Shall we have a PH Top 100 - Best 4wd performance cars

[k-ink]

It's all come full circle now anyway. V12s are dead and turbos are in.

[Penguinracer]

It blazed the trail from 1980 - 1991.

[Coatesy351]

ess said:

Another vote for the Lancia Delta S4.
Allegedly lapped by Henri Toivonen at Estoril in 1986 in a time that would have put him 6th on the grid for the GP that year.

Edited by ess on Saturday 30th April 07:36

Which could not be anywhere near true as 1986 was the last year of unrestricted boost in F1 So 1000+ hp in a 550kg single seater vs 500hp in a 900 kg rally car. As much as I love group B no chance it could be that fast.

[Veeayt]

E24man said:

The C4 276bhp 4.2 V8 Avant was known as the 'S4 Plus' and also 'S6 Plus' during its run from '92 to '94, pre-dating the 1994 introduced RS2.

Sorry, but that's not true. The pre-facelift is referred to simply as S4 or by nickname urS4, S6 was 286bhp and S6 Plus was 322bhp special, built only in late '96 to '97. 855 estates and 97 saloons.

[EnglishTony]

Stuart70 said:

Leins said:

EnglishTony said:

Some more to make up the numbers.

Mercedes-Benz 190 Evo.
Alfa Romeo 33 Sportwagen Q4
BMW X6M
Audi 90 Quattro
Jaguar X Type

190 Evo? Don't recall even the more regular 190s having 4Matic, although there were some W124s

Agreed. I don't recall a 190 ever being 4wd. Anyone?

I suspect it was only the DTM cars that were

[stuttgartmetal]

[Leins]

EnglishTony said:

Stuart70 said:

Leins said:

EnglishTony said:

Some more to make up the numbers.

Mercedes-Benz 190 Evo.
Alfa Romeo 33 Sportwagen Q4
BMW X6M
Audi 90 Quattro
Jaguar X Type

190 Evo? Don't recall even the more regular 190s having 4Matic, although there were some W124s

Agreed. I don't recall a 190 ever being 4wd. Anyone?

I suspect it was only the DTM cars that were

Were they? That's a new one on me. Did they experiment with it at some stage once the Audi V8s entered? I'd have thought they would have had to homologate the same

Veeayt said:

The pre-facelift is referred to simply as S4 or by nickname urS4, S6 was 286bhp and S6 Plus was 322bhp special, built only in late '96 to '97. 855 estates and 97 saloons.

Never seen one in the flesh - that's one cool car you've got

Edited by Leins on Saturday 30th April 19:07

[themanwithnoname]

Dan Trent said:

I've got personal interest in this thread. And I put my money where my mouth is!

Cheers,

Dan

Edited by Dan Trent on Thursday 28th April 14:29

MDMA . said:

I like a bit of 4wd action so will put up my previous and current car :



FSTI -

I'm going to third that motion

[mark.c]

Some great cars mentioned on here, loving the fast Audis and Intergrale.

For me I would like to think my old girl is still a bit useful

[EnglishTony]

Re the DTM

Once Audi and BMW had left Opel and Alfa entered with 4WD cars they'd homogolated. I see no reason why an existing entrant wouldn't use 4WD. That said the rules allowed 2.5 litre 6 cylinder motors and I don't think Mercedes-Benz changed from their 4 cylinder Cosworth.

[stuttgartmetal]

Loving the ducts

[mark.c]

Thanks Stuttgart, they're factory and one of my favourite bits

[Leins]

That's one serious motor there Mark, love it!

[E24man]

Veeayt said:

E24man said:

The C4 276bhp 4.2 V8 Avant was known as the 'S4 Plus' and also 'S6 Plus' during its run from '92 to '94, pre-dating the 1994 introduced RS2.

Sorry, but that's not true. The pre-facelift is referred to simply as S4 or by nickname urS4, S6 was 286bhp and S6 Plus was 322bhp special, built only in late '96 to '97. 855 estates and 97 saloons.

Happy to be corrected. My Audi Avant experience was limited to a 2.8 V6 80 with a load of S2 and RS2 goodies but I was always close to buying an S2, then an S4, then an S6 then nearly an RS6 but I veered toward Buchloe and never looked back.

[mark.c]

Leins said:

That's one serious motor there Mark, love it!

Thanks mate

[k-ink]

Incredible 993. Depressingly out of range now!

[Veeayt]

Leins said:

Never seen one in the flesh - that's one cool car you've got

Edited by Leins on Saturday 30th April 19:07

Thanks Leins.

CPC just made their own list of 10 best 4wd cars. http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/audi/quatt...
Not sure why Jensen made the list though

[BlackPrince]

I'm partial to the Impreza/NotImpreza WRX STI, but then I am biased

The Evo's probably better though in the corners, though the offbeat H4 burble more than compensates.

I'd love an R35 GTR next, but think it may feel a bit anodyne after my car (though monumentally faster)

[FeelingLucky]

AdamIndy said:

Metro 6R4. Again, so ugly it's cool. A jag V6 in the arse end of a metro? Just nuts!

In what sense did it have a Jag v6 in it's MIDDLE?

[daveinhampshire]

FeelingLucky said:

AdamIndy said:

Metro 6R4. Again, so ugly it's cool. A jag V6 in the arse end of a metro? Just nuts!

In what sense did it have a Jag v6 in it's MIDDLE?

They're kind of right. The 6R4 engine was based on the Rover V8 with two cylinders chopped off and very heavily revised. It eventually ended up in the XJ220 after being completely revised again. And to confuse things even more the metr 6r4 was in fact a maestro floorpan if memory serves.