RE: Ford Focus RS vs. Honda Civic Type R
Discussion
SidewaysSi said:
I don't buy the 4 wheel drive argument at all either. None of the front drivers I have driven have exactly struggled in the wet.
For a damn near 200Kg penalty, I don't see the appeal of the RS.
Considering the way RS goes on about it, coupled with you owning four RWD cars and living in the UK, I'm surprised you aren't dead already tbh.For a damn near 200Kg penalty, I don't see the appeal of the RS.
Are you posting from beyond the grave?
Axionknight said:
SidewaysSi said:
I don't buy the 4 wheel drive argument at all either. None of the front drivers I have driven have exactly struggled in the wet.
For a damn near 200Kg penalty, I don't see the appeal of the RS.
Considering the way RS goes on about it, coupled with you owning four RWD cars and living in the UK, I'm surprised you aren't dead already tbh.For a damn near 200Kg penalty, I don't see the appeal of the RS.
Are you posting from beyond the grave?
JoeMarano said:
ZX10R NIN said:
The Clio 200 still made 197BHP but had but had a smidge more torque it was released in 2009 I wonder how many Renault sold vs VW with the Polo GTI.
Well if you take how many are for sale used then VW really didn't sell any in 2009
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
You only have to look at the performance figure let alone the reviews to see why the Clio monstered the above on the road as well as in the sales charts.
If you're talking about the Clio 200 EDC that was far from universally (the gearbox was a big bone of contention) praised which is why a handful of people have bought them, but it did help push Megane RS sales by all accounts.
I don't think you got my point. My point was that Ford have had good reviews and sold one hundred kazillion ST's whereas renaukt had even better reviews (at that time in 2009) and barely anyone bought one...showing what idiots British people are always assuming Ford is great and British or something when it's notmWell if you take how many are for sale used then VW really didn't sell any in 2009
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
You only have to look at the performance figure let alone the reviews to see why the Clio monstered the above on the road as well as in the sales charts.
If you're talking about the Clio 200 EDC that was far from universally (the gearbox was a big bone of contention) praised which is why a handful of people have bought them, but it did help push Megane RS sales by all accounts.
rb5er said:
JoeMarano said:
The buying public are stupid and will always buy a Ford over every other car!
Oh riight. So all the reviews on Fords in the last 16 years or so are lies and sporty Fords are generally not fun to drive at all? OK, getcha.
Edited by rb5er on Tuesday 24th May 22:29
RocketRS said:
But facts are facts. When viewed in the totality of its performance capabilities, the Civic R isn't even a close second to the RS.
For statements like this, we need some form of 'facepalm' smiley. Hard to tell which end of the body you're speaking from.Axionknight said:
MrBarry123 said:
I saw a grey CTR at Warwick services this morning and it looks quite unlike any other hatchback currently on the road - very impressed.
Still not a fan of the wheel design though.
Grey is definitely its colour IMO, although I am biased! Can't get on with it in white - it looks dreadful. The red is OK, the blue is nice too and would have been my second choice if a grey one wasn't as easy to come by as it was. Haven't seen a black one yet, so I can't comment on that.Still not a fan of the wheel design though.
Edited by Axionknight on Wednesday 25th May 07:18
That being said I haven't seen a grey one yet. I didn't think white looked to bad, especially Tegiwa's which is running on some Enkei RPF1s: http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tqOqq-ps760/Vmdm...
Picture from http://thestringyone.blogspot.co.uk/
rb5er said:
vz-r_dave said:
There doesn't seem to be many straws left, sure thread will die a death shortly!
What straws are being clutched at? Both great cars both with their own merits and drawbacks.Or do you mean Joespolo straws?
The straws thus far have been, Winter Tyres, Spirited winter drives, Spirited wet road drives, The number of days it rains in the UK, YAW Control. I said it was ridiculous 10 pages ago and looking at it in summary it's even more so!
JoeMarano said:
ZX10R NIN said:
The Clio 200 still made 197BHP but had but had a smidge more torque it was released in 2009 I wonder how many Renault sold vs VW with the Polo GTI.
Well if you take how many are for sale used then VW really didn't sell any in 2009
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
You only have to look at the performance figure let alone the reviews to see why the Clio monstered the above on the road as well as in the sales charts.
If you're talking about the Clio 200 EDC that was far from universally (the gearbox was a big bone of contention) praised which is why a handful of people have bought them, but it did help push Megane RS sales by all accounts.
I don't think you got my point. My point was that Ford have had good reviews and sold one hundred kazillion ST's whereas renaukt had even better reviews (at that time in 2009) and barely anyone bought one...showing what idiots British people are always assuming Ford is great and British or something when it's notmWell if you take how many are for sale used then VW really didn't sell any in 2009
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
You only have to look at the performance figure let alone the reviews to see why the Clio monstered the above on the road as well as in the sales charts.
If you're talking about the Clio 200 EDC that was far from universally (the gearbox was a big bone of contention) praised which is why a handful of people have bought them, but it did help push Megane RS sales by all accounts.
Edited by ZX10R NIN on Tuesday 24th May 23:06
vz-r_dave said:
rb5er said:
vz-r_dave said:
There doesn't seem to be many straws left, sure thread will die a death shortly!
What straws are being clutched at? Both great cars both with their own merits and drawbacks.Or do you mean Joespolo straws?
The straws thus far have been, Winter Tyres, Spirited winter drives, Spirited wet road drives, The number of days it rains in the UK, YAW Control. I said it was ridiculous 10 pages ago and looking at it in summary it's even more so!
The ring in the rain not sunny with blue sky or maybe get the focus rs, type r , and a megane with the same driver around a wet oulton park and see what the results are?
LaurasOtherHalf said:
It's an interesting point, though I think the wear and tear thing is perhaps a little overstated. I've just done two days of open pit lane at spa and the 'ring and I haven't had to replace anything yet. And it doesn't get much tougher on cars than Spa!
But then you look at the performance these hot hatches have now and they're going to use consumables like any other powerful track cars will such as an M3, GT3, GTR etc
Out of interest, I did check out the price of parts for the Civic Type-R as I knew I'd be tracking it;
OEM continental tyres £129 each delivered
OEM brake disks front £135 p/pair
OEM brake pads front £125 a set
So we're not talking huge costs really and they will only get lower as more manufacturers start making replacement parts such as brakes etc. Then you've always got the option of running a spare set of wheels just for track for a grand or so.
More expensive than a Mazda most certainly, but for this driver, much more fun (subjective I know!) with twice the power.
Did you get to drive an FRS before you ordered your Type-R? Be interested in your thoughtsBut then you look at the performance these hot hatches have now and they're going to use consumables like any other powerful track cars will such as an M3, GT3, GTR etc
Out of interest, I did check out the price of parts for the Civic Type-R as I knew I'd be tracking it;
OEM continental tyres £129 each delivered
OEM brake disks front £135 p/pair
OEM brake pads front £125 a set
So we're not talking huge costs really and they will only get lower as more manufacturers start making replacement parts such as brakes etc. Then you've always got the option of running a spare set of wheels just for track for a grand or so.
More expensive than a Mazda most certainly, but for this driver, much more fun (subjective I know!) with twice the power.
On paper the Honda appeals more to me personally, but like the vast majority of the borderline trolls and conspiracy theorists posting on this thread I have zero experience behind the wheel to compare one to the other
Leins said:
Did you get to drive an FRS before you ordered your Type-R? Be interested in your thoughts
On paper the Honda appeals more to me personally, but like the vast majority of the borderline trolls and conspiracy theorists posting on this thread I have zero experience behind the wheel to compare one to the other
I didn't.On paper the Honda appeals more to me personally, but like the vast majority of the borderline trolls and conspiracy theorists posting on this thread I have zero experience behind the wheel to compare one to the other
I might have expanded further on it in my readers cars thread on here but to be totally honest I purchased the Civic on a total whim. I test drive it, I loved it so I bought it, pretty much simple as that.
The Focus RS I did however research.
We'd had a baby and as much as I kidded myself otherwise a hot hatch was really the best option so it wasn't as though I went into things totally blind. Did I want a Type-R? Not necessarily but a thread on here persuaded me to try one. Back to the Focus though, as much as I really appreciated the work that has gone into it I personally don't enjoy a 4WD car as much to drive. So that niggled me a little.
But the clincher to be brutally honest was I thought it looked s
t. I know it's subjective, especially so as I've bought a car that is universally lambasted for its looks but the Civic has something the Focus doesn't. Hard to put into words.We parked mine next to one at the nürburgring earlier this month and the focus disappeared. Some folk will love that of course but I'm happy enough to admit I'm shallow and don't
I haven't driven the Focus either, couldn't find one to try and like LOH I thought it looked pretty pants.
The four wheel drive isn't much of a benefit to me either, if it's pissing down big time I drive in a respectable fashion no matter what car I'm sat in and the Civic hardly vanishes into a hedge on a greasy road, it's just a bit more of a handful, it's hardly a death trap.
When it's dry however the thing is an absolute weapon (hate using that word but oh well), I'd imagine the Focus weight would tell against it on the super twisties we have up here in the north of Scotland. Knackered roads will unsettle the Civic too no doubt but it's impressive FWD set up makes it a pretty precision tool for hooning, as precise as a FWD family hatch can be, anyway.
If I hadn't bought the Civic but HAD to have one of its rivals I'd take the Megane, my Renaultsport Clio was an excellent ownership experience and I'd happily have another.
The four wheel drive isn't much of a benefit to me either, if it's pissing down big time I drive in a respectable fashion no matter what car I'm sat in and the Civic hardly vanishes into a hedge on a greasy road, it's just a bit more of a handful, it's hardly a death trap.
When it's dry however the thing is an absolute weapon (hate using that word but oh well), I'd imagine the Focus weight would tell against it on the super twisties we have up here in the north of Scotland. Knackered roads will unsettle the Civic too no doubt but it's impressive FWD set up makes it a pretty precision tool for hooning, as precise as a FWD family hatch can be, anyway.
If I hadn't bought the Civic but HAD to have one of its rivals I'd take the Megane, my Renaultsport Clio was an excellent ownership experience and I'd happily have another.
AMGJocky said:
Axionknight said:
If I hadn't bought the Civic but HAD to have one of its rivals I'd take the Megane, my Renaultsport Clio was an excellent ownership experience and I'd happily have another.
That upcoming article of the two fighting it out will be very interesting 
I do love a fast Renault, the Megane is an impressive bit of kit too, I haven't driven a Trophy, just an older 265 but that was bloody brilliant and I believe they can be had relatively cheap new.
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