RE: Shed of the Week: MG ZS 180
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Good shed and looks to be in decent, unmolested condition. The only thing that concerns me about the ad is this statement: "I cannot be held responsible for any fault that may occur with the car after you have bought it". This is pretty much implied anyway with a private sale and there is no comeback, so is the seller expecting something to go wrong soon? Possibly the reason for sale?
MarkRSi said:
300bhp/ton said:
PEAK numbers aren't the most important. Look how the KV6 massively out performs the FA20 engine.
Well to be fair that's hardly an achivement given the GT86's engine is probably the most gutless thing in the world 
Shambler said:
I remember when these first came out and we tested them up at knockhill, within two laps on road tyres I set a lap that would have put me in 2nd place for the touring cars. A chap in a Porsche 911 turbo was so depressed when I sailed past him on the straight. Epic epic car
Half term already?Nanook said:
300bhp/ton said:
That might be funny, if it was even close to being true. But I'm afraid it just rather a lot of ignorance and misunderstanding. But please do carry on...
What on earth are you blabbering on about now? Look how massively it ourperforms it? What, you mean the larger engine with more cylinders makes more torque through the rev range, yet less peak power?Do you understand or believe what you're talking about? Or are the delusions talking over? Massively outperforms it by having 25% more capacity, 50% more cylinders and making 7/8ths of the power?
What I can tell you is, the FA20 is currently one of the highest specific output n/a engines available today and pretty much matches any other mass market 4 pot engine that has been built so far for a car. The S2k being the exception.
It also makes very good torque for a 2.0 litre n/a motor. And matches or exceeds almost any other 2.0 litre n/a engine, so by any 'reasonable' terms is not gutless.
That said, the KV6 is a good engine too, very compact and lightweight compared to other DOHC V6's and with comparable power output in standard trim. So good in fact, that Kia used to build them under license for their own cars, until they developed their own engine range.
So tell me, what do you not believe then....
Nanook said:
That's because you're not so bright, and very blinkered.
I never said it was gutless, I didn't suggest it was. Someone else said that, it was a comment in a section I quoted.
I was quite clear, you're claiming it, what was it you said, massively outperforms it?
By being 25% larger, with 50% more cylinders, whilst making 22bhp less.
That's 'massively outperforming' in your book? If so, you're an idiot. Please clarify your stance on the subject. Thank you.
You really are a challenging individual aren't you. I never said it was gutless, I didn't suggest it was. Someone else said that, it was a comment in a section I quoted.
I was quite clear, you're claiming it, what was it you said, massively outperforms it?
By being 25% larger, with 50% more cylinders, whilst making 22bhp less.
That's 'massively outperforming' in your book? If so, you're an idiot. Please clarify your stance on the subject. Thank you.
300bhp/ton said:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
PEAK numbers aren't the most important. Look how the KV6 massively out performs the FA20 engine.
And maybe you could list some other 2.5 V6's of this era in mainstream cars with their outputs and see what sort of power they made.
If you are unable to read a simple graph, look at the red & purple lines from 1500rpm to around 5500rpm. I would say that is fairly compelling evidence.PEAK numbers aren't the most important. Look how the KV6 massively out performs the FA20 engine.
And maybe you could list some other 2.5 V6's of this era in mainstream cars with their outputs and see what sort of power they made.
And while you are going special case on me with the name calling. If I'm the idiot, how come all you ever manage to do is try and start arguments with me and never actually produce anything of any substance or factual evidence?
Maybe if I'm such an idiot you'd care to prove that these engines don't make the power claims I'm making, or that their power profile curves are different???
Come on, if you're the clever one, then please explain how my claim is wrong and how the FA20 massively out performs the KV6, as that is what you seem to be implying?
Shambler said:
I remember when these first came out and we tested them up at knockhill, within two laps on road tyres I set a lap that would have put me in 2nd place for the touring cars. A chap in a Porsche 911 turbo was so depressed when I sailed past him on the straight. Epic epic car
I think this is my favourite thing I've read on Pistonheads so far.
ks basically killing off any thread they are involved in. vtecyo said:
Shambler said:
I remember when these first came out and we tested them up at knockhill, within two laps on road tyres I set a lap that would have put me in 2nd place for the touring cars. A chap in a Porsche 911 turbo was so depressed when I sailed past him on the straight. Epic epic car
I think this is my favourite thing I've read on Pistonheads so far.
Shambler said:
I remember when these first came out and we tested them up at knockhill, within two laps on road tyres I set a lap that would have put me in 2nd place for the touring cars.
Hahahahahahaha 
Shambler said:
A chap in a Porsche 911 turbo was so depressed when I sailed past him on the straight. Epic epic car
And again... Hahahahahahaha https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/53/b2/4c...
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