RE: Ford Focus RS vs. Honda Civic Type R
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Put it this way it doesn't matter too much about the Clio 172 as I've owned one and it's just not as fast as the Polo that's a fact. Maybe 0-60 but that's purely down to the Clio's lightweight. Everywhere else it gets smashed. In gear the Polo will tear it a new one due to almost 100 more torques all available at 1450rpm rather than 5000rpm.
JoeMarano said:
Put it this way it doesn't matter too much about the Clio 172 as I've owned one and it's just not as fast as the Polo that's a fact. Maybe 0-60 but that's purely down to the Clio's lightweight. Everywhere else it gets smashed. In gear the Polo will tear it a new one due to almost 100 more torques all available at 1450rpm rather than 5000rpm.
But it is fact, the clio is as fast as the vw up to 60 and costs 18k less.The polo has a lot more torque but that just means you can come off the slip road in 3rd and floor it whilst i'd have to use all the rev range and actually change gear.
Different methods to reach exactly the same 0-60 , as to top speed who really cares your barely ever going to be getting into 3 figures even on a track day.
egor110 said:
But it is fact, the clio is as fast as the vw up to 60 and costs 18k less.
The polo has a lot more torque but that just means you can come off the slip road in 3rd and floor it whilst i'd have to use all the rev range and actually change gear.
Different methods to reach exactly the same 0-60 , as to top speed who really cares your barely ever going to be getting into 3 figures even on a track day.
That might matter on a drag strip where light weight is going to help at the start but everywhere else torque matters more oh and power in the higher gears. Do I think the Polo is "worth" 16.5k more than the Clio 172? Possibly not depends on how much money you have to spare. For me at least it means more to me that the car is newer, doesnt need MOT for three years, is cheaper on tax and insurance (free for a year and cheaper after that than the Clio (imo) looks nicer and is comfy as hell. Doesn't make a right old racket down the motorway. Transports child, missus and dog with ease. Has all the toys someone like me could ever need while also being able to turn up at a trackday and probably put in the same sort of times as a half decent prepped 172 (which more often than not are still slower than a bog standard 200cup)The polo has a lot more torque but that just means you can come off the slip road in 3rd and floor it whilst i'd have to use all the rev range and actually change gear.
Different methods to reach exactly the same 0-60 , as to top speed who really cares your barely ever going to be getting into 3 figures even on a track day.
Edited by JoeMarano on Thursday 26th May 21:46
egor110 said:
But it is fact, the clio is as fast as the vw up to 60 and costs 18k less.
The polo has a lot more torque but that just means you can come off the slip road in 3rd and floor it whilst i'd have to use all the rev range and actually change gear.
Different methods to reach exactly the same 0-60 , as to top speed who really cares your barely ever going to be getting into 3 figures even on a track day.
Why are you comparing RRP new with second hand prices?The polo has a lot more torque but that just means you can come off the slip road in 3rd and floor it whilst i'd have to use all the rev range and actually change gear.
Different methods to reach exactly the same 0-60 , as to top speed who really cares your barely ever going to be getting into 3 figures even on a track day.
Totally f
king pointless.iphonedyou said:
Why are you comparing RRP new with second hand prices?
Totally fking pointless.
About as pointless as everything else he has written. Shock, horror, a modern turbocharged engine has more torques [sic] than a NA last generation. All the videos are utterly fTotally f
king pointless.king cringeworthy and it is quite remarkable that you would put up a video about the sound of something, which has no sound. I am sure the Polo is ok, they are ok, but just that. All this other stuff is just weird.yonex said:
About as pointless as everything else he has written. Shock, horror, a modern turbocharged engine has more torques [sic] than a NA last generation. All the videos are utterly fking cringeworthy and it is quite remarkable that you would put up a video about the sound of something, which has no sound. I am sure the Polo is ok, they are ok, but just that. All this other stuff is just weird.
I was quoting Egor.king cringeworthy and it is quite remarkable that you would put up a video about the sound of something, which has no sound. I am sure the Polo is ok, they are ok, but just that. All this other stuff is just weird.Much as this thread has been humorous to read at times, I'm really not on board with the continued attack on Joe, by a great many posters. Think the fun has been had, and the point well made by now.
iphonedyou said:
yonex said:
About as pointless as everything else he has written. Shock, horror, a modern turbocharged engine has more torques [sic] than a NA last generation. All the videos are utterly fking cringeworthy and it is quite remarkable that you would put up a video about the sound of something, which has no sound. I am sure the Polo is ok, they are ok, but just that. All this other stuff is just weird.
I was quoting Egor.king cringeworthy and it is quite remarkable that you would put up a video about the sound of something, which has no sound. I am sure the Polo is ok, they are ok, but just that. All this other stuff is just weird.Much as this thread has been humorous to read at times, I'm really not on board with the continued attack on Joe, by a great many posters. Think the fun has been had, and the point well made by now.
iphonedyou said:
egor110 said:
Did we ever get the answer is the focus better than the civic ?
Who could honestly have thought the topic of one hatchback vs another could get grown men so animated.egor110 said:
JoeMarano said:
Put it this way it doesn't matter too much about the Clio 172 as I've owned one and it's just not as fast as the Polo that's a fact. Maybe 0-60 but that's purely down to the Clio's lightweight. Everywhere else it gets smashed. In gear the Polo will tear it a new one due to almost 100 more torques all available at 1450rpm rather than 5000rpm.
But it is fact, the clio is as fast as the vw up to 60 and costs 18k less.The polo has a lot more torque but that just means you can come off the slip road in 3rd and floor it whilst i'd have to use all the rev range and actually change gear.
Different methods to reach exactly the same 0-60 , as to top speed who really cares your barely ever going to be getting into 3 figures even on a track day.
Much to the dismay of those ducks who are gong to have buy a GTI of their own to get across the road fast enough
rb5er said:
Oh right, they are all putting out more than the manufacturers state 
Even is that was true the Fiesta is still 140kgs lighter and so has a better power to weight ratio. Either way you are arguing over 10ths of a second whilst calling the ST slow and the Polo a rocketship. Speedwise they are comparable so if one is slow then do is the other.
Don't roll your eyes do you not understand we're talking about VW's best kept secret!! They say 190bhp to keep their Golf GTI drivers happy but really they're 210-215bhp if you get a bad one which is more than enough to dispatch a 230bhp Mountune Fiesta with a mere flicker of the Polo's DRL's. Even is that was true the Fiesta is still 140kgs lighter and so has a better power to weight ratio. Either way you are arguing over 10ths of a second whilst calling the ST slow and the Polo a rocketship. Speedwise they are comparable so if one is slow then do is the other.
ZX10R NIN said:
Joe again you're wrong your Polo gti is £20,00 new the better hot hatches are surprise surprise all around the same price. 
I love your reasoning in making the GTI the best in class.
Fiesta ST-3 £20,000
Clio RS Lux £20,000
208 GTI/Prestige £20,000
Seat Ibiza SC Cupra £20,000
So with all of the rivals costing the same as well as having similar if not better performance & better handling are you still convinced your GTI is a better hot hatch, of course you are
How is it 20grand when I paid 18 including the extras it came with? I love your reasoning in making the GTI the best in class.Fiesta ST-3 £20,000
Clio RS Lux £20,000
208 GTI/Prestige £20,000
Seat Ibiza SC Cupra £20,000
So with all of the rivals costing the same as well as having similar if not better performance & better handling are you still convinced your GTI is a better hot hatch, of course you are
The Seat Ibiza is the same car basically btw.
The 208 GTI is the closest performance wise and every test I have seen (admittedly there haven't been many) the Clio and 208 have been behind the Polo.
I was talking about the Clio 229 trophy and 208 by peugeot sport by the way.
So apart from the apparantly handling of the ST being better (untested) how do you figure out the car's in that list are better when they aren't as well built, don't look as nice and don't perform as well (in a straight line at least as an unbiased track test hasn't been done to my knowledge)
Still doesn't change the fact I researched and went round all the small hot hatches for 6 months and still preferred the Polo
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Now you may have paid £18,000, glad you managed to get a discount (not that it sounds like you realised you were getting one) for your car but the list price is £19125.00 for your Polo with no extras which is why I said your Polo would have been £20,000 I then listed the prices for well spec'd rivals, but just for you I'll list the manufacturer's List Price for the base Model so as not to be bias.
Clio 200 with Nav £19130.00 (£21780.00 for the more powerful & better Handling Version)
Polo GTI £19125.00 (£20,370.00 Auto)
Fiesta ST-1 £17745.00 (£19745.00 ST-3)
Peugeot 208 GTI £19515.00 (£22365.00 Peugeot Sport GTI)
Seat Ibiza Cupra £18100.00
Why did you compare your car price wise against the two model that have LSD's & are regarded as very well sorted? Is it because they might (dare I say it) be able to keep the Polo insight for more than a few seconds as it oversteers off into the distance with a dab of opposite lock.
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