around 420hp so thought it was a reasonable comparison TBH. It's not all about the cash. The PH guys were quite keen to pitch the Mustang against the M4 to see how it fared.

Seems some of you lot are just out to argue about stuff. It used to be fun in here...

Edited by RossP on Friday 29th April 10:16
It does seem a UK fascination to always pitch American performance cars against much more expensive Euro metal, with the claim that the American car then gets beaten.

Ok it can be fun, but really it's rather pointless. It's not as if every M4 review you then see it being pitched against a top end Ferrari or Zonda, which is essentially the same sort of thing.

Yeah the M4 is quicker, but honestly, no st Sherlock, it f'ing well should be for the money.

I suspect a 420i is more the price of the Mustang, and they have 184hp, so maybe we should setup a drag race for these two instead. Would be much more useful.

Pommygranite

14,229 posts

215 months

Friday 29th April 2016
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300bhp/ton said:
RossP said:
Soupr said:
RossP said:
Maybe, but this a Mustang article and I happened to have a video of my M4 at Santa Pod against said Mustang. Thought it might be of interest.... Never mind.
It is of interest, but you stated that you whipped its ass. Colour me surprised that people were saying its not direct competition and quoting the GT350 as a fairer comparison.
I didn't have a video of a GT350 vs a Mustang...

M4 and Mustang are both around 420hp so thought it was a reasonable comparison TBH. It's not all about the cash. The PH guys were quite keen to pitch the Mustang against the M4 to see how it fared.

Seems some of you lot are just out to argue about stuff. It used to be fun in here...

Edited by RossP on Friday 29th April 10:16
It does seem a UK fascination to always pitch American performance cars against much more expensive Euro metal, with the claim that the American car then gets beaten.

Ok it can be fun, but really it's rather pointless. It's not as if every M4 review you then see it being pitched against a top end Ferrari or Zonda, which is essentially the same sort of thing.

Yeah the M4 is quicker, but honestly, no st Sherlock, it f'ing well should be for the money.

I suspect a 420i is more the price of the Mustang, and they have 184hp, so maybe we should setup a drag race for these two instead. Would be much more useful.
Good test... For the mustang wink

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vz-r_dave

3,469 posts

217 months

Friday 29th April 2016
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Soupr said:
RossP said:
Maybe, but this a Mustang article and I happened to have a video of my M4 at Santa Pod against said Mustang. Thought it might be of interest.... Never mind.
It is of interest, but you stated that you whipped its ass. Colour me surprised that people were saying its not direct competition and quoting the GT350 as a fairer comparison.
And not once did the M4 driver acknowledge that fact....... its a comparison but not a fair one that's for sure.


RobGT81

5,227 posts

185 months

Friday 29th April 2016
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Pommygranite said:
laugh The price difference between the Mustang and the other two. Half the price!