RE: McLaren F1: You Know You Want To
Discussion
Artey said:
Was there any other car in history that despite being a sales flop became an icon, mainly thanks to unbelievable amount of hype?
Probably quite a lot of sought after Ferraris among many other makes - the ones that were sold before an unbelievable amount of hype about limited editions and availability. The context of the time the car was sold has to be taken into account in relation to the sales achieved - look how Jaguar struggled to sell the XJ220 and Bugatti the EB110 around the same time. Plus the fact that Mercedes allegedly paid McLaren to stop making them as they didn't want their F1 partner having a supply deal with their main competitor for road car engines.
andyps said:
LotusOmega375D said:
Why is McLaren selling it? Is it on behalf of another owner, or do they just need the cash?
I read it that they are selling on behalf of an owner. What is relatively unusual is that it is being sold through the factory rather than a dealer.RDMcG said:
:Love it, infinitely beyond my means, but if I could afford it I would drive the wheels off. I would not buy a car like this as an investment but as an experience, and if I could afford it I could afford the depreciation too.
Surely that would be similar to that binman chav buying a flash house and turning it into a banger racing track. He could have and should have made a tidy profit on the house instead of making it and his neighbours house worth less. But I guess thats why billionaires tend to be billionaires and millionaires come and go.Not having a pop, but no one in their right mind would buy this car to drive. People with that sort of wealth tend to be driven around by others and in private jets/helicopters.
castex said:
Tony, do you like driving cars or just owning them?
Not having a pop!
I'd buy a higher milage one to drive tbh, would be cheaper to buy and you know its not been sat around for ages (ok, I know this will probably be very highly maintained by Mclaren).Not having a pop!
Its one of the reasons I'd never buy a low milage car from an older person, its most likely been no higher than 25mph and at higher revs too. First motorway trip and you'll end up pushing it home.
Maldini35 said:
It must have been the later part of the 90s (I think 97?) that I was down at goodwood and watched the orange LM edition do a standing start as it took off up the hill climb. From that second on, my desire was cemented. Amazing noise. Your video just reminded me. The launch was the same back then as the one you posted :-).
:thumbsup:
Edited by Steven_RW - I have been debating if that is an LM or a GTR that I saw. Video evidence would say LM
Edited by Steven_RW on Sunday 1st May 00:59
Tony Starks said:
RDMcG said:
:Love it, infinitely beyond my means, but if I could afford it I would drive the wheels off. I would not buy a car like this as an investment but as an experience, and if I could afford it I could afford the depreciation too.
Surely that would be similar to that binman chav buying a flash house and turning it into a banger racing track. He could have and should have made a tidy profit on the house instead of making it and his neighbours house worth less. But I guess thats why billionaires tend to be billionaires and millionaires come and go.Not having a pop, but no one in their right mind would buy this car to drive. People with that sort of wealth tend to be driven around by others and in private jets/helicopters.
As for it being too low mileage to use, if you were in the market for a McF1 to drive and this was the only one available in the market then you just would. How long would you have to wait for another one to come along of suitable mileage and condition that you wouldn't feel guilty about using it? Some people are just far too precious about these things.
Tony Starks said:
RDMcG said:
:Love it, infinitely beyond my means, but if I could afford it I would drive the wheels off. I would not buy a car like this as an investment but as an experience, and if I could afford it I could afford the depreciation too.
Surely that would be similar to that binman chav buying a flash house and turning it into a banger racing track. He could have and should have made a tidy profit on the house instead of making it and his neighbours house worth less. But I guess thats why billionaires tend to be billionaires and millionaires come and go.Not having a pop, but no one in their right mind would buy this car to drive. People with that sort of wealth tend to be driven around by others and in private jets/helicopters.
(just my opinion obviously) On a much, much lesser scale I see this with E30 M3. There are so few now that get driven (let alone spanked) and their value is the first thing people speak about. It's more about investment potential than driving experience and they end up being priced out from the average enthusiast.
greenarrow said:
How is the McLaren F1 NOT legendary?
Audi TTRS. Init. Bro. - n/a V12 BMW engine built by Paul Rosche, making 100 BHP per litre.
- Weighed only 1138 KG, a figure no modern supercar will get close to.
- Held the production car Max Speed record for a nearly 10 years.
- Designed by legendary F1 designer Gordon Murray.
- Spawned a race version which won Le Mans. When did a road going based car last do that?
- One of the last supercars not saddled with 4WD or driver aids to get you out of trouble.
- Had the drivers seat in the middle of the car, like an F1 car
- Its 0-200 MPH time of 28 seconds dead has still only been beaten by a handful of low volume super cars, 22 years on...
Theres definitely petrolhead billionaires, whether they have the time is probably a different matter (I'm just speculating btw).
This F1 is purely a museum piece, it will get driven as much as some of Jay Lenos cars. If we're lucky someone will lend it to Beaulieu so mere mortals can see on in its natural habitat.
e21Mark said:
Aren't cars about the driving though Tony? That and the sound, sight, smell etc? If they're just going to sit in the garage you may as well ask Airfix to hook you up. (just my opinion obviously)
On a much, much lesser scale I see this with E30 M3. There are so few now that get driven (let alone spanked) and their value is the first thing people speak about. It's more about investment potential than driving experience and they end up being priced out from the average enthusiast.
E30 M3s are a perfect comparison, id say nowadays you'll see the odd one wheeled out at a show and thats about it. When I moved to NZ they we're about $40k, 8 years later and I they're in the $100K territory. If we'd have bought one instead of our Commodore for a similar price I'd have $20k left on my mortgage. As sad as that is from a petrolhead perspective, you have to think long term financially it would have made sense. (just my opinion obviously) On a much, much lesser scale I see this with E30 M3. There are so few now that get driven (let alone spanked) and their value is the first thing people speak about. It's more about investment potential than driving experience and they end up being priced out from the average enthusiast.
This F1 is purely a museum piece, it will get driven as much as some of Jay Lenos cars. If we're lucky someone will lend it to Beaulieu so mere mortals can see on in its natural habitat.
Automotive art, to use that overused phrase - I was shocked by the negative comments on the first page. Hats off to rowan atkinson to using his properly, still dont understand how he could get rid of his.
Always amused me that ron dennis smashed one up during its development, must have been very embarrassing. Thanks for making ith though ron!
Always amused me that ron dennis smashed one up during its development, must have been very embarrassing. Thanks for making ith though ron!
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