RE: Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio Verde: Driven
Discussion
sidesauce said:
Alex_225 said:
a Brera Spider and it's a cracking looking convertible
As a former Alfa owner myself I have to disagree with you on that one - the Brera Spider is one of the most ill-proportioned cars Alfa ever made; the front and rear overhangs make it look like the wheels are too far inboard (from a profile perspective) and it's even more galling as the concept was soooo good looking to begin with...Concept:
Execution:
Same goes for the Coupe too:
post a picture of a Spider and not an unrelated concept.
and
viewed from almost any other angle apart form dead on side, and the Brera/Spider was/is a thing of beauty..one of those cars that should be viewed on the move around it as a 3d object rather than critiquing it from a 2d side on photo...
but yeah...it was heavily compromised as it was productionised (sic)..
Hmm, obviously these things are very personaly, but personally I think the Brera was a truly foul looking car from anything except the front. The Spider worked better as long as you avoid looking at it from the side or parking it next to an actual sports car which shows its bulk.
Mind you, I think the 4C is vile too and this is average at best. Clearly I just don't "get" Alfa's modern design language. The last Alfa I liked the styling of was the 159 estate.
Mind you, I think the 4C is vile too and this is average at best. Clearly I just don't "get" Alfa's modern design language. The last Alfa I liked the styling of was the 159 estate.
Edited by kambites on Friday 13th May 18:42
kambites said:
Hmm, obviously these things are very personaly, but personally I think the Brera was an truly foul looking car from anything except the front. The Spider worked better as long as you avoid looking at it from the side or parking it next to an actual sports car which shows its bulk.
hmm yeah it is personaly... is an good view 
Wills2 said:
Looking at the weight and power figures that's going to be a bit of a beast 1580kg/510hp over 320hp/tonne is way ahead of the M3 and porky C63 even in S guise.
Good looking too and well priced, very nice I want one!
Don't forget the Germans weigh "EU" which is wet with a driver and luggage. Alfa weighed the 4C dry, I've no idea what this figure is. Good looking too and well priced, very nice I want one!
Mind you, even if the weight is dry it's still at least on a par with the M3 as far as power to weight ratio is concerned. However you look at it, 510bhp from a mass produced 2.9 litre engine shows how far things have come in recent years.
Edited by kambites on Friday 13th May 19:02
According to CAR Magazine's review, "Other markets get a choice of manual or auto, but the cost of engineering the stick-shift to work with right-hand drive wasn’t considered worth the hassle. Don’t lose any sleep over that: it’s pretty clunky anyway...", so it seems like we in the UK might not be missing out on much.
kambites said:
Wills2 said:
Looking at the weight and power figures that's going to be a bit of a beast 1580kg/510hp over 320hp/tonne is way ahead of the M3 and porky C63 even in S guise.
Good looking too and well priced, very nice I want one!
Don't forget the Germans weigh "EU" which is wet with a driver and luggage. Alfa weighed the 4C dry, I've no idea what this figure is. Good looking too and well priced, very nice I want one!
Mind you, even if the weight is dry it's still at least on a par with the M3 as far as power to weight ratio is concerned. However you look at it, 510bhp from a mass produced 2.9 litre engine shows how far things have come in recent years.
Edited by kambites on Friday 13th May 19:02
Ian_UK1 said:
NDNDNDND said:
No manual in RHD?
Oh well...
Complete deal breaker for me, despite a history of Alfa ownership in years gone by. (75 3.0. 164 3.0, 156 2.5, 159 Estate). The possibility of 510BHP + manual 'box + decent chassis dynamics had put the Giulia QV firmly on the shopping list for later this year. 8-speed auto only is a huge, disappointing, let-down and = no longer remotely interested. Alfa just lost a customer and I've a feeling I won't be the only one. Oh well...
Why does Alfa always f*ck things up?
Edited by Ian_UK1 on Friday 13th May 16:35
I was slowly getting warmed up to the looks, but lack of manual is a deal breaker for me.
how much will they really be in the uk market? Assuming no one in their right mind will pay full asking price on a mainstream Alfa they are going to have to offer some serious dealer inventives to shift any in the uk where everyone is fixated on the German brands. Surely we can expect to see free upgrades, £5k to £10k dealer contribution, 0% finance etc?
I'm tempted at £40k for a manual but they are living in fantasy land at £50k + and no manual.
I'm tempted at £40k for a manual but they are living in fantasy land at £50k + and no manual.
Edited by ducnick on Friday 13th May 19:48
ducnick said:
how much will they really be in the uk market? Assuming no one in their right mind will pay full asking price on a mainstream Alfa they are going to have to offer some serious dealer inventives to shift any in the uk where everyone is fixated on the German brands. Surely we can expect to see free upgrades, £5k to £10k dealer contribution, 0% finance etc?
I'm tempted at £40k for a manual but they are living in fantasy land at £50k + and no manual.
The vast majority of cars over £50K are autos, so why make something that simply won't sell?I'm tempted at £40k for a manual but they are living in fantasy land at £50k + and no manual.
Edited by ducnick on Friday 13th May 19:48
kambites said:
Fresh Prince said:
90 degree V6? What do they have to do to make that balanced, and does it affect the engine (sound, rev-ability etc)?
30 degree offset crank pins and a balancer shaft, I'd imagine. A 90 degree V6 is a bit of a bodge but modern designs do a pretty decent job of sorting out the imbalances. The only slight concern would be whether such a complex crank design is strong enough to deal with that much torque but other manufacturers seem to have managed it fine.
Edited by kambites on Friday 13th May 18:31
Jimbo. said:
The vast majority of cars over £50K are autos, so why make something that simply won't sell?
You have hit the nail on the head there. At £55k for a super saloon in this sector there is some serious competition with better recent pedigree of doing that kind of thing. However they are all auto. If Alfa want to take a segment of this market without intruding on the big brother that is Maserati they need to do something slightly different to appeal to the kind of person who might be tempted by a £55k Alfa and all the trials and tribulations that will undoubtedly come with ownership!Veeayt said:
Maser turbos were V6 90 degree, so there's pedigree for you )
Best sounding v6 road car of all time with the 2.5 webber ones and highest specific output of any road car in its day for the cup. Also similar heritage being shortened v8'sI really miss the noise of my old practically in silenced one
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