RE: Golf GTI Clubsport S 'ring record
Discussion
darrenw said:
I had a good look around a couple of them here at Woerthersee today 
IMG_8213 by Retro-Motoring and WoertherseePics.com, on Flickr
Looks like another boring Golf to me.IMG_8213 by Retro-Motoring and WoertherseePics.com, on FlickrThen again, I like the look of the new Type R. Maybe I'm a little bit different.
JoeMarano said:
V8RX7 said:
What's 1.5 seconds ?
You don't participate in any kind of racing do you ?
How many people that have bought a civic/megane/golf/leon plan on using that car for racing and not using it as their daily driver to tesco?You don't participate in any kind of racing do you ?
The answer is - the difference between winning and losing.
In many races it's a hundredth of a second.
MrBarry123 said:
I'm actually a bit disappointed that a) it wasn't a full lap and b) the car they tracked wasn't a production vehicle.
I love it a bit less.
The crown still resides with the Type R it seems.
Do you mean the Type R that a) didn't do a full lap and b) wasn't a production vehicle?I love it a bit less.
The crown still resides with the Type R it seems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9G7N0_M9Rc
Hamma said:
I know it somewhat. My point is that anyone can go there with anything. And it's not THAT hard to get some good laps there. Especially for a pro driver who has lapped there before. Let alone a car as easy to drive there like a FWD not-that-powerful hatchback on semi-slicks. All that marketing BS is ridiculous!
How much Nordschleife experience do you actually have ?V8RX7 said:
I have no idea but that's irrelevant to your comment.
The answer is - the difference between winning and losing.
In many races it's a hundredth of a second.
The point I'm trying to get across is that the differences in times are so small and on such a huge track there's so many variables. Therefore what I'm trying to say is that if you buy this over say the civic or megane purely for the laptime then idiot!The answer is - the difference between winning and losing.
In many races it's a hundredth of a second.
JoeMarano said:
V8RX7 said:
I have no idea but that's irrelevant to your comment.
The answer is - the difference between winning and losing.
In many races it's a hundredth of a second.
The point I'm trying to get across is that the differences in times are so small and on such a huge track there's so many variables. Therefore what I'm trying to say is that if you buy this over say the civic or megane purely for the laptime then idiot!The answer is - the difference between winning and losing.
In many races it's a hundredth of a second.
V8RX7 said:
JoeMarano said:
V8RX7 said:
What's 1.5 seconds ?
You don't participate in any kind of racing do you ?
How many people that have bought a civic/megane/golf/leon plan on using that car for racing and not using it as their daily driver to tesco?You don't participate in any kind of racing do you ?
The answer is - the difference between winning and losing.
In many races it's a hundredth of a second.
thegreenhell said:
Do you mean the Type R that a) didn't do a full lap and b) wasn't a production vehicle?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9G7N0_M9Rc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9G7N0_M9Rc
rb5er said:
Derek Chevalier said:
Elise S: For some reason Elises tend to be slow round track for their given power/weight - these would be way off the pace of the top hatches if both were driven by a good driver, let along average
370z: Nowhere near the focus of R26.R etc. Don't they tend to overheat with hard track use? Off the pace of the fastest hatches
Caterham: Woudn't fancy driving one of these down to a European track weekend
As for all the other 4/5 seater - how many of them would put up with sustained track use?
Your top point, yes much less power but it would be faster on a tighter circuit. We won't know either way as this Golf is not the production car.370z: Nowhere near the focus of R26.R etc. Don't they tend to overheat with hard track use? Off the pace of the fastest hatches
Caterham: Woudn't fancy driving one of these down to a European track weekend
As for all the other 4/5 seater - how many of them would put up with sustained track use?
370z: the closest related 'ring time is for a 350z with 286bhp. It came in at 8:26 in 2002 (14 years ago). A 370z has 344bhp. Certainly not off the pace of the fast hatchbacks. I have not heard of them overheating on track. Source? Do you know the production Golf won't have any issues? Nope because this is not a production car being recorded.
Caterham: Your point is pretty much irrelevant. Depends on conditions. Some oeople might prefer it. Subjective. Also how do you know the production Golf is not very stiff and uncomfortable as this is not the production car being tested.
Your last point...well guess what.....we don't know how this car will hold up on track because...........this is not the production car being tested/recorded.
Do you get the common theme occurring here?
Elise: I too thought it would be quicker on a tighter circuit, but was surprised when I read Autocar a while back (I assume Millbrook is pretty tight). And that's in the hands of a very good driver/average PH poster.
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/millbrook-alpine-hil...
370z:
Lots on Google
http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-general-discuss...
Caterham:
Having driven through biblical downpour all the way to the ring one year, I am in the non-hardcore camp!
V8RX7 said:
As sensible, practical, 5 seat, daily driver they have their place and I've had plenty - but at this price range and 2 seat - you'd have to be potty.
Oh I completely agree! I think it's gotten ridiculous with these hatches now as the whole point used to be that they had just about enough power with a good driver to hustle badly driven sports cars for a fraction of the price.Now they are sports car price they've lost touch with the two things that they should be...
Cheap
practical
JoeMarano said:
Now they are sports car price they've lost touch with the two things that they should be...
Cheap
practical
When you say "they've lost touch" with being cheap and practical then surely you are only reffering to this particular Golf as the rest are all still practical? Cheap
practical
They have indeed got more expensive but they include much more equipment than hot hatches of yesteryear and are now much more capable.
Unfortunately VW have scored an own goal, IMO the record can't be counted (you'd have thought they'd have learned after the Seat debacle) as it's not the car you can buy in the showroom so therefore it can't be the fastest FWD production car around the Ring.
Nice time though shame for that work to be wasted, but it does show how good Honda's effort was.
Nice time though shame for that work to be wasted, but it does show how good Honda's effort was.
ZX10R NIN said:
Unfortunately VW have scored an own goal, IMO the record can't be counted (you'd have thought they'd have learned after the Seat debacle) as it's not the car you can buy in the showroom so therefore it can't be the fastest FWD production car around the Ring.
Nice time though shame for that work to be wasted, but it does show how good Honda's effort was.
Er, the Honda also had a roll cage fitted for their record runs, as did the Seat. I. Fact I would expect all these cars will be running cages from now on due to the speeds they're travelling at and the manufacturers responsibility for the health and safety of those attempting the record. Nice time though shame for that work to be wasted, but it does show how good Honda's effort was.
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