RE: Ford Focus RS vs. Honda Civic Type R

RE: Ford Focus RS vs. Honda Civic Type R

Monday 23rd May 2016

Ford Focus RS vs. Honda Civic Type R

On road and track in the two hot hatches of the moment - which is best? [updated pics]



Despite their established positions in the hot hatch firmament, the Ford Focus RS and Honda Civic Type R have never before occupied such close territory. Back in the early 2000s, affordable VTEC thrills played rally car for the road technology; the Civic was battling fast Leons and Clios, the Focus a more serious proposition to rival cars like the Subaru Impreza. At the end of the decade the gulf was even wider, the Focus RS up to £25K, five cylinders and 300hp, the Civic still comfortably under £20K and a smidge less than 200hp.

Sunshine, great roads, a track ... game on!
Sunshine, great roads, a track ... game on!
In 2016 though, the two could hardly be better placed to compete for hot hatch superiority. Both around £30,000, both producing more than 300hp and both with a host of technology to make them faster than many supercars from not so long ago. Neither is especially modest when it comes to advertising the fact either; if you want unassuming performance, go get a Golf R. But if you want entertainment, the choice is between these two. So which is the most fun? We had a weekend in Wales to find out. Because, y'know, someone had to.


On road
There's only one place to start when Saturday dawns bright and breezy. Sure, the latest fast Focus may not be as outlandish as its predecessors, particularly in white, but there's too much anticipation around this RS to ignore it. Camera gear loaded and route planned, the RS's key is the one in demand.

Focus is mighty on the road
Focus is mighty on the road
Jump in, grab the wheel, go for seat adjuster. Oh. It doesn't move. The optional Recaro seats are mounted far too high, perching you up in the cabin and making the angle with which you operate the pedals feel very peculiar. You get used to it, and the seats are very good, but it shouldn't be an issue in the first instance.

With familiarity from the Civic long-termer, there are interesting points of comparison straight away. The steering isn't quite as direct and the gearbox can't compete for slickness either, but then not much can. The Focus very soon starts to claw back ground though. Like all the best fast Fords it just works with British tarmac so well. More than that, it's engaging and accommodating at road speeds. You don't need to be a superstar to be entertained, but there's also plentiful ability in the Focus should you want to push.

+R mode possibly a bit much for UK roads
+R mode possibly a bit much for UK roads
Of course, the RS has a set of dynamics never seen in the hot hatch segment before. This makes it tremendous fun on the road, and not in some wild drift extravaganza sense either. It has sufficient mobility - more than the Civic certainly - to be braked hard into a corner and enjoy the sense of the nose nudging in. And then cannon out the other side, throttle pinned. Alternatively, peg your entry speed back and use the throttle to straighten the car to corner exit, again a sensation alien to its Haldex-derived (and rather dull by comparison) rivals.

In fact, you'll be having such a blast stringing corners together any which way you want that the engine won't have registered. While far from bad, it certainly doesn't stand out like other elements in the package. It's torquey and less laggy than the Civic, but lacks the Type R's vigour at high revs and the induction noise won't be to all tastes. Ignore the 0-62mph times as well; once up and running these cars are very close in performance. Which is really bloomin' fast.

Focus perhaps has a broader road ability
Focus perhaps has a broader road ability
The Focus makes a convincing first impression then, but certainly not an overwhelming one. Over the same stretch of Welsh B-road, there's no escaping that the Civic - sorry fast Ford fans - is simply the more exciting car.

Weight has to play a significant part. It becomes more of an issue on track, but the fact that the Civic is carrying at least 125kg less than the Focus can be felt everywhere. It feels more accelerative, it brakes more effectively and it turns in more sharply. The whole car feels more alive and eager than the Focus; the Ford is undoubtedly playful, but the Honda is thrilling to a point the RS can't quite match.

Sure, it isn't possible to replicate the Ford's antics out of corners. However, the Type R brings its own tricks, with huge mid-corner confidence and superb traction for a front-wheel drive car. It feels planted without being locked down and boring, even if the +R damper mode feels too much on the road.

As mentioned in the Megane and Civic comparison, the Type R doesn't quite have the fluency of the best hot hatches on bumpy roads. It is exciting though, sniffing out cambers and keen to deal with road imperfections as quickly as possible. It's not skittish, more a sign that it wants to be at a smooth circuit. Anglesey beckons...


On track
Even in a paddock containing a Jaguar Project 7, numerous Caterhams and a Ferrari 458 Speciale, these two are drawing plenty of attention. Why shouldn't they? They're relevant, (reasonably) attainable and definitely not shy.

It was going well until it chewed its tyres up
It was going well until it chewed its tyres up
The Focus is immediately at home on circuit. There's a cohesiveness to the control weights and responses that gives you confidence from the off, never having to second guess the car. It still feels fast on circuit too, even if doesn't quite rev beyond 6,000rpm as willingly as you'd hope.

Again though, it's the handling of the Focus that shines at Anglesey. It can do precise and quick, it can do lairy and it can do everything in between. You can even do some proper power oversteer out of the slower corners. In a Ford Focus! The weight undoes it eventually though. The brakes wilt sooner than the Civic's, and it uses more fuel too. Which is a pain when the trip to the filling station costs you 40 minutes of valuable track time. On the circuit it's a laugh, certainly, but has it done enough to claw back the Honda's advantage from the road?

Looks the part, goes like it too
Looks the part, goes like it too
No, put simply. The Civic is fantastic at Anglesey, only undone by some Continental SportContact 6s that aren't best suited to circuit driving. Trying the Type R on the Ford's Michelin Pilot SuperSport or, indeed, its optional Cup 2s, would be very interesting.

As is, the Civic can struggle for purchase into and out of a bend. It's an odd feeling; turn-in and chassis composure are superb but the rubber seems unable to exploit them. With a less greedy approach to the throttle though the Civic is mighty - chasing every last rev with the shift lights ablaze, changing up with that fantastic gearbox and leaning on the seemingly tireless Brembo brakes.

The Focus's advantages are small but noticeable - it allows left foot braking where the Civic does not, and, of course, overspeeding rear tyres are rather more entertaining than overspeeding front ones.

It's the Honda that everyone wants to drive again though, all raving about its precision and agility. It eventually becomes the only one people can drive again, as the Focus chews through its front tyres far more rapidly.


Conclusion
Before dealing with these two specifically, it's worth remembering what a great time this is for hot hatch buyers. If neither the Civic nor Focus appeals, there's the Leon Cupra, BMW M135i and, of course, the Megane Renaultsport to choose from as well.

Furthermore, while the runner-up in this test, there's no doubt that the Focus RS is a great car and another top class Ford hot hatch. It's been a fair while since we've had even an average one now...

Two great cars, one clear winner
Two great cars, one clear winner
It's a very well rounded package, offering strengths in all areas and no startling deficiencies in any. The novice driver could immediately feel at home with the RS, but so a more experienced one could also be challenged. Wound back from the Race mode it was in pretty much all weekend, the Focus is probably more refined than the Civic too.

None of those are enough to take a victory from the Type R though. The conditions favoured it, and the verdict could well have been different with Wales under water (as it tends to be). On warm, dry tarmac though, be that road or track, the Civic is simply more exciting, more fun and more involving than the Focus.

The Type R's appearance will remain an insurmountable obstacle for some. But if you like the looks, or indeed can just about stand them, you will find underneath an exhilarating and absorbing hot hatch. Is it the best of the current batch? A test with the updated Megane 275 Cup-S awaits...


FORD FOCUS RS
Engine: 2,261cc 4-cyl turbo
Transmission: 6-speed manual, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 350@6,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 324@2,000-4,500rpm (347lb ft with 'transient' overboost)
0-62mph: 4.7sec
Top speed: 165mph
Weight: 1,599kg (inc. 75kg driver)
MPG: 36.7mpg
CO2: 175g/km
Price: £34,640 (as standard £31,000, plus £250 for premium Frozen white paint, £1,000 for the Liuxury pack including powerfold mirrors, rear parking sensors, Ford key free system, cruise control with speed limiter and privacy glass, £595 for 19-inch black forged alloy wheels, £1,145 for race style RS Recaro shell seats, £465 for Ford SYNC2 Nav system including reversing camera, £85 for door edge protectors and £100 for painted brake calipers)

HONDA CIVIC TYPE R GT
Engine: 1,996cc 4-cyl turbo
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 310@6,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 295@2,500-4,500rpm
0-62mph: 5.7 sec 
Top speed: 167mph
Weight: 1,467kg (Honda figure, with fluids and driver)
MPG: 38.7mpg (Honda internal figure)
CO2: 170g/km (Honda internal figure) 
Price: £32,960 (Type R GT at £32,295, plus £525 for Championship White paint and £140 for Elegance Floor Carpets


With thanks to BookaTrack for having us at Anglesey!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Photos: Will Aron

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Discussion

Quickmoose

Original Poster:

4,482 posts

122 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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Didn't see that result coming... well done Honda, up there with the best.

I'm not a fan of the RS design, but in this comparison it's a beauty queen.
While both seem brought down by near invisible wheels in taxi-losing-wheeltrim-spec, fashione fad wish hopefully will die soon, any photo that involves the rear Civic rear wheel arch makes it look like it's been created at 3/4 scale....those large whels and tyres are lost in the mass of the bodywork.

It's a contender for the ugliest current car IMO. The agression, vents, and some details are all done with commitment and intent, but it's applied to a basic body that's truly awful.

I'm a bit of a Honda Fanboy having owned a few, but they need to sort out their styling direction quick sharp.

323ti

128 posts

120 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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Civic too chavvy, Focus too heavy.
I'll have the Megane Trophy R please. Without any stickers.

s2000db

1,152 posts

152 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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Great article thanks!

Hmmmm, so RS beats M2, now Type R beats RS.. Very confusing time for those withe a good budget to spend imo...

Tom1312

1,015 posts

145 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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In fairness to the Ford, it's trying something new for the hot hatch segment.

It's not like the big brands haven't mastered the high powered FWD car with a decent diff recipe is it?

baldy1926

2,136 posts

199 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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£140 for a set of car mats are they woven with gold thread?

MDMA .

8,849 posts

100 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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I think the Honda looks so much better than the Ford too. Which will be a deciding factor for some.

s m

23,164 posts

202 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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s2000db said:
Great article thanks!

Hmmmm, so RS beats M2, now Type R beats RS.. Very confusing time for those withe a good budget to spend imo...
......and if you don't agree with those conclusions, wait around and there'll probably be a different one along shortly.

Both look good in white with those blue sky backgrounds

peter450

1,650 posts

232 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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The RS is a legendary name and I like the looks of this new one

I've never been a fan of the Civics new age looks and its IMO lost its stand out feature which was the engine

its a shame the saloon style civic never made it here from Japan, that was the cars high water mark and it looked much better too !!

I can't help but feel that by copying everyone else they've actually shot themselves in the foot

inexoryan

1 posts

94 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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apparently ford had to 'tone down' the styling... where the flared arches at??? They both look divine in white tbf

Mastodon2

13,818 posts

164 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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peter450 said:
The RS is a legendary name and I like the looks of this new one

I've never been a fan of the Civics new age looks and its IMO lost its stand out feature which was the engine

its a shame the saloon style civic never made it here from Japan, that was the cars high water mark and it looked much better too !!

I can't help but feel that by copying everyone else they've actually shot themselves in the foot
But they've made a better car than one of their biggest competitors and they didn't have a choice about letting the old engine style go - which I lament as much as anyone, but they weren't going to be able to compete with the 300bhp hatches and meet emissions regs, or get any sort of fuel economy with an old style VTEC engine.

Civic for me please, looks more exciting than the RS and seems to be a better drive too. I didn't think the RS was going to be so heavy, what a porker. It's turned out to be a bit of a damp squib.

J4CKO

41,287 posts

199 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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Yeah, all done on bone dry tarmac, which isnt the case in the UK most of the time, 300 bhp and fwd in the wet is going to be interesting, the Ford seems better value, they are pretty much the same price yet Ford manage to include 4WD.

s m

23,164 posts

202 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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Those are just claimed weight figures I guess, not actually weighed on a measuring device?

The Autocar figures are both quite a bit heavier where there actually put them on the MIRA scales.

The discrepancy between the 2 cars is roughly right though, just over 200kg

blade7

11,311 posts

215 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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I'd be quite surprised if the Focus didn't just clear off in the wet.

RobEB

96 posts

94 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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It'd be the Focus for me, Seeing one in a car park just says to me nice car, sporty but subtle, probably powerful engine. The Honda still screams Boy Racer all over..not my style. Super Kudos to both cars topping out just shy of 170mph...seriously impressive.

stephen300o

15,464 posts

227 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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Jesus! I guess maybe you can get the frozen goods back in the fridge much quicker in these. Fastest shopping car I the west. But another car to enjoy the drive.

Selmer Mk6

245 posts

126 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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When it rains (which over the course of the year is not that much) I tend to drive slower (I live in the South of England). Therefore, 4WD/AWD is not necessary for me. I would prefer the fun over safety. Ford are chasing the Golf market, which is fine. That is why it appears to fall short in this contest.
Ford you can't have it both ways.

MrBarry123

6,025 posts

120 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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Great result for the Civic and one that's certainly proved me wrong in saying on a previous thread that the Civic didn't really have a place amongst the current crop of hot hatches!

Edited by MrBarry123 on Sunday 22 May 13:10

Daston

6,074 posts

202 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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Not surprised by the civic. At Castle Combe a pair of Type R's were putting in entry speeds that most sports cars couldn't match. I was amazed by how much over steer they seemed to get and still have time to sort it all out.

If I had the budget it would be a contender as a family car, sadly I think an FN2 is about my financial limit.

blade7

11,311 posts

215 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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Selmer Mk6 said:
When it rains (which over the course of the year is not that much) I tend to drive slower (I live in the South of England). Therefore, 4WD/AWD is not necessary for me. I would prefer the fun over safety.
I've had plenty of fun hooning in the wet in my old A4 quattro, safely.

Axionknight

8,505 posts

134 months

Sunday 22nd May 2016
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This is indeed interesting, I'm surprised at the result if I'm honest and I'm a Civic owner (grey, GT) I picked it up on Thursday, alas, I haven't had time to really get to grips with it yet but the initial test drive was very encouraging.

I have a long weekend booked off at the end of June and my friend and I are going to head north, he has an FN2 Type R (which I love, a fantastic car) so it's going to be a great weekend of finding out just how far the game has moved on in ten years, if the Scottish weather is kind to us anyway smile

White doesn't do it any favours though, sorry, I've seen one and it's awful, the grey and blue are much more suited to it.

Despite the cars lairy looks it has already been well received and in less than a weeks ownership has been commented on at the gym, supermarket and Union Square (local shopping centre) carparks.