RE: Audi SQ7: Review
Discussion
I wonder whether a P1-style hybrid with torque fill would be a better alternative than an electically driven compressor.
An electrically driven compressor on top of the conventional turbo seems like a sideways step at best when the conventional turbo could be electrically driven with an F1/WEC style MGU-H seems to be the end point.
An electrically driven compressor on top of the conventional turbo seems like a sideways step at best when the conventional turbo could be electrically driven with an F1/WEC style MGU-H seems to be the end point.
Andy20vt said:
Interesting technology there but unfortunately the Q7 is consumerism at it's absolute worst! Not particularly talented in any one area, a vulgar 'chav chariot', an extravagant waste of money designed for the terminally vain and the permanently self absorbed!
I could afford to buy three of these - with cash. Think I'll stick to my second hand RS4 though. Lovely to drive, quicker that the Q7, very rare, very practical and a 1/4 of the price of a new Q7.
Does your RS4 seat seven adults in comfort ? ... Hmmm thought not, I have had several 7 seaters over the past few years as neither of my parents drive any more and I am frequently making journeys 6 up including them - plus carting daughters and their school friends to and from parties and other social gatherings.I could afford to buy three of these - with cash. Think I'll stick to my second hand RS4 though. Lovely to drive, quicker that the Q7, very rare, very practical and a 1/4 of the price of a new Q7.
Edited by Andy20vt on Thursday 5th May 14:31
Believe it or not many of us have a regular if not permanent use for more than 2, 4 or 5 seats in a car, enjoy the benefits of AWD and some of us can afford to indulge in a "performance" version of said vehicle.
GranCab said:
Andy20vt said:
Interesting technology there but unfortunately the Q7 is consumerism at it's absolute worst! Not particularly talented in any one area, a vulgar 'chav chariot', an extravagant waste of money designed for the terminally vain and the permanently self absorbed!
I could afford to buy three of these - with cash. Think I'll stick to my second hand RS4 though. Lovely to drive, quicker that the Q7, very rare, very practical and a 1/4 of the price of a new Q7.
Does your RS4 seat seven adults in comfort ? ... Hmmm thought not, I have had several 7 seaters over the past few years as neither of my parents drive any more and I am frequently making journeys 6 up including them - plus carting daughters and their school friends to and from parties and other social gatherings.I could afford to buy three of these - with cash. Think I'll stick to my second hand RS4 though. Lovely to drive, quicker that the Q7, very rare, very practical and a 1/4 of the price of a new Q7.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 5th May 14:31
Believe it or not many of us have a regular if not permanent use for more than 2, 4 or 5 seats in a car, enjoy the benefits of AWD and some of us can afford to indulge in a "performance" version of said vehicle.
CoinSl0t said:
GranCab said:
Andy20vt said:
Interesting technology there but unfortunately the Q7 is consumerism at it's absolute worst! Not particularly talented in any one area, a vulgar 'chav chariot', an extravagant waste of money designed for the terminally vain and the permanently self absorbed!
I could afford to buy three of these - with cash. Think I'll stick to my second hand RS4 though. Lovely to drive, quicker that the Q7, very rare, very practical and a 1/4 of the price of a new Q7.
Does your RS4 seat seven adults in comfort ? ... Hmmm thought not, I have had several 7 seaters over the past few years as neither of my parents drive any more and I am frequently making journeys 6 up including them - plus carting daughters and their school friends to and from parties and other social gatherings.I could afford to buy three of these - with cash. Think I'll stick to my second hand RS4 though. Lovely to drive, quicker that the Q7, very rare, very practical and a 1/4 of the price of a new Q7.
Edited by Andy20vt on Thursday 5th May 14:31
Believe it or not many of us have a regular if not permanent use for more than 2, 4 or 5 seats in a car, enjoy the benefits of AWD and some of us can afford to indulge in a "performance" version of said vehicle.
Because I am CONSIDERABLY RICHER THAN YOU.
PhilboSE said:
If that was the message in your original post then you hid it extremely well - by making absolutely no allusion to it at all.
I would hope that no-one would buy an SQ7 under the illusion that it is a sports car. They probably do so because they want a large car with a bit more "go" than average, and they can afford to indulge their desires. Very few people need the car they drive, nearly everyone buys a car they want. Otherwise we'd all be driving the cheapest vehicular "appliance" that we could.
However your point was that this car, in particular, was an "abomination" (based on its size) and you questioned its utilitarian value and the "irony" of owning one. However, driving something that is very nearly just as big, and yet has much less utility value (7 seats? 3.5 ton towing capability?), is delicious irony and hypocrisy at its very best.
Nice try Phil, but you fail on a few points. I had no intention originally of discussing my choice of vehicle. You raised it, not me. Similarly, I had no intention of raising any performance aspect either. My main point was its sheer size. You clearly have the ability to read enough to have recognised that at least, before you began with your remarkable tangent.I would hope that no-one would buy an SQ7 under the illusion that it is a sports car. They probably do so because they want a large car with a bit more "go" than average, and they can afford to indulge their desires. Very few people need the car they drive, nearly everyone buys a car they want. Otherwise we'd all be driving the cheapest vehicular "appliance" that we could.
However your point was that this car, in particular, was an "abomination" (based on its size) and you questioned its utilitarian value and the "irony" of owning one. However, driving something that is very nearly just as big, and yet has much less utility value (7 seats? 3.5 ton towing capability?), is delicious irony and hypocrisy at its very best.
About the only point you HAVE raised (finally), was the fact that these obese vehicles can carry more than a sedan. Well no s
t sherlock. So does a bus.zerovira said:
2300 kg for a car is clearly too much.
I like the engine, but I cannot help but think that in a 1500 kg car it would be a monster, yet in this behemoth it struggles to move.
I honestly cannot think on any valid reason to justify this beast, other than "because I can". Its like an european version of the hummer h2 . Utterly pointless.
But don't mind me, I am the kind of guy who thinks that a proper sports car should weight less than a ton, and it is clear that the market disagrees.
You seem to be the only person here who is confusing the SQ7 with a "proper sports car". No-one else has suggested such a ridiculous concept.I like the engine, but I cannot help but think that in a 1500 kg car it would be a monster, yet in this behemoth it struggles to move.
I honestly cannot think on any valid reason to justify this beast, other than "because I can". Its like an european version of the hummer h2 . Utterly pointless.
But don't mind me, I am the kind of guy who thinks that a proper sports car should weight less than a ton, and it is clear that the market disagrees.
You also don't seem to understand the nature of engines, because this one would be completely ill-suited to a 1500kg car.
2300kg too much for a car? Well, if you can make something that seats 7 and goes this fast and complies with modern safety/comfort levels then congratulations you're a world class engineer - because no-one else can do such a thing.
big_rob_sydney said:
Nice try Phil, but you fail on a few points. I had no intention originally of discussing my choice of vehicle. You raised it, not me. Similarly, I had no intention of raising any performance aspect either. My main point was its sheer size. You clearly have the ability to read enough to have recognised that at least, before you began with your remarkable tangent.
About the only point you HAVE raised (finally), was the fact that these obese vehicles can carry more than a sedan. Well no st sherlock. So does a bus.
Seriously, help me out here Big Rob. You go on about how big these cars are, yet you drive something that is pretty much the same size and yet far less practical. I raised it because of the spectacular hypocrisy. Apologies if you take dissecting your bizarre statements as a "remarkable tangent". Why are you choosing to do something that you regard as stupid?About the only point you HAVE raised (finally), was the fact that these obese vehicles can carry more than a sedan. Well no s
t sherlock. So does a bus.PhilboSE said:
2300kg too much for a car?
I always thought my X5 felt too heavy at 2200kg and under braking and around corners it always felt its weight and it made me smile that reviews described that it drove like a normal car...it certainly didn't as far as I was concerned.Don't get me wrong it was fairly quick for what it was but it didn't hide it's weight that well at all, I always think how does a Range Rover drive because they are far more heavy.
The torque figure looks very impressive on the SQ7 though for sure.
big_rob_sydney said:
skyrover said:
UK roads are plenty wide enough.
Buses and lorries are approx 25% wider than the Q7 which themselves fit into our roads just fine.
Well I guess we should use every available inch (never mind traffic coming the other way then).Buses and lorries are approx 25% wider than the Q7 which themselves fit into our roads just fine.
I live in rural Northumberland with some of the worst roads in the UK yet most people around here manage just fine with SUVs and pickups
cerb4.5lee said:
PhilboSE said:
2300kg too much for a car?
I always thought my X5 felt too heavy at 2200kg and under braking and around corners it always felt its weight and it made me smile that reviews described that it drove like a normal car...it certainly didn't as far as I was concerned.Don't get me wrong it was fairly quick for what it was but it didn't hide it's weight that well at all, I always think how does a Range Rover drive because they are far more heavy.
The torque figure looks very impressive on the SQ7 though for sure.
skyrover said:
I live in rural Northumberland with some of the worst roads in the UK yet most people around here manage just fine with SUVs and pickups
Yes of course 'they're' fine (which I guess is the whole point behind these barges). Unfortunately their bulk and size, and possibly the way they seem to be driven, at least round the lanes here in Cheshire is often to the detriment of anyone else unlucky enough to be coming the other way, particularly vulnerable cyclists or those is smaller vehicles unlucky enough to come into contact with said heavy SUV and the foul mouth of it's chavy owner.I was wondering when all this wonderful techno trickery, electric torque fill stuff would start filtering down from the hypercars to normal cars....and it appears in a Q7 first of all places.
It's fantastic and all but Audi, can you now go and stick it in a normal sized petrol saloon or hatchback please.
It's fantastic and all but Audi, can you now go and stick it in a normal sized petrol saloon or hatchback please.
Andy20vt said:
Interesting technology there but unfortunately the Q7 is consumerism at it's absolute worst! Not particularly talented in any one area, a vulgar 'chav chariot', an extravagant waste of money designed for the terminally vain and the permanently self absorbed!
I could afford to buy three of these - with cash. Think I'll stick to my second hand RS4 though. Lovely to drive, quicker that the Q7, very rare, very practical and a 1/4 of the price of a new Q7.
So lets read in-between the lines.....You can't afford one let alone three, so your sticking with your smaller, older, cheaper car, but you must stop along the way, in your RS4 which is a right little shrinking violet of a car, and point out how you'd never buy the Q7 because it's a disgusting expression of brash consumerism.I could afford to buy three of these - with cash. Think I'll stick to my second hand RS4 though. Lovely to drive, quicker that the Q7, very rare, very practical and a 1/4 of the price of a new Q7.
Edited by Andy20vt on Thursday 5th May 14:31
patch5674 said:
So lets read in-between the lines.....You can't afford one let alone three, so your sticking with your smaller, older, cheaper car, but you must stop along the way, in your RS4 which is a right little shrinking violet of a car, and point out how you'd never buy the Q7 because it's a disgusting expression of brash consumerism.
Haha you'd love to think so wouldn't you? Part of the reason I could buy three is that I've not wasted money on pointless barges like this in the first place. I wasn't trying to brag about that so sorry if it came across that way. It was mentioned purely to make the point that even though I could buy three, I wouldn't waste my money on one. Prefer to save my cash for older, yet more iconic machinery. Still if your idea of wealth (or appearing to be wealthy) is leasing one of these then please go ahead if it's necessary to make you feel good about yourself. I'll stick with my 'older car' thanks 
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