Define Hot Hatch
Discussion
xRIEx said:
MarshPhantom said:
Hot hatch should also be practical, the Delta was LHD only ruling it out as an everyday car for most people.
Ok, that paragraph is going to need explanation - why is LHD less practical for "most people"? Most people already drive LHD cars. MarshPhantom said:
xRIEx said:
MarshPhantom said:
Hot hatch should also be practical, the Delta was LHD only ruling it out as an everyday car for most people.
Ok, that paragraph is going to need explanation - why is LHD less practical for "most people"? Most people already drive LHD cars. xRIEx said:
MarshPhantom said:
xRIEx said:
MarshPhantom said:
Hot hatch should also be practical, the Delta was LHD only ruling it out as an everyday car for most people.
Ok, that paragraph is going to need explanation - why is LHD less practical for "most people"? Most people already drive LHD cars. Is that clear enough?
300bhp/ton said:
EnglishTony said:
HF 4WD, hot hatch..
Integrale, homogolation special.
That's not difficult surely?
They are essentially the same vehicle. So you are correct, it shouldn't be difficult. It should be 100% obvious. Yet still seems to baffle so many it's not true. Integrale, homogolation special.
That's not difficult surely?
Oh and for the record, most of those 44,000 cars are Intergrale's not HF 4WD's. Do you seriously expect anyone to believe homoligation specials run to such extreme numbers? Most Grp B cars totalled 25-500 cars. And extreme cases for Grp A maybe 1500 or so. Not 44,000 cars. Are you not able to comprehend that size of a number??? To put that in perspective, Lotus only built around 11,000 S1 Elise's.
Look at the numbers of Evos or Imprezas sold. Both are homogolation specials.
300bhp/ton said:
EnglishTony said:
HF 4WD, hot hatch..
Integrale, homogolation special.
That's not difficult surely?
They are essentially the same vehicle. So you are correct, it shouldn't be difficult. It should be 100% obvious. Yet still seems to baffle so many it's not true. Integrale, homogolation special.
That's not difficult surely?
Oh and for the record, most of those 44,000 cars are Intergrale's not HF 4WD's. Do you seriously expect anyone to believe homoligation specials run to such extreme numbers? Most Grp B cars totalled 25-500 cars. And extreme cases for Grp A maybe 1500 or so. Not 44,000 cars. Are you not able to comprehend that size of a number??? To put that in perspective, Lotus only built around 11,000 S1 Elise's.
EnglishTony said:
Just because it's a sales success doesn't mean it's not a homogolation special.
Look at the numbers of Evos or Imprezas sold. Both are homogolation specials.
Erm no. Sorry, you couldn't be more wrong. But I'm sure you'll continue to ignore facts and carry on as you are regardless, so ho hum.Look at the numbers of Evos or Imprezas sold. Both are homogolation specials.
Hint:
Some Impreza's were built for homologation, the WRX Type RA for example or Spec C. These are very specific variants. The rest of them are not, they are just normal production cars, same as any other model from any other maker.
MarshPhantom said:
Stickyfinger said:
Why is LHD not practical ?......never had a problem with the Lancia I had or one of the cars I have now.
It has zero to do with a car being a "Hot Hatch" or not.
Not a problem for me, the vast majority wouldn't consider buying a LHD in this country.It has zero to do with a car being a "Hot Hatch" or not.
300bhp/ton said:
EnglishTony said:
Just because it's a sales success doesn't mean it's not a homogolation special.
Look at the numbers of Evos or Imprezas sold. Both are homogolation specials.
Erm no. Sorry, you couldn't be more wrong. But I'm sure you'll continue to ignore facts and carry on as you are regardless, so ho hum.Look at the numbers of Evos or Imprezas sold. Both are homogolation specials.
Hint:
Some Impreza's were built for homologation, the WRX Type RA for example or Spec C. These are very specific variants. The rest of them are not, they are just normal production cars, same as any other model from any other maker.
EnglishTony said:
Do you think Ford, Nissan, VW, Lancia, Subaru or Mitsubshi would have produced these cars if the rally regs stipulated, for example, 2 door coupes?
Do you actually look anything up before posting, to maybe check to see if your opinion is actually correct or not?You do realise Subaru had introduced the Impreza, BEFORE deciding to use it for rallying, not the other way round. And AWD has been the companies principle USP for a long long time and nothing to do with rallying or homologation specials directly, just a handy marketing spiel when required.
But please continue to ignore common sense and facts...
300bhp/ton said:
EnglishTony said:
Do you think Ford, Nissan, VW, Lancia, Subaru or Mitsubshi would have produced these cars if the rally regs stipulated, for example, 2 door coupes?
Do you actually look anything up before posting, to maybe check to see if your opinion is actually correct or not?But please continue to ignore common sense and facts...
jamieduff1981 said:
Low cost basic shopping hatchback with more power than they usually come with and a sportier suspension setup.
Pretty much it. Doesn't even need to be a significant addition of power. The tipping point being where people stop thinking you have borrowed your mother's car. After that we seem to have broken it down into sub groups such as warm and hot and there are clearly some very extreme examples but the whole group would generally come under the main 'hot hatch' label. EnglishTony said:
300bhp/ton said:
EnglishTony said:
Do you think Ford, Nissan, VW, Lancia, Subaru or Mitsubshi would have produced these cars if the rally regs stipulated, for example, 2 door coupes?
Do you actually look anything up before posting, to maybe check to see if your opinion is actually correct or not?But please continue to ignore common sense and facts...
I'm not sure what your point is.
What a silly thread.
Everyone knows what a "Hot hatch" is and the definition is pretty simple.
It's a faster/sportier version of a normal hatch back. You could pretty much ask anyone on the street and they'd have a pretty good idea of what one is.
I'm not sure what the point of an endless discussion where people create arbitrary rules and then other people try to out 'nerd' them by finding examples that prove them wrong.
All this rubbish about number of cylinders and driven wheels precluding a car from being a Hot hatch is just b
ks. Yes a 135i is a Hot hatch, it is a faster sportier version of a normal hatch back, which a 1 series is.
Everyone knows what a "Hot hatch" is and the definition is pretty simple.
It's a faster/sportier version of a normal hatch back. You could pretty much ask anyone on the street and they'd have a pretty good idea of what one is.
I'm not sure what the point of an endless discussion where people create arbitrary rules and then other people try to out 'nerd' them by finding examples that prove them wrong.
All this rubbish about number of cylinders and driven wheels precluding a car from being a Hot hatch is just b
ks. Yes a 135i is a Hot hatch, it is a faster sportier version of a normal hatch back, which a 1 series is. 
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