Family Emergency. How fast would you go? Be honest.
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So this thread seems to amount to parents claiming they'd risk killing people for their children, and any non-parent stating that this is unacceptable,modest know what they're talking about because they don't have children themselves. Oh and it's 'instinct' so it's ok.
As I've said repeatedly, this thread is actually rather disturbing.
If people really cannot control their 'instincts' they shouldn't be driving a car.
Terrifying.
As I've said repeatedly, this thread is actually rather disturbing.
If people really cannot control their 'instincts' they shouldn't be driving a car.
Terrifying.
zarjaz1991 said:
So this thread seems to amount to parents claiming they'd risk killing people for their children, and any non-parent stating that this is unacceptable,modest know what they're talking about because they don't have children themselves. Oh and it's 'instinct' so it's ok.
As I've said repeatedly, this thread is actually rather disturbing.
If people really cannot control their 'instincts' they shouldn't be driving a car.
Terrifying.
I already said I don't have kids. I just have enough empathy to understand how humans work.As I've said repeatedly, this thread is actually rather disturbing.
If people really cannot control their 'instincts' they shouldn't be driving a car.
Terrifying.
It's not 'terrifying' at all. Being terrified of that is just pathetic.
Disastrous said:
zarjaz1991 said:
So this thread seems to amount to parents claiming they'd risk killing people for their children, and any non-parent stating that this is unacceptable,modest know what they're talking about because they don't have children themselves. Oh and it's 'instinct' so it's ok.
As I've said repeatedly, this thread is actually rather disturbing.
If people really cannot control their 'instincts' they shouldn't be driving a car.
Terrifying.
I already said I don't have kids. I just have enough empathy to understand how humans work.As I've said repeatedly, this thread is actually rather disturbing.
If people really cannot control their 'instincts' they shouldn't be driving a car.
Terrifying.
It's not 'terrifying' at all. Being terrified of that is just pathetic.
You have consistently displayed a worrying attitude towards risk in this thread, to the point that if you were a student of mine in some of the training I have delivered in the past I would be flagging your suitability for role. .
mph1977 said:
Disastrous said:
zarjaz1991 said:
So this thread seems to amount to parents claiming they'd risk killing people for their children, and any non-parent stating that this is unacceptable,modest know what they're talking about because they don't have children themselves. Oh and it's 'instinct' so it's ok.
As I've said repeatedly, this thread is actually rather disturbing.
If people really cannot control their 'instincts' they shouldn't be driving a car.
Terrifying.
I already said I don't have kids. I just have enough empathy to understand how humans work.As I've said repeatedly, this thread is actually rather disturbing.
If people really cannot control their 'instincts' they shouldn't be driving a car.
Terrifying.
It's not 'terrifying' at all. Being terrified of that is just pathetic.
You have consistently displayed a worrying attitude towards risk in this thread, to the point that if you were a student of mine in some of the training I have delivered in the past I would be flagging your suitability for role. .
). Seems a bizarre point to make though. 
FWIW, I have a great deal of respect for Paramedics and think they do a fantastic job but you need to remember we're talking about regular humans, not trained professionals. We simply do not react by the book in times of massive stress. Sorry if that bothers you but there it is.
- Most* (granted not all, going by some of the automata on here) people put the lives of their loved ones first. It's selfish but it's normal and very very human. That's all I'm trying to say.
Disastrous said:
I presume you're an ambulance driver or something? Why on earth would you be assessing my suitability for a role?? I've zero interest in it! If I did, obviously, I'd just say whatever you wanted to hear and show that driving is actually pretty easy and all would be fine (though I would be thinking you come across as pretty blowhard and patronising for a trainer ). Seems a bizarre point to make though.
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I have delivered training in the health sector, i've also delivered training in other secotrs ... ). Seems a bizarre point to make though. .
sometimes students who cannot or will not move on from Stage 1 of the 4 stage model do get binned / RTU'd / dismissed ...
mph1977 said:
Disastrous said:
I presume you're an ambulance driver or something? Why on earth would you be assessing my suitability for a role?? I've zero interest in it! If I did, obviously, I'd just say whatever you wanted to hear and show that driving is actually pretty easy and all would be fine (though I would be thinking you come across as pretty blowhard and patronising for a trainer ). Seems a bizarre point to make though.
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I have delivered training in the health sector, i've also delivered training in other secotrs ... ). Seems a bizarre point to make though. .
sometimes students who cannot or will not move on from Stage 1 of the 4 stage model do get binned / RTU'd / dismissed ...
zarjaz1991 said:
So this thread seems to amount to parents claiming they'd risk killing people for their children, and any non-parent stating that this is unacceptable,modest know what they're talking about because they don't have children themselves. Oh and it's 'instinct' so it's ok.
As I've said repeatedly, this thread is actually rather disturbing.
If people really cannot control their 'instincts' they shouldn't be driving a car.
Terrifying.
Such dramatic prose. As I've said repeatedly, this thread is actually rather disturbing.
If people really cannot control their 'instincts' they shouldn't be driving a car.
Terrifying.
zarjaz1991 said:
blueg33 said:
I guess you don't have kids?
That's correct, I don't.I guess you are about to do the usual thing and tell me I can't possibly know what I'm talking about.
I my case when I first had to drive fast for a "family emergency" it was my wife who was gravely ill, at that point I had no children. See my earlier post.
Anyway, as you raise the subject, I would be interested to hear you explain what something is like when you haven't experienced it. All you can explain is what you think it is like and that could easily be flawed. Eg. I thought I knew what it would be like to drive a race car in a competitive event, I was wrong; I thought I knew what it would like to eat a deep fried cricket, I was wrong; I thought I knew what it would be like to watch someone die, I was wrong about that too.
But now I have experienced those things I have a better idea
So please explain how you know something without experiencing it. I am intrigued
Edited by blueg33 on Tuesday 10th May 23:19
zarjaz1991 said:
It's also interesting to note that there seems to be a considerable amount of "I'm a parent, I've got kids so it's different" nonsense in this thread....as usual people with children think they have some sort of miraculous outlook on the world that non-parents are too stupid to have realised.
Nope, it's nothing to do with that. My own personal experience (YMMV):I have two kids, a girl and another girl, 2.75 and 0.75 revolutions round the sun respectively. However, before I had kids, I couldn't stand the little snotballs. I was anti-kids. Horrible little things, all of them! I'd never have one of those! Yuk!
Having my own has made me a far less selfish person than I was before, and that definitely includes a bit more understanding of other people's kids too, and a bit more empathy towards parents, and certainly more concern for the well-being of kids in general. When I'm in the park with mine, I'll keep a wee eye on the others, just to make sure they're not doing anything that could kill them. I'm more patient when there's a crying kid in a restaurant while I'm trying to enjoy my food, goddamit! I'm more empathetic towards a mother struggling with bags and a toddler and taking too long about it, because I sort of understand the epic battle she had just to get everyone washed and fed and dressed and out the house this morning! If there is a bunch of kids running around the park making loads of noise, or splashing a bit too much in the pool, I'm less annoyed than I would have been in the past.
In short, my own kids have made me less selfish towards all kids, and I'd say just less selfish in general. My girls instantly bumped me off the top slot in the "most important people in my life" charts, and once that happened, and I started to look around a bit more, I realised I'm actually pretty far down that list. I enjoy my own family's company more and they don't seem to be quite so much of an inconvenience when they visit. I talk to my sister more, and suddenly she's a fantastic aunty instead of just another person I'm obliged to buy a Christmas present for. I have had no choice but to take pleasure in other people's pleasure. I have to spend less money on myself, and take joy in seeing the girls enjoy my disposable income instead. I have to holiday a lot closer to home, and holidays aren't really holidays if you come home more tired than you went, because it's not my holiday time any more; it's the time when I give my wife a well-earned break. At weekends, I have to go to play-parks instead of race tracks. I have to drive cars with isofix points instead of harness bars. And I really, really, don't mind.
I do accept that none of us know what we'd do in any random hypothetical made-up white-knight situation, especially one designed to provoke every little boy's fantasy of a free pass for a blue-light run at hyperspeed, but I'd have thought that more PHers would vote for, "I'd like to think I wouldn't, but..." rather than, "yes I absolutely would!".
For somebody's default position to be "I'd drive flat out!", well, I guess that's something the old me would understand, and the new me understands that the old me would understand, but the new me doesn't.
I'd say my own kids are probably the biggest reason I hope I wouldn't drive like a selfish pr*ck.
Edited by TartanPaint on Wednesday 11th May 09:04
Though hard to do under the circumstances, one must try to tell oneself at the start of these particular, and unpleasant journeys, to try to keep as calm as possible , and that to be stopped for speeding, or to have an accident is not going to get you to where you need to be as quickly, and could in some cases have the exact opposite effect of what you are trying to achieve. (and in extreme circumstances could mean you don't get to where you want to go...Ever.)
The only way I can describe this, is that many years ago I had an incident when flying, where I realized that if I lost my calm, and stopped thinking rationally, and panicked, I would almost certainly die, but if I could just keep calm, and think through the situation, I might stay alive. I applied that thought process to the two times I had to make these unfortunate journey types, and in my cases it worked, (although I accept that in some cases this will not get the driver to where they urgently need to be in time) (there were sections of empty road however where I did get to very high speeds safely, but slowed drastically in areas which could potentially present danger from and to other road users.
The only way I can describe this, is that many years ago I had an incident when flying, where I realized that if I lost my calm, and stopped thinking rationally, and panicked, I would almost certainly die, but if I could just keep calm, and think through the situation, I might stay alive. I applied that thought process to the two times I had to make these unfortunate journey types, and in my cases it worked, (although I accept that in some cases this will not get the driver to where they urgently need to be in time) (there were sections of empty road however where I did get to very high speeds safely, but slowed drastically in areas which could potentially present danger from and to other road users.
helix402 said:
I'm terrified......of this thread.
Why? Because some people are a bit thick? - much like most of PH? Or because people have said that they will drive fast?The reality is that most will drive fast in a family emergency (if its life or death), but most also wouldn't be reckless. Speed does not equal reckless or necessarily dangerous. Most people in these circumstance will be perfectly safe. The ones that aren't safe, probably aren't safe the rest of the time either.
Interesting thread this and I don't find it terrifying at all. We have lots of rules and there will be circumstances where some can be broken and a few which absolutely can't.
As long as the action is appropriate to the situation then you can have your day in court. But you can't justify actions that are likely to kill someone just to get there a bit quicker.
Better to spend a little time planning your destination or best course of action as applicable.
Most ambulances are only cleared to go upto 100 mph. Or a certain margin over the limit - due to their size and capabilities.
Having said that if I were travelling to hospital to see a critical close relative who was dying then 120mph on A and M roads would seem reasonable. If I was rushing because I was taking someone to hospital under same circumstances then faster where possible. Depends what I'm driving and the conditions.
A bit of common sense. E.g you can't beat up someone because they burgaled you once. You can't beat the out of them because they are in your house. But you can legitimately hit them to get them out or in response to threat till they leave.
As long as the action is appropriate to the situation then you can have your day in court. But you can't justify actions that are likely to kill someone just to get there a bit quicker.
Better to spend a little time planning your destination or best course of action as applicable.
Most ambulances are only cleared to go upto 100 mph. Or a certain margin over the limit - due to their size and capabilities.
Having said that if I were travelling to hospital to see a critical close relative who was dying then 120mph on A and M roads would seem reasonable. If I was rushing because I was taking someone to hospital under same circumstances then faster where possible. Depends what I'm driving and the conditions.
A bit of common sense. E.g you can't beat up someone because they burgaled you once. You can't beat the out of them because they are in your house. But you can legitimately hit them to get them out or in response to threat till they leave.
blueg33 said:
Why? Because some people are a bit thick? - much like most of PH? Or because people have said that they will drive fast?
The reality is that most will drive fast in a family emergency (if its life or death), but most also wouldn't be reckless. Speed does not equal reckless or necessarily dangerous. Most people in these circumstance will be perfectly safe. The ones that aren't safe, probably aren't safe the rest of the time either.
I'm unconcerned by those who say they'd drive a bit faster than normal.The reality is that most will drive fast in a family emergency (if its life or death), but most also wouldn't be reckless. Speed does not equal reckless or necessarily dangerous. Most people in these circumstance will be perfectly safe. The ones that aren't safe, probably aren't safe the rest of the time either.
I'm concerned with those that have stated they'd run red lights at high speeds, push slow cars out of the way, etc etc. This iss tupid behaviour that will quite likely kill someone, and yet unbvelievably people defend this position 'because it's their kids'.
120mph on A roads? I can see touching that speed on the most open and well-sighted sections of some roads. But you would need an extremely fast car and/or to be utterly lunatic to see that speed regularly driving around most of this country.
I agree with the guy above that speed in of itself isn't really the issue. It's that people either simply have no idea what is and is not safe or, in some cases, have made clear that they don't care about creating danger for others.
I agree with the guy above that speed in of itself isn't really the issue. It's that people either simply have no idea what is and is not safe or, in some cases, have made clear that they don't care about creating danger for others.
zarjaz1991 said:
blueg33 said:
Why? Because some people are a bit thick? - much like most of PH? Or because people have said that they will drive fast?
The reality is that most will drive fast in a family emergency (if its life or death), but most also wouldn't be reckless. Speed does not equal reckless or necessarily dangerous. Most people in these circumstance will be perfectly safe. The ones that aren't safe, probably aren't safe the rest of the time either.
I'm unconcerned by those who say they'd drive a bit faster than normal.The reality is that most will drive fast in a family emergency (if its life or death), but most also wouldn't be reckless. Speed does not equal reckless or necessarily dangerous. Most people in these circumstance will be perfectly safe. The ones that aren't safe, probably aren't safe the rest of the time either.
I'm concerned with those that have stated they'd run red lights at high speeds, push slow cars out of the way, etc etc. This iss tupid behaviour that will quite likely kill someone, and yet unbvelievably people defend this position 'because it's their kids'.
blueg33 said:
helix402 said:
I'm terrified......of this thread.
Why? Because some people are a bit thick? - much like most of PH? Or because people have said that they will drive fast?The reality is that most will drive fast in a family emergency (if its life or death), but most also wouldn't be reckless. Speed does not equal reckless or necessarily dangerous. Most people in these circumstance will be perfectly safe. The ones that aren't safe, probably aren't safe the rest of the time either.
Sorry, it was an attempt at humour.
blueg33 said:
I agree with you there except that alot faster is probably lowish risk on a motorway when it's not busy
Again it probably boils down the old 'inappropriate' argument.If someone wants to do 100mph on a free flowing motorway I don't care. I would question whether some people can actually handle a car at even that speed, but that's another argument.
When we start getting talk of 150mph or even higher, I think we have a problem.
I'm certainly not saying people shouldnt be a little brisker than normal in a crisis, but I do question some of the claims on here. It's the actual attitude of "I don't care if I kill or injure third parties, it's my family and that's all that matters" that rather makes me angry.
zarjaz1991 said:
blueg33 said:
You can guess all you like, you are rather presumptive, only a bit older than a child yourself I see.
Aha, an older person dismissing my opinion because I'm young. That's really surprising. Besides which, 24 is considerably past being a 'child'.
I see you haven't answered the question I posed.
Edited by blueg33 on Thursday 12th May 08:07
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