RE: Wiesmann MF5 V10: You Know You Want To

RE: Wiesmann MF5 V10: You Know You Want To

Thursday 5th May 2016

Wiesmann MF5 V10: You Know You Want To

That glorious M5 V10 in a lightweight roadster, but you'll pay a premium for it



Speak to many enthusiasts today and they will cite two notable (and lamentable) omissions from the current fast car landscape: naturally-aspirated engines in lightweight roadsters.

Think about it. Beyond the MX-5, what else can you get without a roof and without a turbo? The R8 and Huracan Spyders stand out, and technically the Mustang V8 counts too, but it's fairly slim pickings. Even some of the track-focused super lightweights like the Zenos rely on a turbocharger to boost output.


The lack of atmospheric engines and the open air to enjoy them - even Ferrari doesn't offer the combination in 2016 - makes this delivery mileage Wiesmann all the more appealing. The prospect of a 500hp V10 in a fairly light open car will have always been a thrilling one, but it's all the more so now it's become such a rarity. Of course it's not just any old V10 either, if such a thing exists. It's the engine from the E60 M5, the V10 that was to create a road car link to BMW's F1 programme. It was and remains a sublime engine, wailing its way to beyond 8,000rpm, but perhaps not best suited to a big saloon. In a sports car though...

Like the M5, this Wiesmann MF5 uses the SMG gearbox, which will be a sticking point for some. Certainly it won't feel as good as the latest autos, or ultimately as rewarding as controlling your own shifts with a manual. And that's sadly not the only issue facing the Wiesmann as a rational purchase...


The colour scheme, particularly inside, is bold, although it's hardly going to go unnoticed whatever the paint choice. There's also of course the issue that Wiesmann as a company is, as far as is known, in a spot of bother at the moment. When you're buying a nearly new product of a company for nearly £200,000, that has to be a concern.

Yes, it really is about £200,000. £193,000 to be precise, for a right-hand drive 2015 car with 142 miles. Whether you're looking at new or used alternatives, that's a heck of a lot. On top of that engine though, the Wiesmann does have a great deal going for it as a supercar purchase. You're unlikely to see another, for a start, and rarity is often an important consideration. Those people who have driven a Wiesmann speak fairly highly of it too. And what's an expensive supercar if it doesn't make people look and point?

It seems unlikely that this Wiesmann will fly out of the dealership that quickly, but you suspect it will be an absolute blast for whoever is brave enough. In the not too distant future, if not indeed already, the car that aimed to recreate the style of the old British roadsters will begin to look like a classic itself.


WIESMANN MF5 V10
Price
: £193,000
Why you should: That engine, rarity value
Why you shouldn't: A Morgan Aero 8 does arguably the same for a fraction of the money

See the original advert here.

 

 

 

 

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Ryvita

Original Poster:

713 posts

210 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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I think you've hit the nail on the head there with the Morgan comparison. Is this really that much more of a car than the plus 8?

http://www.bellandcolvill.co.uk/usedcars/cardetail...

Or even the 4. Have seen this one in the flesh and it's lovely.

http://www.bellandcolvill.co.uk/usedcars/cardetail...

Zod

35,295 posts

258 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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Ryvita said:
I think you've hit the nail on the head there with the Morgan comparison. Is this really that much more of a car than the plus 8?

http://www.bellandcolvill.co.uk/usedcars/cardetail...

Or even the 4. Have seen this one in the flesh and it's lovely.

http://www.bellandcolvill.co.uk/usedcars/cardetail...
It's a much quicker car.

Cheburator mk2

2,986 posts

199 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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Ryvita said:
I think you've hit the nail on the head there with the Morgan comparison. Is this really that much more of a car than the plus 8?

http://www.bellandcolvill.co.uk/usedcars/cardetail...

Or even the 4. Have seen this one in the flesh and it's lovely.

http://www.bellandcolvill.co.uk/usedcars/cardetail...
Yes, it is... For starters the 4.8 is a brilliant power plant - I have it in my X5 - but it is not a patch on the S85. Also, I remember tests at the time saying that the W can mix with the best in terms of chassis, while the fit and finish really is mind-blowingly good. And most of all - you will never see another one...

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

246 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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Morgan meets Spyker in inevitable over-priced failure of this sort of tat.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

246 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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"Beyond the MX-5, what else can you get without a roof and without a turbo? The R8 and Huracan Spyders stand out, and technically the Mustang V8 counts too, but it's fairly slim pickings."

I'd have thought Chevrolet might have something to say about that, for a fraction of the price.




s2000db

1,155 posts

153 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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Didn't Wiesmann go bust in 2014?

rodericb

6,712 posts

126 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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Ozzie Osmond said:
"Beyond the MX-5, what else can you get without a roof and without a turbo? The R8 and Huracan Spyders stand out, and technically the Mustang V8 counts too, but it's fairly slim pickings."

I'd have thought Chevrolet might have something to say about that, for a fraction of the price.
Yes, and no worries about it eating its crankshaft bearings. But in reality I think this Wiesmann would probably not see the wrong side of a few thousand miles on the odo!

dlockhart

434 posts

172 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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Ozzie Osmond said:
"Beyond the MX-5, what else can you get without a roof and without a turbo? The R8 and Huracan Spyders stand out, and technically the Mustang V8 counts too, but it's fairly slim pickings."

I'd have thought Chevrolet might have something to say about that, for a fraction of the price.

why stop there why not go for a cobra with a v 12?

j90gta

563 posts

134 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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For about £ 84,000 you can have a brand new one of these



It only weighs 1,180 kg dry, has 367 bhp and a top speed of 170 mph (plenty quick enough for a convertible!)

£ 193,000 for the Wiesmann doesn't seem to make any sense

Tuvra

7,921 posts

225 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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I've seen a few Wiesmann in the flesh and they are beautiful cars, this particular example isn't.

On the exterior it needs a contrast (chrome or black trim - wheels, light surrounds, grilles colour coded etc), its exactly the same inside, it needs a contrast, maybe a black centre console, door cards, steering wheel, anything to break up all that red.

Something like this:


sh33n

194 posts

187 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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I like the car, but with that interior, those wheels and that silly painted grill (both the White and red bits) is a no go!! Surely better ones out there if you truly want one.

I'd happily have that corvette though!

big_rob_sydney

3,401 posts

194 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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Wow. Haven't seen anything that crass in a long time.

And after all, who in their right mind would pay 193k for a kit car with a bmw donor engine? I suspect the decimal place is in the wrong place, and even then, it might need to move twice...

pfft.

g3org3y

20,627 posts

191 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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Interior reminds me of my obs and gynae rotation.

danrst171

103 posts

100 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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Looks like someone was driving home from B&Q with some paint for the feature wall and had a bit of an accident.

trackdemon

12,175 posts

261 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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s2000db said:
Didn't Wiesmann go bust in 2014?
Sadly, yes. But apparently a new buyer has been found and things are afoot!

Familiar looking car, have spent a ton of time with the Wiesmann guys as I used to be their photographer. Have driven the Morgan, it's a very very different car - much softer and more 'GT' like compared to the MF5, especially the epic V10 (later versions got the F10's V8).




TBH though, this is THE one, same powerplant in the more hardcore GT coupe:


JeffreyLebowski

452 posts

207 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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Not for me thanks, even ignoring the vile colour scheme, the styling is pretty hideous. I wouldn't give them 25% of the asking price for that example.
Morgan is a far more desirable proposition for me.

Happyjap

382 posts

109 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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I love this car very much and might consider it a dream car, I feel the only negative aspect of this is the inside would be difficult to keep clean and if you have oil on your pants it could do permanent damage.

macky17

2,212 posts

189 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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I know I don't want to.

Dale487

1,334 posts

123 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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I've always liked the fastback with the M3 straight six more.

The nothing but red interior is a bit much - & I'm a fan of red seats in white, black, grey or silver cars

JohnGoodridge

529 posts

195 months

Thursday 5th May 2016
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Cheburator mk2 said:
Ryvita said:
I think you've hit the nail on the head there with the Morgan comparison. Is this really that much more of a car than the plus 8?

http://www.bellandcolvill.co.uk/usedcars/cardetail...

Or even the 4. Have seen this one in the flesh and it's lovely.

http://www.bellandcolvill.co.uk/usedcars/cardetail...
Yes, it is... For starters the 4.8 is a brilliant power plant - I have it in my X5 - but it is not a patch on the S85. Also, I remember tests at the time saying that the W can mix with the best in terms of chassis, while the fit and finish really is mind-blowingly good. And most of all - you will never see another one...
+1

The Wiesmann was always the most special and appropriate home the S85 ever found IMHO. If that's your thing then you'll be able to see its appeal past the Morgans, AMG SLS roadster, Vantage V12 Conv. and even the 'vanilla' e63/4 M6 Cab -which you can pick up from about 10% of the price.

I love it. But 200k for that engine in that chassis? It's very special, but even as a fanboy, I'm struggling.