RE: Ford Mustang: UK Review
Discussion
300bhp/ton said:
RossP said:
Soupr said:
RossP said:
Maybe, but this a Mustang article and I happened to have a video of my M4 at Santa Pod against said Mustang. Thought it might be of interest.... Never mind.
It is of interest, but you stated that you whipped its ass. Colour me surprised that people were saying its not direct competition and quoting the GT350 as a fairer comparison.M4 and Mustang are both around 420hp so thought it was a reasonable comparison TBH. It's not all about the cash. The PH guys were quite keen to pitch the Mustang against the M4 to see how it fared.
Seems some of you lot are just out to argue about stuff. It used to be fun in here...
Edited by RossP on Friday 29th April 10:16
Ok it can be fun, but really it's rather pointless. It's not as if every M4 review you then see it being pitched against a top end Ferrari or Zonda, which is essentially the same sort of thing.
Yeah the M4 is quicker, but honestly, no s
t Sherlock, it f'ing well should be for the money.I suspect a 420i is more the price of the Mustang, and they have 184hp, so maybe we should setup a drag race for these two instead. Would be much more useful.
RobGT81 said:
Pommygranite said:
The price difference between the Mustang and the other two. Half the price! 300bhp/ton said:
RossP said:
Soupr said:
RossP said:
Maybe, but this a Mustang article and I happened to have a video of my M4 at Santa Pod against said Mustang. Thought it might be of interest.... Never mind.
It is of interest, but you stated that you whipped its ass. Colour me surprised that people were saying its not direct competition and quoting the GT350 as a fairer comparison.M4 and Mustang are both around 420hp so thought it was a reasonable comparison TBH. It's not all about the cash. The PH guys were quite keen to pitch the Mustang against the M4 to see how it fared.
Seems some of you lot are just out to argue about stuff. It used to be fun in here...
Edited by RossP on Friday 29th April 10:16
Ok it can be fun, but really it's rather pointless. It's not as if every M4 review you then see it being pitched against a top end Ferrari or Zonda, which is essentially the same sort of thing.
Yeah the M4 is quicker, but honestly, no s
t Sherlock, it f'ing well should be for the money.I suspect a 420i is more the price of the Mustang, and they have 184hp, so maybe we should setup a drag race for these two instead. Would be much more useful.
The cost is immaterial as they have similar performance and are pitched at the same market.
It would have been more interesting to see the result with 2 drivers of the same drag strip ability.
HD Adam said:
300bhp/ton said:
RossP said:
Soupr said:
RossP said:
Maybe, but this a Mustang article and I happened to have a video of my M4 at Santa Pod against said Mustang. Thought it might be of interest.... Never mind.
It is of interest, but you stated that you whipped its ass. Colour me surprised that people were saying its not direct competition and quoting the GT350 as a fairer comparison.M4 and Mustang are both around 420hp so thought it was a reasonable comparison TBH. It's not all about the cash. The PH guys were quite keen to pitch the Mustang against the M4 to see how it fared.
Seems some of you lot are just out to argue about stuff. It used to be fun in here...
Edited by RossP on Friday 29th April 10:16
Ok it can be fun, but really it's rather pointless. It's not as if every M4 review you then see it being pitched against a top end Ferrari or Zonda, which is essentially the same sort of thing.
Yeah the M4 is quicker, but honestly, no s
t Sherlock, it f'ing well should be for the money.I suspect a 420i is more the price of the Mustang, and they have 184hp, so maybe we should setup a drag race for these two instead. Would be much more useful.
The cost is immaterial as they have similar performance and are pitched at the same market.
It would have been more interesting to see the result with 2 drivers of the same drag strip ability.
Pommygranite said:
Interesting looking at the fuel economy figures (I'm assuming the cars were being driven hard)Ford combined official = 20.9 mpg... Actual = 14.9
Lexus combined official = 26.2mpg... Actual = 14.2
BMW combined official = 32mpg... Actual = 18.9
HD Adam said:
300bhp/ton said:
RossP said:
Soupr said:
RossP said:
Maybe, but this a Mustang article and I happened to have a video of my M4 at Santa Pod against said Mustang. Thought it might be of interest.... Never mind.
It is of interest, but you stated that you whipped its ass. Colour me surprised that people were saying its not direct competition and quoting the GT350 as a fairer comparison.M4 and Mustang are both around 420hp so thought it was a reasonable comparison TBH. It's not all about the cash. The PH guys were quite keen to pitch the Mustang against the M4 to see how it fared.
Seems some of you lot are just out to argue about stuff. It used to be fun in here...
Edited by RossP on Friday 29th April 10:16
Ok it can be fun, but really it's rather pointless. It's not as if every M4 review you then see it being pitched against a top end Ferrari or Zonda, which is essentially the same sort of thing.
Yeah the M4 is quicker, but honestly, no s
t Sherlock, it f'ing well should be for the money.I suspect a 420i is more the price of the Mustang, and they have 184hp, so maybe we should setup a drag race for these two instead. Would be much more useful.
The cost is immaterial as they have similar performance and are pitched at the same market.
It would have been more interesting to see the result with 2 drivers of the same drag strip ability.
Their price determines their market not their body style, engine and drive configuration.
I live in Oz, I've just ordered a Mustang. It's $69k. A new M4 is $160k, the cheapest 2nd hand one is $120k.
If I had $150k I wouldn't even look at the Mustang. I don't so I don't even look at the M4.
The cars I have looked at as they are around the price (+-$10k):
BMW 428
Golf R
Lexus RC350
HSV Clubsport
FPV GT
Audi S3
Merc A45 AMG
I didn't set out thinking I need a RWD coupe with a big engine. I set out thinking I was a quick car with a bit of 'it' for under $80k
Most people buy on budget not on spec.
Agreed r.e. buying on budget. But who said we were looking at comparisons purely for buying purposes???
Surely its mildly interesting at least to compare one 400ishbhp rear drive coupe to another 400ishbhp rear drive coupe? Even ifs just to prove that the Mustang is good value?
FWIW I considered the Mustang and the M4 when I was buying. I really like the Mustang but there were a few boxes that it didn't tick for me.
Surely its mildly interesting at least to compare one 400ishbhp rear drive coupe to another 400ishbhp rear drive coupe? Even ifs just to prove that the Mustang is good value?
FWIW I considered the Mustang and the M4 when I was buying. I really like the Mustang but there were a few boxes that it didn't tick for me.
RossP said:
I didn't have a video of a GT350 vs a Mustang...
M4 and Mustang are both around 420hp so thought it was a reasonable comparison TBH. It's not all about the cash. The PH guys were quite keen to pitch the Mustang against the M4 to see how it fared.
Seems some of you lot are just out to argue about stuff. It used to be fun in here...
In fairness Ross, using your similar power analogy, you could have gone up against a kit car woth 420hp and it would have whipped you. Power to weight. Though it was intersting that the Mustang launched better, but seemed to run out of puff a bit (or mseey gearchange).M4 and Mustang are both around 420hp so thought it was a reasonable comparison TBH. It's not all about the cash. The PH guys were quite keen to pitch the Mustang against the M4 to see how it fared.
Seems some of you lot are just out to argue about stuff. It used to be fun in here...
Edited by RossP on Friday 29th April 10:16
Anyway, it was an interesting comparison, but not necessarily a fair one.
M4 is a fine car - but you also pay for it. Spend half the differntial, say a supercharger, on performance mods for the Mustang (of which there are many) and the situation would be reversed.
Did you really expect any other response given the provocative nature of your original post?
Pommygranite said:
On the fourth page, the one with all three cars going up the road, anyone know what road that is?Thanks.
djone101 said:
We've done just that recently - Whipple supercharger for around £8,000 fitted gets you 644bhp and 673Nm
There's a vid here about fitting the whipple https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sROVXsApZuQ but the graph seems to suggest they're even raising the rev limiter to get those kind of numbers. I know the coyote is supposed to be fairly under-stressed as stock but jeez...There is absolutely nothing wrong with comparing an M4 to a Mustang and the apologists should know that.
The reason is that GM have made a 200lb lighter Camaro SS which can match and beat the M4 at the same price level as the Mustang GT.
This is a plain SS not a Z28 or 1LE.
It's a shame that GM didn't decide to take on the UK market.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D87tO7VUs2I
The reason is that GM have made a 200lb lighter Camaro SS which can match and beat the M4 at the same price level as the Mustang GT.
This is a plain SS not a Z28 or 1LE.
It's a shame that GM didn't decide to take on the UK market.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D87tO7VUs2I
LuS1fer said:
GM have made a 200lb lighter Camaro SS which can match and beat the M4 at the same price level as the Mustang GT. This is a plain SS not a Z28 or 1LE. It's a shame that GM didn't decide to take on the UK market.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D87tO7VUs2I
Of course I agree with you that bringing one or more of the current Camaro versions to the UK would have been a fabulous idea. Preferably in RHD (but better LHD than none at all). And if I've neglected to say so earlier, I do enjoy your posts here and elsewhere.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D87tO7VUs2I
However... It must be said that this thread has dredged up a lot of inaccurate and negative comments about the new Mustang. And about the current quality of pony cars in general. Can't say I blame the US manufacturers for staying away for the most part.
Total rest-of-world sales (ie: sales outside the US) of the new Mustang have been projected to be around 10 percent of the US figure. With US sales anticipated at approximately 100,000 units annually, that leaves us somewhere in the neighbourhood of 10,000 cars for the rest of the world. Probably a bit higher in the first year.
A tremendous effort by Ford. Very likely an exercise in brand building and traffic building (on the forecourt... to spur sales of cars other than the Mustang).
In contrast to this, the managers at Chevrolet have no brand to burnish in Europe; the Camaro would be even more of a niche product. It's a good thing that the UK has rather liberal regulations on the personal importation of grey market vehicles. Any PH'er wanting a current generation Camaro can certainly have one.
Stig said:
swerni said:
I'd rather have a TVR.
Do I offset you?
You've got a TVR!Do I offset you?
Don't make me start making leaf spring jibes about your 'vette
Those leaf springs?
Fill your boots
unsprung said:
I do enjoy your posts here and elsewhere.
However... It must be said that this thread has dredged up a lot of inaccurate and negative comments about the new Mustang. And about the current quality of pony cars in general. Can't say I blame the US manufacturers for staying away for the most part.
Thanks.However... It must be said that this thread has dredged up a lot of inaccurate and negative comments about the new Mustang. And about the current quality of pony cars in general. Can't say I blame the US manufacturers for staying away for the most part.
The quality thing is largely a load of rubbish. As I have previously mentioned, my 3rd gen Camaro had the worst "quality" interior ever and yet still managed to last 18 years. By contrast, I've seen "quality" BMWs with bits falling off after 10 years or less.
My 2005 Mustang is often said to be terrible but I can't say I've noticed, it has leather seats and plastics but so do most cars.
In fact, I often look in many European cars and think they lack a lot more quality.
My current 2013 Fiesta ST is quite lamentable in the quality stakes and that would be no reason for buying one - but it's great value and that is why they sell.
I confess I am no fan of the S550 looks and I fair quiver at some of the cars I've seen, notably a black convertible with black wheels and a horrendous beige interior and I'm not a fan of the interior design but the plastics don't bother me.
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