RE: Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio Verde: Driven
Discussion
V8A*ndy said:
very good!I was the old-losing-bland one, Cmoose knew he'd won before he entered into the fight hahaaa..
Quickmoose said:
ah well there we have it I'm discussing the QV, as per the thread...
econo-box-rep stuff probably should be dull as ditch water at the helm... don't want excitable reps on the road..
The QV wont last long unless the diesels sell though, and the QV wont be fundamentally different than the diesels because (1) that would cost too much and (2) it would defeat the point of a "halo" model. econo-box-rep stuff probably should be dull as ditch water at the helm... don't want excitable reps on the road..
Again this isn't a criticism, quite the opposite; this car, just like the C63 and M3, exists to make people want to rent the low powered diesels. Whether the QV itself sells is largely irrelevant as long as it reviews well. The reviews all imply it's a highly competitive, perhaps even class-leading, car in its sector which is what we should be applauding.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 19th May 20:32
kambites said:
The QV wont last long unless the diesels sell though, and the QV wont be fundamentally different than the diesels because (1) that would cost too much and (2) it would defeat the point of a "halo" model.
Will be interesting to see what parts from the QV or which aspects of the set up filter down then, because from what has been written about the QV, it makes it 'sound' like a 'fun' enjoyable steer...So do I understand you right:
The dervs will be market sector equalling 'dull/bland' and as the QV has to survive it will be a pumped up version of said said blandness/dullness
or else, the QV is too much and the dervs/lower models will share it's fun/drive centric approach and not appeal to the demographic..
Quickmoose said:
Will be interesting to see what parts from the QV or which aspects of the set up filter down then, because from what has been written about the QV, it makes it 'sound' like a 'fun' enjoyable steer...
So do I understand you right:
The dervs will be market sector equalling 'dull/bland' and as the QV has to survive it will be a pumped up version of said said blandness/dullness
or else, the QV is too much and the dervs/lower models will share it's fun/drive centric approach and not appeal to the demographic..
What on earth are you talking about? Who said this would be in any way dull or bland? From reading the reviews it sounds like it's a fantastic car. So do I understand you right:
The dervs will be market sector equalling 'dull/bland' and as the QV has to survive it will be a pumped up version of said said blandness/dullness
or else, the QV is too much and the dervs/lower models will share it's fun/drive centric approach and not appeal to the demographic..
My point is that it'll be a great car if it's a good motorway mile muncher and a poor car if it's not because it's competing in the "motorway mile muncher" segment. It's not a sports car any more than the M3 is and if they try to make it one it'll fail miserably because it'll end up being worse than the competition at its primary purpose.
I'm sure Alfa could make it a far better car to throw down a B-road than the competition but in doing so they'd make it rubbish at what people will actually buy it to do.
Putting the effort into making a car in this segment a tactile delight would be like putting effort into making the Elise good offroad. It would completely ruin the car.
ETA: I should probably add "IMO" to that.
I'm sure Alfa could make it a far better car to throw down a B-road than the competition but in doing so they'd make it rubbish at what people will actually buy it to do.
Putting the effort into making a car in this segment a tactile delight would be like putting effort into making the Elise good offroad. It would completely ruin the car.
ETA: I should probably add "IMO" to that.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 19th May 20:44
Indeed, I want the thing to succeed and to be honest it won't have to do very much to be dynamically superior to the current M3. I just hope they don't push it too far down the "driver's car" path and end up selling none of the things because it has appalling NVH.
For many people the line between "steering feel" and "unpleasant vibrations" isn't just fine, it doesn't exist.
For many people the line between "steering feel" and "unpleasant vibrations" isn't just fine, it doesn't exist.
leglessAlex said:
Obviously, you don't like the fact that they're trying to produce a competitor to the M3, RS4 and C63 and that's totally ok!
You misunderstood me. I pointed out it will not be a competitor because it will not sell in the same numbers. Alfa is a similar car from the same segment, yes, but it is not a competitor in the same sense as a small training shoe manufacturer not being a competitor for Nike or Adidas. Yes they make similar stuff, but the former will sell in very different volumes than the latter.I do like the fact Alfa has finally made a sports saloon. I still miss the old Masers and in some ways this Alfa is in my mind a replacement for old Quattroporte Evo - a deliciously ludicrous performance saloon (available with a manual box!) that never sold in massive numbers but was interesting alternative to somewhat boring established germans. And a real heart attack inducer on a wet road...
Really for the other thread... but crikey, it seems the lesser might out handle and have beter weighted steering/feel than the 3 or the XE...
Can't wait tomake up my own mind now!
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/alfa-rome...
It does appear however they engineered the car to have some typical Italian flaws... interior quality
Can't wait tomake up my own mind now!
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/alfa-rome...
It does appear however they engineered the car to have some typical Italian flaws... interior quality
Quickmoose said:
It does appear however they engineered the car to have some typical Italian flaws... interior quality
So we finally have the fast, glorious sounding, good looking, RWD Italian sports saloon that we've always hoped Alfa would make, and people are hung up on f***ing soft touch plastics? I do despair. Edited by Ali_T on Friday 20th May 22:07
gweaver said:
anonymous said:
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Perhaps an opportunity for tuning companies though. A few suspension geometry tweaks, new EPAS software, change in master cylinder would transform many modern cars.Why do people think companies with millions if not billions to spend on car development (yes, even FCA) and having the world's cream of engineering (or to put it clearly : Ferrari in this case) would be worse at tuning suspension than a couple of guys in an (expensive or not) shed?
anonymous said:
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Alfa has a way of setting it up the way I (and others prone to liking the cars they bring out) want it, but even if they would not, I will never trust an outfit that uses AQL=1 or similar. In particular when it comes to brakes, suspension etc. Not much room for error and lots of potential.anonymous said:
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Thank you for making my point.As with most modern cars, my current car has over-servoed brakes and tyres with tiny sidewalls, presumably because the manufacturers think that is what will sell to the widest audience. Unfortunately the discerning Pistonheader is not the core market, even for some supposed "performance cars".
If you want to configure the way your car drives, your options generally are:
- The DNA switch (or similar), offering a choice between flat & hyperactive throttle, light & very light steering, firm or very firm suspension.
- Order your car with whichever wheel/suspension option, if any (this may be mutually exclusive with the engine/trim you want)
- Buy bespoke from the likes of Caterham, JLR SVO etc.
- Modify (and suffer the insurance premiums)
chris harris said:
Use all the track. All of it.
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