Classic Cars with Good Handling
Discussion
Perception of handling when driving older cars can sometimes be poor because of the age of springs, shocks, bushes etc! If you know these are in tip top nick then I suppose the opinion can be justified.
I'm always going to put the E30 forward for this. Any E30, not just the M3. Again a lot are on tired consumables and they are hampered somewhat by overly long steering. Freshen up the bushes and suspension and put in an E46 PAS rack - different car entirely. Everyone who has ridden shotgun in mine in a trackday has been extremely complimentary about the handling - and in my opinion it's still got some way to be perfect
I'm always going to put the E30 forward for this. Any E30, not just the M3. Again a lot are on tired consumables and they are hampered somewhat by overly long steering. Freshen up the bushes and suspension and put in an E46 PAS rack - different car entirely. Everyone who has ridden shotgun in mine in a trackday has been extremely complimentary about the handling - and in my opinion it's still got some way to be perfect
kambites said:
EnglishTony said:
Then you are ready for a Mitsubshi Evo VI.
Pre-1990? I notice lots of love for the M3 E30. Which is fair enough, it's a good car. It's not under 10k though.
EnglishTony said:
kambites said:
EnglishTony said:
Then you are ready for a Mitsubshi Evo VI.
Pre-1990? I notice lots of love for the M3 E30. Which is fair enough, it's a good car. It's not under 10k though.
motorhole said:
Perception of handling when driving older cars can sometimes be poor because of the age of springs, shocks, bushes etc! If you know these are in tip top nick then I suppose the opinion can be justified.
I'm always going to put the E30 forward for this. Any E30, not just the M3. Again a lot are on tired consumables and they are hampered somewhat by overly long steering. Freshen up the bushes and suspension and put in an E46 PAS rack - different car entirely. Everyone who has ridden shotgun in mine in a trackday has been extremely complimentary about the handling - and in my opinion it's still got some way to be perfect
This sounds great, I've always quite liked the 318is.. I didn't know a steering rack swap was a popular mod for them. I wonder if I can get a 306 rack into my 205.I'm always going to put the E30 forward for this. Any E30, not just the M3. Again a lot are on tired consumables and they are hampered somewhat by overly long steering. Freshen up the bushes and suspension and put in an E46 PAS rack - different car entirely. Everyone who has ridden shotgun in mine in a trackday has been extremely complimentary about the handling - and in my opinion it's still got some way to be perfect
The Jaguar XJ Series 6/12 Series 1 to 3 must be up there amongst the best handling (saloon) cars of their respective decades's
MY '88 Daimler Double Six handles modern traffic/motorways with poise and the old 300 bhp V12 keeps the newer cars honest.. although i may be stopping to re-fuel a tad more often
MY '88 Daimler Double Six handles modern traffic/motorways with poise and the old 300 bhp V12 keeps the newer cars honest.. although i may be stopping to re-fuel a tad more often
The best car I have driven for a quick thrash through the twisties is my 330 BHP Triumph TR8, & I've owned quite a few, & driven more.
The best handling & nicest car for a thousand kilometre a day trip is my Triumph TR7. Of course both are in mint condition.
The worst handling car I have ever driven was a 1966 Ferrari GB B. Independent rear end even with inboard discs does not mean a thing, if they are designed badly at the factory.
I owned a 306 for about 4 weeks, & thought I'd found a front drive car worth owning, until I hit a little standing water puddle in it. I still own a Honda S2000, even though they have dreadful electric steering, & are a pain on damp, as distinct from wet roads. The charm of that engine, & the turn in stop me selling it.
Good handling nice to drive cheap cars are available, if you ignore the conventional wisdom, & avoid front wheel drive.
The best handling & nicest car for a thousand kilometre a day trip is my Triumph TR7. Of course both are in mint condition.
The worst handling car I have ever driven was a 1966 Ferrari GB B. Independent rear end even with inboard discs does not mean a thing, if they are designed badly at the factory.
I owned a 306 for about 4 weeks, & thought I'd found a front drive car worth owning, until I hit a little standing water puddle in it. I still own a Honda S2000, even though they have dreadful electric steering, & are a pain on damp, as distinct from wet roads. The charm of that engine, & the turn in stop me selling it.
Good handling nice to drive cheap cars are available, if you ignore the conventional wisdom, & avoid front wheel drive.
Everyone has different ideas about what makes a good handling car. Even those who can distinguish handling from grip have different ideas.
Is steering feel more less important than directness? Is it more important than having all traces of bumpsteer eliminated?
Do you like a car to understeer power off or power on? Do you like a car to oversteer? If so, under what conditions?
Do you like a car that follows a predictable line whilst cornering on an uneven road, or are corrections part of the fun?
Is steering feel more less important than directness? Is it more important than having all traces of bumpsteer eliminated?
Do you like a car to understeer power off or power on? Do you like a car to oversteer? If so, under what conditions?
Do you like a car that follows a predictable line whilst cornering on an uneven road, or are corrections part of the fun?
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