Electric cars - finally a counter arguement...
Discussion
This was in The Week newspaper this week:
And this doesn't take into account the emmissions (not just CO2 but Nox and Sox) that are emitted shipping the nickel ore to the battery manufacturers and shipping the cars back around the world...
Electric cars - yet another con from our 'leaders'.
Cuda
And this doesn't take into account the emmissions (not just CO2 but Nox and Sox) that are emitted shipping the nickel ore to the battery manufacturers and shipping the cars back around the world...
Electric cars - yet another con from our 'leaders'.
Cuda
the only reasons the toxins are on the road is due to the dirty diesels etc....
and of course the only reason for the surge in fuel cell research is that the Petroleum companies make hydrogen from the cracking of crude oil while they make diesel/petrol etc
That article is not unbiased, and is pure BS
and of course the only reason for the surge in fuel cell research is that the Petroleum companies make hydrogen from the cracking of crude oil while they make diesel/petrol etc
That article is not unbiased, and is pure BS
It's not utter tripe, I pointed out years ago that vehicle emissions were becoming so low that the biggest contributor to PMs would soon be brake/tyre dust.
The London Underground is electric but the metal/brake dust is a health 'risk'.
What is tripe is that any of this, including the worst diesel emissions from modern cars, is in anyway a significant health risk.
The London Underground is electric but the metal/brake dust is a health 'risk'.
What is tripe is that any of this, including the worst diesel emissions from modern cars, is in anyway a significant health risk.
cuda said:
carreauchompeur said:
Sorry, but that's utter tripe. Really, think about it.
Back it up then...I'm not an advocate of EVs at the moment, for various reasons, but this sort of reporting (I refuse to call it journalism) is just gutter nonsense.
You only have to think about it to understand that it's nonsense. Just use your common sense.
cuda said:
carreauchompeur said:
Sorry, but that's utter tripe. Really, think about it.
Back it up then...Also you mention shipping batteries. i assume you think petrol just appears in petrol stations. Pound for pound how much weight is shifted around the world for an ICE car vs a Petrol car? Then factor in that you still have the battery at the end which is recyclable.
Edited by 98elise on Wednesday 25th May 18:52
Mr GrimNasty said:
It's not utter tripe, I pointed out years ago that vehicle emissions were becoming so low that the biggest contributor to PMs would soon be brake/tyre dust.
The London Underground is electric but the metal/brake dust is a health 'risk'.
What is tripe is that any of this, including the worst diesel emissions from modern cars, is in anyway a significant health risk.
You know that most braking in EV'is regen don't you. The London Underground is electric but the metal/brake dust is a health 'risk'.
What is tripe is that any of this, including the worst diesel emissions from modern cars, is in anyway a significant health risk.
LU Trains don't use regen they use traditional brakes.
Edited by 98elise on Wednesday 25th May 18:51
Edited by 98elise on Wednesday 25th May 19:39
Toyota Prius 2010 1325Kg
BMW 320d 1495Kg
Utter horse twiddle!!!!
However I do think if you consider the production of the cars there may be a small case.
To Add ..
However how many people can afford a Tesla S it got to be nearly a £30k on top of the 5 series,
Model S Tesla 1,961 kg
BMW 5 Series 520d 1690 Kg in Sport Trim
BMW 320d 1495Kg
Utter horse twiddle!!!!
However I do think if you consider the production of the cars there may be a small case.
To Add ..
However how many people can afford a Tesla S it got to be nearly a £30k on top of the 5 series,
Model S Tesla 1,961 kg
BMW 5 Series 520d 1690 Kg in Sport Trim
Edited by chasingracecars on Wednesday 25th May 18:52
Phunk said:
Yes they are slightly heavier than the equivalent ICE car but nothing in comparison to a SUV!
The brake pad thing is utter rubbish, electric cars use the regen to slow down 90% of the time, most pads and discs last over 100k!
Exactly this. Spurious nonsense. 1.5 tons of EV is no heavier than 1.5 tons of anything else.The brake pad thing is utter rubbish, electric cars use the regen to slow down 90% of the time, most pads and discs last over 100k!
t. The alloys on our Leaf never even get dirty.Tesla S - 2239Kg (Model S P90)
Range Rover Sport 2140 Kg
So, a decent electric car is about the same weight as a lardy SUV. But regen takes the edge off the brake pads. Tyre wear and dust will be similar.
Edit - and looking at the various weights of the cars, the 60 is 250Kg lighter than the 90. So 30kW of batteries is 250kg. A battery pack that will take you 300 miles will weigh 750kg, whatever happens. Electric cars with short range will be light, but until batteries are a lot lighter per kW, long range electrics will be heavy.
Range Rover Sport 2140 Kg
So, a decent electric car is about the same weight as a lardy SUV. But regen takes the edge off the brake pads. Tyre wear and dust will be similar.
Edit - and looking at the various weights of the cars, the 60 is 250Kg lighter than the 90. So 30kW of batteries is 250kg. A battery pack that will take you 300 miles will weigh 750kg, whatever happens. Electric cars with short range will be light, but until batteries are a lot lighter per kW, long range electrics will be heavy.
Edited by rxe on Wednesday 25th May 19:03
Edited by rxe on Wednesday 25th May 19:03
chasingracecars said:
Toyota Prius 2010 1325Kg
BMW 320d 1495Kg
Utter horse twiddle!!!!
However I do think if you consider the production of the cars there may be a small case.
To Add ..
However how many people can afford a Tesla S it got to be nearly a £30k on top of the 5 series,
Model S Tesla 1,961 kg
BMW 5 Series 520d 1690 Kg in Sport Trim
Compare the model S to an Audi A8 or a Mec S Class and its about even (all around the 2000kg mark). The AMG mercs are about 2300kg!BMW 320d 1495Kg
Utter horse twiddle!!!!
However I do think if you consider the production of the cars there may be a small case.
To Add ..
However how many people can afford a Tesla S it got to be nearly a £30k on top of the 5 series,
Model S Tesla 1,961 kg
BMW 5 Series 520d 1690 Kg in Sport Trim
Edited by chasingracecars on Wednesday 25th May 18:52
rxe said:
Tesla S - 2239Kg (Model S P90)
Range Rover Sport 2140 Kg
So, a decent electric car is about the same weight as a lardy SUV. But regen takes the edge off the brake pads. Tyre wear and dust will be similar.
Edit - and looking at the various weights of the cars, the 60 is 250Kg lighter than the 90. So 30kW of batteries is 250kg. A battery pack that will take you 300 miles will weigh 750kg, whatever happens. Electric cars with short range will be light, but until batteries are a lot lighter per kW, long range electrics will be heavy.
The same weight as an SUV as you've chosen the 4 wheel drive dual motor version with the biggest battery! The ones with a single motor weigh about the same as a big ICE car, ie about 2000kg.Range Rover Sport 2140 Kg
So, a decent electric car is about the same weight as a lardy SUV. But regen takes the edge off the brake pads. Tyre wear and dust will be similar.
Edit - and looking at the various weights of the cars, the 60 is 250Kg lighter than the 90. So 30kW of batteries is 250kg. A battery pack that will take you 300 miles will weigh 750kg, whatever happens. Electric cars with short range will be light, but until batteries are a lot lighter per kW, long range electrics will be heavy.
Edited by rxe on Wednesday 25th May 19:03
Edited by rxe on Wednesday 25th May 19:03
The model S is huge, so its going to be a heavy as any big car.
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