RE: Ford Focus RS vs. Honda Civic Type R
Discussion
JoeMarano said:
Is there a 3 door version as looking at the picture theres just something wrong with the front and rear wheel arches....they just don't match each other at all!
Its probably due to you being used to the bland shape of a Polo mate - that kind of eurobox bubble shapeNot bad cars the Polo Gti mind; wife used to have one for a while
Axionknight said:
lord trumpton said:
Well despite me having had two test drives in the CTR and commenting in a previous thread how it wasn't for me etc etc; having read this thread and not being a big fan of the Focus purely based on looks (shallow I know and rich given the CTR's opinion splitting looks) I went out and bought a pre reg with 300 miles on.
It's the GT version with carbon interior kit and 5 year service plan and bought for a relative steal.
Having blatted it around on my own a few times over the BH weekend - I love it; but of course I'm going to say that ha ha
No, seriously though; absolutely pin sharp drive and handling. I'm not sure I'd live with it as a daily but its certainly a welcome addition to the car family.
Well played Sir, I hope you enjoy it. I can't get on with them in white personally, but it's still a great motor.It's the GT version with carbon interior kit and 5 year service plan and bought for a relative steal.
Having blatted it around on my own a few times over the BH weekend - I love it; but of course I'm going to say that ha ha
No, seriously though; absolutely pin sharp drive and handling. I'm not sure I'd live with it as a daily but its certainly a welcome addition to the car family.
To make it worse I actually saw another over the weekend in the grey and I did have a hint of longing. The big decider for me was the price though but it would have been nice to have got a grey. Oh well
JoeMarano said:
lord trumpton said:
Its probably due to you being used to the bland shape of a Polo mate - that kind of eurobox bubble shape
Not bad cars the Polo Gti mind; wife used to have one for a while
1.4 twin charged one?Not bad cars the Polo Gti mind; wife used to have one for a while
Following that the Polo got a 1.8 and the Vrs has been binned in the fabia range. Shame really as the noise from the charger and whistle from the turbo sounded great and worked well with the dsg.
SidewaysSi said:
rb5er said:
PapaJohns said:
Zad said:
Remind me what the waiting list for the Focus RS is...
Yeah, they are really desperate to shift more of them.
There plenty for sale on ATYeah, they are really desperate to shift more of them.
GroundEffect said:
SidewaysSi said:
rb5er said:
PapaJohns said:
Zad said:
Remind me what the waiting list for the Focus RS is...
Yeah, they are really desperate to shift more of them.
There plenty for sale on ATYeah, they are really desperate to shift more of them.
Thing is with the RS; no matter how good or bad it may or may not be it will always have a high demand due to the huge, huge army of RS Ford fans. It would take 2 or 3 successive incarnations of poor Focus RS models for people to start thinking that the RS halo has been diminished.
From what I've read they have not put a foot wrong yet; apart from the current styling (imho) and no doubt that won't change for a while; if ever.
What made me persevere with the CTR was aside from the drive (that took a few test drives) being immense was the very fact that it's way off the wall in the styling. I've always been a fan of quirky looking cars. I've got a 968 sport that again was unloved and still looks abstract; that's why I like it.
One thing that is worth noting here for potential CTR buyers:
1- Dealers have to have a demo on site and when they order one it has to be the GT and include an option pack - Honda stipulations
2- The cars they have are 'static demonstrators' that basically means they are only used for accompanied test drives and not given to the sales manager as a runner.
3- The have to keep them 90 days and have a fixed way of pricing them - they depreciate them by 3%/month based on adding 1000 miles a month.
4- As they are static demonstrators and currently very strict on vetting customers - you can't just turn up and drive one. You have to be seen to be a realistic buyer with the means/intent to buy.
5- When you look at Honda UK site for all the pre reg stock, the mileage you see is based on the 1000 a month but often its nothing like that.
Mine was pre reg. It was on the honda website for 28k and 6k miles. I overlooked it as I wanted a super low miler but wasn't privy to the above info.
In reality it had done 300 miles - it was reg at the dealers in November 2015 and with the dealer being in a non affluent area it had basically sat there having the odd drive by potential customers.
What I got was a Championship white GT with 5 year service plan, carbon interior pack, 300 miles on the clock and paid 27k. That's a saving of close to £7k off list. I paid cash so no interest to pay.
Any potential buyers need to look at the above info and call the dealership to find out the actual mileage and spec as the adverts are misleading and 'undersell' their stock imho
From what I've read they have not put a foot wrong yet; apart from the current styling (imho) and no doubt that won't change for a while; if ever.
What made me persevere with the CTR was aside from the drive (that took a few test drives) being immense was the very fact that it's way off the wall in the styling. I've always been a fan of quirky looking cars. I've got a 968 sport that again was unloved and still looks abstract; that's why I like it.
One thing that is worth noting here for potential CTR buyers:
1- Dealers have to have a demo on site and when they order one it has to be the GT and include an option pack - Honda stipulations
2- The cars they have are 'static demonstrators' that basically means they are only used for accompanied test drives and not given to the sales manager as a runner.
3- The have to keep them 90 days and have a fixed way of pricing them - they depreciate them by 3%/month based on adding 1000 miles a month.
4- As they are static demonstrators and currently very strict on vetting customers - you can't just turn up and drive one. You have to be seen to be a realistic buyer with the means/intent to buy.
5- When you look at Honda UK site for all the pre reg stock, the mileage you see is based on the 1000 a month but often its nothing like that.
Mine was pre reg. It was on the honda website for 28k and 6k miles. I overlooked it as I wanted a super low miler but wasn't privy to the above info.
In reality it had done 300 miles - it was reg at the dealers in November 2015 and with the dealer being in a non affluent area it had basically sat there having the odd drive by potential customers.
What I got was a Championship white GT with 5 year service plan, carbon interior pack, 300 miles on the clock and paid 27k. That's a saving of close to £7k off list. I paid cash so no interest to pay.
Any potential buyers need to look at the above info and call the dealership to find out the actual mileage and spec as the adverts are misleading and 'undersell' their stock imho
SidewaysSi said:
rb5er said:
PapaJohns said:
Zad said:
Remind me what the waiting list for the Focus RS is...
Yeah, they are really desperate to shift more of them.
There plenty for sale on ATYeah, they are really desperate to shift more of them.
lord trumpton said:
2- The cars they have are 'static demonstrators' that basically means they are only used for accompanied test drives and not given to the sales manager as a runner.
3- The have to keep them 90 days and have a fixed way of pricing them - they depreciate them by 3%/month based on adding 1000 miles a month.
4- As they are static demonstrators and currently very strict on vetting customers - you can't just turn up and drive one. You have to be seen to be a realistic buyer with the means/intent to buy.
2) Mine was the same, I wasn't told the same as you, but I was surprised to hear a sales team member wasn't using it day to day and put 2 n' 2 together.3- The have to keep them 90 days and have a fixed way of pricing them - they depreciate them by 3%/month based on adding 1000 miles a month.
4- As they are static demonstrators and currently very strict on vetting customers - you can't just turn up and drive one. You have to be seen to be a realistic buyer with the means/intent to buy.
3) I was told that by the (excellent) sales chap too. I got my hands on it about two weeks early though as they were able to source another demo to replace it with and I was adament that if I had to wait I'd just go somewhere else
I didn't know about the 3% lark, interesting stuff, seems savage too - if one sat for a year it would depreciate 27% - bargain!!4) Seems to me like they aren't wanting the car to be a mass unit like VW do with the Golf R, are they limiting how many are being built? It certainly seems like they are treating it as more of a Halo model than just another work a day hot hatch.
£27,000 is impressive, well played. Alas, no cash purchases for me - it's on the never never, three years is a long time but if the figures stack up at the end I've half a mind to buy it, unless I am bored of it by then, which I doubt. Plus it's a decent sized family motor and kids are on the horizon!
Edited by Axionknight on Wednesday 1st June 09:44
The weight difference chat: At no point during driving the focus do you wish it was lighter. It just deals with its weight with no issue at all.
Yes you may benefit from it being 200kg lighter but it doesn't impact the experience.
Dodgy Focus Styling: Dads one is in white with the standard silver alloys. I honestly can't see anything dodgy about the styling at all. Photos make you focus on the front end, however as soon as you are face to face with the car, the front end becomes less than 5% of your attention. Press photos are taken from low down but your natural view point is nowhere near that and you don't really focus on the front end at all. Pls be aware that on viewing the photos of the car, I also thought the front end looked dodgy and spoiled the car.
Type R: As soon as I saw it all in the press and watched the onboard lap, I was sold. It sounds fantastic and I will try and find a way to drive one for a fair comparison.
As for lap times mattering in real world: At no point during the 200 mile bash did I think or care about the potential n.ring laptime. It was fast enough and fun enough. End.
Cheers
Steven RW
Yes you may benefit from it being 200kg lighter but it doesn't impact the experience.
Dodgy Focus Styling: Dads one is in white with the standard silver alloys. I honestly can't see anything dodgy about the styling at all. Photos make you focus on the front end, however as soon as you are face to face with the car, the front end becomes less than 5% of your attention. Press photos are taken from low down but your natural view point is nowhere near that and you don't really focus on the front end at all. Pls be aware that on viewing the photos of the car, I also thought the front end looked dodgy and spoiled the car.
Type R: As soon as I saw it all in the press and watched the onboard lap, I was sold. It sounds fantastic and I will try and find a way to drive one for a fair comparison.
As for lap times mattering in real world: At no point during the 200 mile bash did I think or care about the potential n.ring laptime. It was fast enough and fun enough. End.
Cheers
Steven RW
Again I think it depends on what you want from the car and or use it for.
Modifying wise it's got to be Golf R or Focus RS as anymore power in the Civic would be an absolute waste.
But let's not forget everyone has played their hand now and the Megane is still holding its own. It's old tech and still stays with the competition. Personally I think there's going to be an awful lot of upset when next year the new Megane RS absolutely blows all these cars away.
Modifying wise it's got to be Golf R or Focus RS as anymore power in the Civic would be an absolute waste.
But let's not forget everyone has played their hand now and the Megane is still holding its own. It's old tech and still stays with the competition. Personally I think there's going to be an awful lot of upset when next year the new Megane RS absolutely blows all these cars away.
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