ST engine in fiesta 1.25 mk7 HELP

[Calza]

W12JFD said:

I presume you are all aware that for the mature driver modified / engine swapped cars are cheaper to insure than standard? Pal of mine has a 220bhp supercharged MX5 costing £240 fully comp. The logic is that after spending hours and cash on the vehicle you'd probably prefer not to crash it. I'm not sure this would apply if you are eighteen though!

I can't believe that for a second.

[fathomfive]

DuraAce said:

Buy another car.
Way more cost effective.

But how can he keep it as a 1.25 on the log book if he does that?

[Devil2575]

W12JFD said:

I presume you are all aware that for the mature driver modified / engine swapped cars are cheaper to insure than standard? Pal of mine has a 220bhp supercharged MX5 costing £240 fully comp. The logic is that after spending hours and cash on the vehicle you'd probably prefer not to crash it. I'm not sure this would apply if you are eighteen though!

Really?

[Axionknight]

Devil2575 said:

Really?

No.

[amancalledrob]

I'm currently having a 1.7 Puma engine swapped into my mk4 1.25 Fiesta. It isn't as difficult or as expensive as you'd think. Notifying the DVLA only costs £25 and is pretty easy too.

Insurance - I've had to cancel with More Than and move to Adrian Flux. The cost went up by about £40 which is especially reasonable given I also have three points.

The work's being done by OC Motorsport in Essex.

Hope that's helpful

[W12JFD]

What possible benefit could I draw from telling an untruth? Helpful post subject to ignorant repudiation? Yep, PH is really the home of the less than enthusiastic keyboard warrior.

[Calza]

W12JFD said:

What possible benefit could I draw from telling an untruth? Helpful post subject to ignorant repudiation? Yep, PH is really the home of the less than enthusiastic keyboard warrior.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

HTH.

[boz1]

Calza said:

I can't believe that for a second.

Indeed. Surely nobody would believe any insurance company sets its prices by leaning back in their chair and thinking "now, do I reckon this guy really wants to crash, or not?".

In reality, it will be because the average expected payout per £1 of insured value on modified car policies is lower, for whatever reason, which may or may not include that the owners are more careful.

[Drawweight]

It makes me long for the days when I put a 2 ltr Pinto into my 1100 Mk 1 escort.

A 2000E gearbox and struts with disc brakes and the job was done.

Life was simple.

[lostkiwi]

boz1 said:

Calza said:

I can't believe that for a second.

Indeed. Surely nobody would believe any insurance company sets its prices by leaning back in their chair and thinking "now, do I reckon this guy really wants to crash, or not?".

In reality, it will be because the average expected payout per £1 of insured value on modified car policies is lower, for whatever reason, which may or may not include that the owners are more careful.

I've heard this before and when I had my Defender saw it happen. My Defender 110 was highly modified - the modifications sheet ran to 2 A4 sides! The policy was less with all the mods declared than it was without them.

The same kind of thinking applies to Classic cars - policies for classics are significantly cheaper than non classics with similar performance, even though the handling and brakes on a classic are often not up to the same standards.

I appreciate a classic policy doesn't attract NCB (but then it doesn't benefit from it either) so the comparisons are not exactly apples to apples but the same priciple seems to apply.

[Bradley1500]

I wouldn’t bother – and this is advice from someone who’s done an engine conversion.

Mine was a 1.8T GTI engine into a VW Golf which was originally a 1.6. Despite the engine being from the same platform car – my engine came from an A3 – the conversion was rife with problems and not as simple as I was expecting. Once it was finished, it caused nothing but problems which meant I became frustrated with it and sold it on with some issues still present. I got fed up of chasing constant and endless problems, and was too tight to pay a garage to sort it out.

This was on a much cheaper car with parts in abundance – there’s lots of Golf’s and 1.8T engine cars in scrapyards. If you’re really set on the idea, buy a whole Fiesta ST as I’m sure you’ll be surprised how many parts need changing. It’s never simply bolting an engine in and away you go.

The reason behind my conversion was I had already invested a lot of time and money in the 1.6 shell. In hindsight it would have made much more sense to buy a GTI and swap the parts onto that, not to mention cheaper in the long run.

If you do decide to go ahead with the project though, keep us updated with a thread here and good luck!

[tedman]

As many others have said, the idea is tempting and seems straightforward on the face of it. The problem is that the time, effort and costs involved far outweigh the advantages of just buying the actual car you want.

[thomasmason_33]

I know this post is old, but there’s a Zetec S pre facelift on Instagram (brigzy_98 or summit) who had the 1.6 T petrol (not an ecoboost). She paid a garage to put in a 1.6 ecoboost, map it, added coil overs, brakes etc and now it’s a track beast. Definitely makes your car unique and if it makes you happy who cares what other people think. So if anyone’s looking for a starting point maybe message her.

[thomasmason_33]

Maybe a better idea would be buying a mk6 fez ST with a blown engine and put in a new engine for a project, you’ll learn plenty just from that, also cheaper and easy to come by

[David87]

This now even more pointless a few years later as you can buy a factory 5-door Fiesta ST.

[Deep Thought]

thomasmason_33 said:

I know this post is old, but there’s a Zetec S pre facelift on Instagram (brigzy_98 or summit) who had the 1.6 T petrol (not an ecoboost). She paid a garage to put in a 1.6 ecoboost, map it, added coil overs, brakes etc and now it’s a track beast. Definitely makes your car unique and if it makes you happy who cares what other people think. So if anyone’s looking for a starting point maybe message her.

If you've enough time and money you can put pretty much any engine in to any car.

The point here being it would be cheaper overall just to buy an ST.

I'd a Caddy van with a 2.8 litre VR6 engine. To me thats something that was worth doing (someone did it before i got it). Saw an old Corsa advertised recently with a 3.0i v6 conversion. Thats interesting to say the least.

Putting an ST engine in a Fiesta when you can just go out and buy an ST probably for less overall, not so much.

[Ahbefive]

At Bedford trackday last weekend there was a group of chaps with a mk2 Golf that has the 2.7 v6 twin turbo engine form an S4 and was RWD. Now that's an interesting conversion.