RE: BMW M140i and M240i announced
Discussion
yonex said:
Seemingly not as thick as the guy who bought a car he didn't like after test driving 
You can't always fully understand a car after a brief test drive and to think you can is wrong, especially on a 30 min drive with a sales person sat next to you.I try and get a 24-48 hour test drive to get to grips with a car but even then you can still go wrong. I didn't realise how poor and overly active the ESP system was in my 640d until really pushing the car, it's a major flaw for me and really dents the ownership experience.
To conclude you need to calm down.
Lowtimer said:
Slippydiff said:
Sorry, I couldn't find the bit about not replacing main bearing caps in the link above, could you post a screenshot of it please ?
I didnt say it was in that link. It's in the BMW tech brochure for the engine family.http://s3.bimmerfile.com.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-conte...
The inability to replace main bearing caps wouldn't be a deciding factor in whether I'd buy a 340/240/140i.
Quite simply if the engine has run it's bearings/grenaded to the point it requires new main bearing caps, the inability to replace damaged said caps would I'd suggest, be the least of your worries.
scherzkeks said:
nickfrog said:
That was very funny, particularly by your standards of humour 
DN15 ?
Went for a test drive on Thursday, knew nothing about M140i but ordered one at not much more cost than an M135i. Adaptive dampers, widescreen sat nav, driver comfort pack, sun protect glass, reverse camera and I can't remember what else. Arrives in 12 wks.
I'll be detailing it myself with new car protection so no need for supaguard either!
Now the waiting starts!
I'll be detailing it myself with new car protection so no need for supaguard either!
Now the waiting starts!
Edited by spirocheter on Sunday 10th July 22:58
Cheers, I was happy we got a good price. Specced service pack also which is a no brainer as we'll be keeping it for at least 5 yrs. I didn't get too aggressive with the dealer because he offered a pretty good deal very early on.
I'd looked at pre registered cars but all had wrong combination of options, this might have saved us a bit, but the torque figures on M140i particularly impressive.
I wonder whether the weaker pound will put paid now to such discounts?
I wanted the adaptive dampers primarily for longer trips in comfort mode with the family though I'm sure I'll use the stiffer settings on my own. I have an 08 335d which I'll be keeping, the new one will be good for shorter trips also.
I'd looked at pre registered cars but all had wrong combination of options, this might have saved us a bit, but the torque figures on M140i particularly impressive.
I wonder whether the weaker pound will put paid now to such discounts?
I wanted the adaptive dampers primarily for longer trips in comfort mode with the family though I'm sure I'll use the stiffer settings on my own. I have an 08 335d which I'll be keeping, the new one will be good for shorter trips also.
Edited by spirocheter on Sunday 10th July 22:57
Lowtimer said:
Slippydiff said:
Sorry, I couldn't find the bit about not replacing main bearing caps in the link above, could you post a screenshot of it please ?
I didnt say it was in that link. It's in the BMW tech brochure for the engine family.http://s3.bimmerfile.com.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-conte...
nunpuncher said:
I think when the M135i first came out there were a few decent reviews in an emperors new clothes "by golly it's faster than any hatch we've ever driven" sort of way. However, reviews since, and indeed the reviews of the facelift version were lukewarm at best. The fact most magazine group tests haven't even bothered putting it in against the likes of the megane, Type R, A45, Golf R etc speaks volumes about it's true character. When it has shown up in a group test it's never fared well.
6 cylinders and RWD is still enough to convince some it's a drivers car though.
TBH I find the opposite and that they're much more interesting and involving than the Golf R (haven't driven an A45 or new CTR yet to compare but they're not really my thing), which seems to revel in making 300 horsepower boring! I think the M135i's a great all-rounder and actually it's the mini GT character that leads to the results in the group tests you mention. In the last one I watched, the journo said the drivetrain was a peach (it is) but that the car was set-up more as a cruiser than something set-up for track days (I agree). - You can undoubtedly change that via the aftermarket though if you want to. - It's not a car that's all about attracting attention in the McDonalds car park like some of it's opposition, with their lairy styling (Civic) and comedy exhausts (A45, Golf R).6 cylinders and RWD is still enough to convince some it's a drivers car though.
If I had to pick one car to do it all (including sensible economy and running costs), I'd probably end-up with one!
Clivey said:
nunpuncher said:
I think when the M135i first came out there were a few decent reviews in an emperors new clothes "by golly it's faster than any hatch we've ever driven" sort of way. However, reviews since, and indeed the reviews of the facelift version were lukewarm at best. The fact most magazine group tests haven't even bothered putting it in against the likes of the megane, Type R, A45, Golf R etc speaks volumes about it's true character. When it has shown up in a group test it's never fared well.
6 cylinders and RWD is still enough to convince some it's a drivers car though.
TBH I find the opposite and that they're much more interesting and involving than the Golf R (haven't driven an A45 or new CTR yet to compare but they're not really my thing), which seems to revel in making 300 horsepower boring! I think the M135i's a great all-rounder and actually it's the mini GT character that leads to the results in the group tests you mention. In the last one I watched, the journo said the drivetrain was a peach (it is) but that the car was set-up more as a cruiser than something set-up for track days (I agree). - You can undoubtedly change that via the aftermarket though if you want to. - It's not a car that's all about attracting attention in the McDonalds car park like some of it's opposition, with their lairy styling (Civic) and comedy exhausts (A45, Golf R).6 cylinders and RWD is still enough to convince some it's a drivers car though.
If I had to pick one car to do it all (including sensible economy and running costs), I'd probably end-up with one!
The interior is poor and looks cheap, the touchscreen is the most stupid thing I've seen in a car for some time.
The body is a simple and uninteresting slab sided block with a few exhausts sticking out the back, the stock wheels look like cheap and nasty halfords specials, the (very nice) optional ones are expensive and force a size of 19".
Fast ? yes. Involving ? no. I sat watching the speedo whizz round "oh, look, thats interesting, isn't it ?" I thought. Not "holy crap this is good". I'd have never guessed its anywhere near 280lb/ft, lower 200s maybe...
Meh. I'd buy an Astra J VXR over one, all day long - in fact you could tempt me with a late and well looked after lightly fettled H VXR, which would be far more fun to drive.
The 1 series isn't perfect, I'd have liked to have seen the x drive version here for one thing. The ZF box is excellent, its a much nicer place to sit than the Golf - the best way I can describe it is with the golf you sit on the seat, in the 1 series you sit in the car, you're more involved the moment you sit down. Like for like I found the BMW can be had for less too.
Talking about the pinnacle of handling on a track is pointless, the vast majority of cars won't ever see a track, much less be driven with the required skill to show the fractional differences between them.
There's nothing I see in a Golf that makes me even eye them with curiosity, much less consider a switch. The A45 is in another price band and by the time you add some spec it isn't that far off the next tier of cars. The Honda, well, I'm not 12 so its all a bit OTT.
Edited by Crafty_ on Friday 12th August 18:50
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