RE: Ford Mustang: UK Review
Discussion
I would imagine their UK targets are pretty low and maybe artificially restricted in an attempt to keep interest and residuals higher. It's often better to have more demand than cars available, than the other way round, unless you are talking vast quantities.
That said, on my daily commute, I'm surprised at how many RHD Mustangs I've seen in such a short period of time. Obviously this means little in real numbers. But I do try and make an effort to be observant. Think I've seen more RHD Mustangs, than I've seen 5th Gen Camaro's over the past 5-6 years.
That said, on my daily commute, I'm surprised at how many RHD Mustangs I've seen in such a short period of time. Obviously this means little in real numbers. But I do try and make an effort to be observant. Think I've seen more RHD Mustangs, than I've seen 5th Gen Camaro's over the past 5-6 years.
kambites said:
What's their production capacity and the balance of domestic to overseas allocation?
It was always going to sell well in large parts of the world, I'm just curious as to what their sales targets for the UK are.
Well that's a different set of questions.It was always going to sell well in large parts of the world, I'm just curious as to what their sales targets for the UK are.
What's your point?
kambites said:
Pommygranite said:
Well that's a different set of questions.
What's your point?
Nothing beyond the fact that I'm curious as to what the level of demand for this sort of car is in the UK. Is one not allowed to express an interest in the car markets on Pistonheads anymore? What's your point?
Then when that's answered the question is about domestic demand production levels.
So you are setting out loaded questions to go down a path that somehow somewhere will prove no one wants one.
Well in the UK the waiting list is 12 months.
In Australia the waiting list is 18 months.
In the USA it's been the top spelling 'sports coupe' 14 months in a row with 7500 sales alone January 2016 alone.
Yes people are buying them.
Hope that answers your question
300bhp/ton said:
I would imagine their UK targets are pretty low and maybe artificially restricted in an attempt to keep interest and residuals higher. It's often better to have more demand than cars available, than the other way round, unless you are talking vast quantities.
That said, on my daily commute, I'm surprised at how many RHD Mustangs I've seen in such a short period of time. Obviously this means little in real numbers. But I do try and make an effort to be observant. Think I've seen more RHD Mustangs, than I've seen 5th Gen Camaro's over the past 5-6 years.
Given the historical stigma of American LHD cars in UK society, I would guess that rather than restricting numbers and appearing to still be a 'specialist tool' for a chap who wanted to be American they may take the approach that the more these are seen sitting in car parks the quicker that stigma will wear off and the more mainstream buyer will appear. That said, on my daily commute, I'm surprised at how many RHD Mustangs I've seen in such a short period of time. Obviously this means little in real numbers. But I do try and make an effort to be observant. Think I've seen more RHD Mustangs, than I've seen 5th Gen Camaro's over the past 5-6 years.
I think it is fair to say that at this point in time there will still be a fair few potential buyers who love the concept but want absolutely nothing at all to do with the historical image of dressing up at the weekends like Willy Nelson and living in the same bedroom you had as a child. Once you see some dark coloured ones parked at Waitrose then you'll know it's all sorted.
PanzerCommander said:
HD Adam said:
When the original thread was on here a few weeks ago and PH said they would be taking it to Santa Pod, I asked numerous times what their E.T. and speed were, saying that I had seen stockers run anything from 12.6 to 13.2 over here in the US.
Never did get an answer so I can only put it down to that PH had a particularly crap driver that day and are embarrassed to post their time slips.
Drag strips give you a number of factors to contend with, the first is the track its self. On a RWYB it will not be prepped. I know from racing that it can make anything from five hundredths to a tenth of a second difference.Never did get an answer so I can only put it down to that PH had a particularly crap driver that day and are embarrassed to post their time slips.
In drag racing terms the 2016 Mustang is actually quite low powered and the 4 ft difference (uphill) from start to finish at Santa Pod will play a part - York Raceway is flat from start to finish and would have been a better place to test it.
Weather conditions, temperature, humidity, pressure (density altitude), wind etc. all play a part in degrading or improving a car's performance. I was at Santa Pod last weekend racing in the SPRC Sportsman ET championship in my 2006 GT Auto the quickest time I clocked during qualifying was 13.37 @ 99mph, I had 13.22@ 102 at Santa Pod and 13.09 @ 103 at York raceway last year, a 2 degree Fahrenheit rise in temperature can knock a hundredth of a second off my ET!
I'd expect 2 or 3 tenths different depending on conditions so a new V8 should be running probably 13.2-13.3 on a crappy track of you have to pedal it off the line.
But where's the results from the PH car?
Why do journalists spend so much time rubbing dashboards? When did it start?
Surely you generally touch:
The wheel
The gear stick
The door handles
Occasionally the stereo, window switches and the odd traction control button or what have you.
What is the need for everything to be soft touch? What does that even mean? That the plastic has a bit of a squidge to it? Is that really so important that you, a purported 'Pistonhead' would go nah, sod that 5 litre V8, I want that s
t 2 litre diesel with the squidgy dash mouldings...
Was it Clarkson that started this? Scratching at sun visors and dashboards saying about how cheap a Corvette felt or something?
Or is it just an excuse to cover your concern of what the neighbours will think if instead of a grey executive box you turn up in a bright yellow redneck-mobile with a fking smile on your face?
Oh god no, we have to be so business, everything is about business and company car parks and being a thrusting young executive with an Iphone. ps off and have some actual fun instead of constantly instagramming every 17 seconds of your pointless existence desperately seeking to understand if you're doing it right based on the number of fking likes you get. Drive a Mustang, put a loud exhaust on it, do a fking rolling burnout out of your office on a Friday afternoon and have some fun before you're buried in that stty suit.
Or, you know, get a diesel 3 series, save lots on your tax and fuel costs and keep your house and job
Surely you generally touch:
The wheel
The gear stick
The door handles
Occasionally the stereo, window switches and the odd traction control button or what have you.
What is the need for everything to be soft touch? What does that even mean? That the plastic has a bit of a squidge to it? Is that really so important that you, a purported 'Pistonhead' would go nah, sod that 5 litre V8, I want that s
t 2 litre diesel with the squidgy dash mouldings...Was it Clarkson that started this? Scratching at sun visors and dashboards saying about how cheap a Corvette felt or something?
Or is it just an excuse to cover your concern of what the neighbours will think if instead of a grey executive box you turn up in a bright yellow redneck-mobile with a f
king smile on your face?Oh god no, we have to be so business, everything is about business and company car parks and being a thrusting young executive with an Iphone. p
s off and have some actual fun instead of constantly instagramming every 17 seconds of your pointless existence desperately seeking to understand if you're doing it right based on the number of fking likes you get. Drive a Mustang, put a loud exhaust on it, do a fking rolling burnout out of your office on a Friday afternoon and have some fun before you're buried in that stty suit.Or, you know, get a diesel 3 series, save lots on your tax and fuel costs and keep your house and job
swisstoni said:
kambites said:
skyrover said:
Ford has payed a blinder IMO
I think the Europeans have forgotten what makes a car appealing.
The question is whether anyone will actually buy it. I think the Europeans have forgotten what makes a car appealing.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/08/autos/ford-mustang...
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/news/a2884...
http://www.caradvice.com.au/434387/ford-mustang-is...
I have had mine for about 6 weeks. Competition Orange + Auto.
There is a lot to like about the car. Things like the climate, keyless gubbins, loads of room in the boot, the heat/cool seats etc.
I have removed the rear silencers which makes it sound a bit good!
It is a car that gets a LOT of attention everywhere I go.
It is fairly quick - but not as quick as I would expect.
The steering is awful. No feeling at all, but I have some adjustable top mounts coming so I can play with the camber/castor settings. I wouldn't want to do a track day as it is impossible to feel what the front end is doing. Not a great idea when taking Paddock Bend at speed!
Stock Pirelli tyres are pretty duff - but I guess for the price etc etc.
I cannot say that I find it really exciting, just a pleasant car. With a tiny petrol tank.
There is a lot to like about the car. Things like the climate, keyless gubbins, loads of room in the boot, the heat/cool seats etc.
I have removed the rear silencers which makes it sound a bit good!
It is a car that gets a LOT of attention everywhere I go.
It is fairly quick - but not as quick as I would expect.
The steering is awful. No feeling at all, but I have some adjustable top mounts coming so I can play with the camber/castor settings. I wouldn't want to do a track day as it is impossible to feel what the front end is doing. Not a great idea when taking Paddock Bend at speed!
Stock Pirelli tyres are pretty duff - but I guess for the price etc etc.
I cannot say that I find it really exciting, just a pleasant car. With a tiny petrol tank.
SturdyHSV said:
Why do journalists spend so much time rubbing dashboards? When did it start?
Beats me but when we posted our review of the BMW M2 PHers in the comments thread seemed a lot more fixated about how 'boring' the interior was and how rubbish they thought the seats were than they were in the oversteer-friendly handling and big straight-six motor. So I thought I'd better cover that off in the Mustang review so we could talk about the more interesting stuff, like how it drives! Nowt so queer as folk, etc.
Cheers!
Dan
HD Adam said:
I understand that and have raced at plenty of RWYB's before.
I'd expect 2 or 3 tenths different depending on conditions so a new V8 should be running probably 13.2-13.3 on a crappy track of you have to pedal it off the line.
But where's the results from the PH car?
Maybe Ford have said PH aren't allowed to say? Shame really, as you can't keep this sort of thing quiet I'd expect 2 or 3 tenths different depending on conditions so a new V8 should be running probably 13.2-13.3 on a crappy track of you have to pedal it off the line.
But where's the results from the PH car?
Based on this pic, I think it's safe to say the PH Mustang was car number 99:
So it's public knowledge what times they ran:
First run:
Second run:
Third run:
Fourth run:
Those 60' times give some credence to the notion that burnouts on street tyres don't help much. That or it was some deliberate fast and furious showboating spinning the wheels all the way down the track
For reference, it's an American website, so the date format is arse backwards, 04/03 is 'April 3rd' as they say
Dan Trent said:
SturdyHSV said:
Why do journalists spend so much time rubbing dashboards? When did it start?
Beats me but when we posted our review of the BMW M2 PHers in the comments thread seemed a lot more fixated about how 'boring' the interior was and how rubbish they thought the seats were than they were in the oversteer-friendly handling and big straight-six motor. So I thought I'd better cover that off in the Mustang review so we could talk about the more interesting stuff, like how it drives! Nowt so queer as folk, etc.
Cheers!
Dan
You're right though, you've got to give the public what it wants, so really, we're all to blame!
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