RE: TVR's rebirth - can it work? PH Blog
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Isn't this; damned if they do, damned if they don't.
They've shown teasers, got deposits, so job done from that perspective. Car development takes a while folks.
Now if they show a half baked car it does not have the same impact as launching a ready to buy car. "Here it is, sign here".
Launching a half built ship with champagne cracking across the bow has less impact > although has been it done.
They've shown teasers, got deposits, so job done from that perspective. Car development takes a while folks.
Now if they show a half baked car it does not have the same impact as launching a ready to buy car. "Here it is, sign here".
Launching a half built ship with champagne cracking across the bow has less impact > although has been it done.
Edited by Hugh Jarse on Saturday 7th May 08:19
Ekona said:
I can't see this doing anything other than dying on it's arse tbh.
No chance of it being that light (1150), no chance of it being that price (65K). It may well drive nicely, but it'll need to do a hell of a lot more than that to pull people away from the bigger brands. There's a very good reason TVR died, and I can't see anything here to tempt me to put down a deposit.
It's as much pie in the sky stuff as the latest Mexican or Romanian supercar. And we all know what happens to those.
1150kg isn't impossible with todays materials and looking at other istream vehicles.No chance of it being that light (1150), no chance of it being that price (65K). It may well drive nicely, but it'll need to do a hell of a lot more than that to pull people away from the bigger brands. There's a very good reason TVR died, and I can't see anything here to tempt me to put down a deposit.
It's as much pie in the sky stuff as the latest Mexican or Romanian supercar. And we all know what happens to those.
400bhp? more like 500-550bhp, with the US available tuning options on that engine very cheap - bolt a supercharger package on for 750bhp for not much money.
Side exiting exhausts so the underside can be flat for aerodynamic downforce reasons. There's many reasons to like this car.
BUT. Car or model under a sheet - really? Come on Les we really want to see something. Either this is foolish, or very clever PR - I mean, we're all talking about it.
I've owned 2 TVRs from new over period of 13 years so hopefully going to be their target market (who knows, they don't have a product yet). I would be interested in a new Cerbera - there isn't much out there if you want a raw 4 seater (3+1 in the TVR's case). I've not put a deposit down (what's the point?) and will wait to see what they come up with. There's no point marketing the car if it doesn't exist, I'm not sure what they are doing in London ?
I can certainly believe it will be lightweight e.g. 1200kg but I'm not expecting it to be "cheap" as people think they used to be (I think you have to go back to the late 80s and early 90s for that). The modern TVRs were competing with base 911s.....
I can certainly believe it will be lightweight e.g. 1200kg but I'm not expecting it to be "cheap" as people think they used to be (I think you have to go back to the late 80s and early 90s for that). The modern TVRs were competing with base 911s.....
I love TVRs. I love what they stand for. I know this latest offering will only be in part following the spirit of TVRs of old. For a start, it will be expensive and out of the reach of the common man or woman.
However, I understand their approach. You give too much to the media early on and you are spending too much energy fighting with PR rather than developing the car.
Murray really needed this. He was really let down by management when he got involved with the SLR. His original intention was a light weight back to basics engineering car but marketing overruled and made it heavy and plumped it with heavy luxuries. This is a chance for Murray to achieve what he set out to do back then so he is on a mission.
For all we know, the secrecy could be driven by innovative technology which could earn them funding via patents and which can then cascade down to future cheaper models which would then be affordable to the common man/woman.
However, I understand their approach. You give too much to the media early on and you are spending too much energy fighting with PR rather than developing the car.
Murray really needed this. He was really let down by management when he got involved with the SLR. His original intention was a light weight back to basics engineering car but marketing overruled and made it heavy and plumped it with heavy luxuries. This is a chance for Murray to achieve what he set out to do back then so he is on a mission.
For all we know, the secrecy could be driven by innovative technology which could earn them funding via patents and which can then cascade down to future cheaper models which would then be affordable to the common man/woman.
BJWoods said:
It is not going to be 400bhp
It is 400+BHP per tonne. Power to weight..
A Mclaren 570 is ~ 422 bhp per tonne.
Tvr weight is going to be ~1150kg. Which equates to ~460 BHP +
I asked today at the motorshow (I'm a deposit holder).
It's shorter than an F type, similar width
Gordon Murray has his name heavily linked to this, he was hiving a talk on tvr stand width a deep press crush yesterday. Making it all at least very plausible. We will see.
Thanks for the information.It is 400+BHP per tonne. Power to weight..
A Mclaren 570 is ~ 422 bhp per tonne.
Tvr weight is going to be ~1150kg. Which equates to ~460 BHP +
I asked today at the motorshow (I'm a deposit holder).
It's shorter than an F type, similar width
Gordon Murray has his name heavily linked to this, he was hiving a talk on tvr stand width a deep press crush yesterday. Making it all at least very plausible. We will see.
Edited by BJWoods on Friday 6th May 20:11
Another car that's sadly too wide for the back lanes. I'm out. Might as well buy a Transit..
Black S2K said:
Thanks for the information.
Another car that's sadly too wide for the back lanes. I'm out. Might as well buy a Transit..
Guessing that's not exactly the target. Besides, it'd be hard to make a less pleasing car to drive hard on a bumpy B road than the poorly suspended S2K, the transit would probably do better Another car that's sadly too wide for the back lanes. I'm out. Might as well buy a Transit..
BJWoods said:
It is not going to be 400bhp
It is 400+BHP per tonne. Power to weight..
A Mclaren 570 is ~ 422 bhp per tonne.
Tvr weight is going to be ~1150kg. Which equates to ~460 BHP +
Thanks for these clarifications directly from the display stand. Power-to-weight ratio is more than impressive. We will be keen to learn more about that uncommonly low figure for total mass. This could make for interesting handling / cornering / braking.It is 400+BHP per tonne. Power to weight..
A Mclaren 570 is ~ 422 bhp per tonne.
Tvr weight is going to be ~1150kg. Which equates to ~460 BHP +
leef44 said:
I love TVRs. I love what they stand for. I know this latest offering will only be in part following the spirit of TVRs of old. For a start, it will be expensive and out of the reach of the common man or woman.
This is arguably the most essential statement of the thread. I need to adjust my expectations, and I reckon others here will want to do the same.The other things you've stated bring a lot of clarity. I now have a sense for the motivation that drives the team and Murray. They are building the car that was previously denied. Their mission is almost personal.
It's the stuff of classic literature and thrilling movies, really: Tell a man that he can't do something. Or tell him that his dream must become a corporate camel -- a horse by committee. Well... When he breaks free... You had better watch out, because he's going to build it the right way this time.
This brings back memories of the 'Marcos revival' in the early 2000's....
This was going to be a new lightweight V8 affordable British sportscar that would bring back a once famous marque and look what happened to that project.
The Marcos was, arguably, ahead of its time - look at the profiles of the TSO from 2004 ( Marcos ) and the car referred to in this article at the start - the Maserati Alfieri - Maserati
And I say this as a big fan of Marcos - I had a Mantis which was a great car.
I wish TVR well, but as was written in the article, if I was in the market for a car of this type, then a Jaaaaag F type would be 'the one'....
This was going to be a new lightweight V8 affordable British sportscar that would bring back a once famous marque and look what happened to that project.
The Marcos was, arguably, ahead of its time - look at the profiles of the TSO from 2004 ( Marcos ) and the car referred to in this article at the start - the Maserati Alfieri - Maserati
And I say this as a big fan of Marcos - I had a Mantis which was a great car.
I wish TVR well, but as was written in the article, if I was in the market for a car of this type, then a Jaaaaag F type would be 'the one'....
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