RE: Audi SQ7: Review
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Andy20vt said:
So it's fair to say that even those on this thread who seem to like and buy these pointless SUV monstrosities do so for one prime reason - because they can! It makes them feel good and like they've said it's their right to buy whatever they like. You could perhaps deduce from that that they don't care about what anyone else thinks or how anyone else is affected. So long as I'm alright Jack and all that. Reminds me very much of the gun lobby in America.
Why do you buy the cars you do (serious question)?swerni said:
No, the only one round here who seems to have a complex is you.
Well you and Andy.
Most people drive what they want and don't feel the need to justify it to sad little people on the internet.
It's too bad if your feelings are hurt. Really, I'm heartbroken if SUV drivers are sad when they come to the realisation that they aren't in fact thought of as rich, masculine, sporty, powerful heroes due to the idiotic vehicle they Well you and Andy.
Most people drive what they want and don't feel the need to justify it to sad little people on the internet.
As I said, go ahead and drive whatever muh-muh-muh-makes you happy! Don't wast a second thinking about the safety of pedestrians and people in Elises, MX-5s, and other lightweight petrolhead cars!
HoHoHo said:
Andy20vt said:
So it's fair to say that even those on this thread who seem to like and buy these pointless SUV monstrosities do so for one prime reason - because they can! It makes them feel good and like they've said it's their right to buy whatever they like. You could perhaps deduce from that that they don't care about what anyone else thinks or how anyone else is affected. So long as I'm alright Jack and all that. Reminds me very much of the gun lobby in America.
Why do you buy the cars you do (serious question)?AM7 said:
HoHoHo said:
Andy20vt said:
So it's fair to say that even those on this thread who seem to like and buy these pointless SUV monstrosities do so for one prime reason - because they can! It makes them feel good and like they've said it's their right to buy whatever they like. You could perhaps deduce from that that they don't care about what anyone else thinks or how anyone else is affected. So long as I'm alright Jack and all that. Reminds me very much of the gun lobby in America.
Why do you buy the cars you do (serious question)?
and whilst dictating their opinion to their mates are frothing at the mouth and dribbling whilst they discuss their exciting super-fast cars and whizzy whizz life styles (and let's not forget they are both well minted and can afford to buy cars worth many many thousands of pounds so they must know it all 
) I can picture it now and I bet tonight they'll recall how they were super-strong internet keyboard warriors fighting the cause and won a mighty battle against free choice 
Hamma said:
It's too bad if your feelings are hurt. Really, I'm heartbroken if SUV drivers are sad when they come to the realisation that they aren't in fact thought of as rich, masculine, sporty, powerful heroes due to the idiotic vehicle they bought leased, but the opposite. And above all it must really be disturbing to have to listen to facts, other opinions and have the consequences laid out in front of you. How horrible to have people discuss anything unpleasant to you!
As I said, go ahead and drive whatever muh-muh-muh-makes you happy! Don't wast a second thinking about the safety of pedestrians and people in Elises, MX-5s, and other lightweight petrolhead cars!
Goodness me. So much irony.As I said, go ahead and drive whatever muh-muh-muh-makes you happy! Don't wast a second thinking about the safety of pedestrians and people in Elises, MX-5s, and other lightweight petrolhead cars!
Hamma said:
xjay1337 said:
Because it's stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What if you are a young parent and you want to buy a new Ford Galaxy
These weigh 1.8t if you go for the 2.0 TDCI with a few options.
Why do you want to restrict based on weight? Surely a TVR with 400bhp and 1100KG with no TCS, ESP, ABS etc, is more dangerous than an MPV or SUV which is carrying the kids around.
A larger car, such as a range rover or similar, doesn't really "deteriorate traffic systems" (I don't even know where to begin with trying to understand what you mean).
Your entire argument is based on assumptions that people who
- Drive like dicks
- Text while driving
- Negligent behind the wheel
Are only ever driving SUVs. Which is completely illogical and in actual fact, untrue! I'd love to see some official, independant statistics which prove your theory.
Most idiots I see are driving original Ford Focuses or similar vehicles. Shall I ban all vehicles under 1.2t?
In addition, I think the only people on this thread dictating what cars are "best" or what cars people "should buy are those like yourself, suggesting they need additional licenses, or others, who say that "SUV/Diesel/4x4/big vehicles/anything that's not a Merc E55 AMG" is stupid, boring and dumb, and should not be bought.
I can see why people like feeling a little safer and having more ease of loading. It's easier to get baby seats in and out of a Rangie than it is a Hyundai i30 let me tell you that.
About my suggestion on weight limits: If you need/want/whatever a very heavy vehicle I already said it should be easy and inexpensive to get a license for them. For anyone. But that extra step would be a signal that they should think about it.What if you are a young parent and you want to buy a new Ford Galaxy
These weigh 1.8t if you go for the 2.0 TDCI with a few options.
Why do you want to restrict based on weight? Surely a TVR with 400bhp and 1100KG with no TCS, ESP, ABS etc, is more dangerous than an MPV or SUV which is carrying the kids around.
A larger car, such as a range rover or similar, doesn't really "deteriorate traffic systems" (I don't even know where to begin with trying to understand what you mean).
Your entire argument is based on assumptions that people who
- Drive like dicks
- Text while driving
- Negligent behind the wheel
Are only ever driving SUVs. Which is completely illogical and in actual fact, untrue! I'd love to see some official, independant statistics which prove your theory.
Most idiots I see are driving original Ford Focuses or similar vehicles. Shall I ban all vehicles under 1.2t?
In addition, I think the only people on this thread dictating what cars are "best" or what cars people "should buy are those like yourself, suggesting they need additional licenses, or others, who say that "SUV/Diesel/4x4/big vehicles/anything that's not a Merc E55 AMG" is stupid, boring and dumb, and should not be bought.
I can see why people like feeling a little safer and having more ease of loading. It's easier to get baby seats in and out of a Rangie than it is a Hyundai i30 let me tell you that.
If there was for example a 1.7 ton limit in weight (more realistic would be 1.9 for a start and then gradually lower it over the years), one would expect the manufacturers to react and keep them just below that limit, right? Hell, big SUVs might very quickly get their weight under that limit by using lightweight materials and doing away with much of that unnecessary and completely unused 'off-road capability'. And the buyers seem to all be billionaires so they could
About the rest: Wow, I didn't think that this is news in this day and age after so much discussions about SUVs, or so complicated.
It's a simple fact that much heavier vehicles are more dangerous to everyone in the traffic system. It is also a simple fact that taller vehicles, with higher bumper and hood levels are more dangerous to everyone in the traffic system.
In addition to that the vehicles that are heavier, as well as vehicle that are taller (and more compromised dynamically in order to be good off-road when fitted with off-road tires which never will be fitted...) are more likely to get into accidents (all other things being equal of course) due to physics. The consequences of crashes (and even near misses if the SUV manages to tip over) will be far worse. Then there's the pollution thing. And resource needs. And they even wear out the roads more, if we're piling on everything.
Just think about what happens when you have a traffic system full of heavy, tall SUVs instead of normal cars. And for what???!!!
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Years ago a Ford Fiesta was 900kg, now they're 1300kg. So eventually you end up in a catch 22 when you need a fancy license just to drive a normal saloon car.
It is absolutely stupid, because lightweight materials, such as using aluminum, titanium, carbon fiber, etc, are horrendously expensive. And consumers won't pay 150k for a landrover that would have cost 80k if you can make it 300kg heavier.
There is absolutely no evidence to support your claim that SUVs are more dangerous to everyone else. In actual facts point opposite that SUVs are measurably, according to Euro NCAP, no less dangerous than other vehicles, and in relative terms, no worse for pedestrians, in some cases they are better.
http://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/latest-... make&selectedModel=0&includeFullSafetyPackage=true&includeStandardSafetyPackage=true&selectedModelName=All&selectedProtocols=24370,1472&selectedClasses=1202,1199,1201,1196,1203,1179,1197&allClasses=false&allProtocols=false&allDriverAssistanceTechnologies=false&selectedDriverAssistanceTechnologies=
Most SUVs and off road vehicles come with 90% road biased tyres which are no less grippy than the Eco Premium Contact pap that comes fitted to most other cars.
Compared to the budget b
ks you see on most rep mobiles (Mondeos or similar) then there is no comparison!Your entire argument is based upon nothing other than your own personal believes based on an antiquated way of looking at the world.
- edit to fix broken link*.
Edited by xjay1337 on Friday 6th May 16:16
Hamma said:
It's too bad if your feelings are hurt. Really, I'm heartbroken if SUV drivers are sad when they come to the realisation that they aren't in fact thought of as rich, masculine, sporty, powerful heroes due to the idiotic vehicle they bought leased, but the opposite. And above all it must really be disturbing to have to listen to facts, other opinions and have the consequences laid out in front of you. How horrible to have people discuss anything unpleasant to you!
As I said, go ahead and drive whatever muh-muh-muh-makes you happy! Don't wast a second thinking about the safety of pedestrians and people in Elises, MX-5s, and other lightweight petrolhead cars!
Perhaps they should have bought an SUVAs I said, go ahead and drive whatever muh-muh-muh-makes you happy! Don't wast a second thinking about the safety of pedestrians and people in Elises, MX-5s, and other lightweight petrolhead cars!
That's the beauty of choice
je777 said:
ELothian said:
The reality is that some people want both cars and have worked hard enough to be able to have both.
The poor, of course, don't work hard.The point is that I have worked hard and can therefore moderately enjoy my somewhat eclectic taste in cars. All our cars are very fit for their intended purposes.
The politics of envy is very much alive on this thread I see!
Also I love your selective quotation - in my original post I said that these kinds of cars serve a purpose but that also other "more PH" cars serve a different purpose, and that it isn't necessarily a choice between the two.
Edited by ELothian on Friday 6th May 19:59
Hamma said:
iphonedyou said:
Jesus Christ. What sort of people are we attracting here?
Well done you. Eleventy million internet points and a shiny fking medal.
To me that was much more of a response to d***head SUV owners proclaiming that they bought one "because they can afford it" and that everyone knocking them "are just jealous and can't afford them". Well done you. Eleventy million internet points and a shiny f
king medal.Fact is lots of people can afford them but are not idiots.
Who are you to criticise other people's choices?
I can critique your choices in life if you want me to?
You are clearly a very angry person and I feel sorry for you.
Your suggestion that vehicles over a particular weight should require additional driving qualifications has some merit as the handling is different. However why would it not apply to heavy vehicles carrying more than 9 passengers?
Perhaps we should allow anyone with a standard driving licence to drive a bus but not a Discovery / X5 / Range Rover. That is the logical inference from your posts.
ELothian said:
They certainly do work very hard. No one is saying they don't but equally those who can buy multiple cars of this type have also worked hard.
The politics of envy is very much alive on this thread I see!
Some rich people haven't worked hard - a huge proportion inherit it, for instance.The politics of envy is very much alive on this thread I see!
Your second point assumes that I am both a) not wealthy and b) jealous of you.
A lot of assumptions here.
je777 said:
ELothian said:
They certainly do work very hard. No one is saying they don't but equally those who can buy multiple cars of this type have also worked hard.
The politics of envy is very much alive on this thread I see!
Some rich people haven't worked hard - a huge proportion inherit it, for instance.The politics of envy is very much alive on this thread I see!
Your second point assumes that I am both a) not wealthy and b) jealous of you.
A lot of assumptions here.
If you really think most wealthy people inherited their money, you're just wrong. Very few estates pass over £1m in the UK and that is often taxed then split two or three ways between siblings, so a net divided inheritance of say £250k doesn't make someone wealthy. Although they could afford 3 and a half SQ7s for cash!
PS Loved your selective quotation of my original post which was about the virtues of this type of car and the virtues of smaller, lightweight cars that aren't expensive!
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Shall we send for some sauce for the number of chips on display in this thread?
When did we all become arbiters of how others choose to spend their own money? Who am I to say what's right and wrong? I know what's right for me but I have no right to judge the choices of others, still less so with wildly sweeping statements, like some have on this thread.
It's not even half-term yet; I might have to go on a PH diet in 10 days time.
When did we all become arbiters of how others choose to spend their own money? Who am I to say what's right and wrong? I know what's right for me but I have no right to judge the choices of others, still less so with wildly sweeping statements, like some have on this thread.
It's not even half-term yet; I might have to go on a PH diet in 10 days time.
The term 'performance diesel' is interesting. How do we define performance?
When I think of performance engines I tend to think of free revving, 7000+rpm with instant throttle response. However an engine can have all those characteristics and yet not be very powerful (the twin cam motor in the original MX5s come to mind as an example of this). So on one hand how can a diesel ever be labelled as a 'performance' engine and on the other how can some lower powered (but delightful) petrol engines be called it either.
When I think of performance engines I tend to think of free revving, 7000+rpm with instant throttle response. However an engine can have all those characteristics and yet not be very powerful (the twin cam motor in the original MX5s come to mind as an example of this). So on one hand how can a diesel ever be labelled as a 'performance' engine and on the other how can some lower powered (but delightful) petrol engines be called it either.
Lots of People buy a Q7 for lots of different reasons , im a owner of 7 years !! our 4.2 diesel has done 97000 miles , its been up stelvio pass , dragged a racecar trailer to Spa 6 times , carried a massive amount of race car spares all over the uk as well as camping equipment all over europe and pretty high speed . in a recent drag down the runway at bruntingthorpe its bashed into its limiter at 155 pretty hard !!
Amazingly i manage to park it in tesco's without damaging anybody elses car and it recently took 7 adults on a meal out with no problems .
its was bought to do a job and it does it very well in the seven years i have owned it she has had a regular service every year and 1 faulty parking sensor replaced .
not a big fan of the styling of the new Q7 but im sure its a very capable machine .
would i buy a SQ7 ? perhaps but i prefer the look of the new Jaguar F pace .
Amazingly i manage to park it in tesco's without damaging anybody elses car and it recently took 7 adults on a meal out with no problems .
its was bought to do a job and it does it very well in the seven years i have owned it she has had a regular service every year and 1 faulty parking sensor replaced .
not a big fan of the styling of the new Q7 but im sure its a very capable machine .
would i buy a SQ7 ? perhaps but i prefer the look of the new Jaguar F pace .
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