RE: Subaru Isle of Man TT car - new pictures
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Welshbeef said:
AntiLagGC8 said:
It appears to be a number based on rumors.
Subaru stated as far as I can see that they only removed the limiter and the car and its mapping was otherwise standard, not that it matters too much anyway when the car apparently was well below power due to the heat issues.
If that's the case were looking at closer to 100% increase in power. Subaru stated as far as I can see that they only removed the limiter and the car and its mapping was otherwise standard, not that it matters too much anyway when the car apparently was well below power due to the heat issues.
Was it the big pro bikers on here who were staring the modifications nearer 400bhp with the idea being to discredit the time a bit? (I love car v bike bants)
The number that has been suggested on here is 680bhp for the new car so that would be an additional 380bhp or move given it shouldn't have cooling issues. However I'm yet to see anything official that states the car's performance and/or build so we are back to guessing at the moment.
Does anyone have a link to the new car and is there an official statement about it anywhere? I've not seen anything yet.
Edited by AntiLagGC8 on Tuesday 31st May 20:21
PorkInsider said:
They would have to do 500 bikes of whatever version they wanted to homologate, to meet the FIM rules.
I can't think of any current bikes which are homologation 'specials', though? (ETA: used as a base for top TT bikes.)
Most of the higher spec' road bikes (R1M, etc) seem to be built to be better road bikes more than they do for racing homologation. I could be wrong here (not up on current road bikes, really) but the higher spec' road bikes seem to have top-end parts where they could be legitimately changed under the FIM rules anyway without the homologation issue.
I think now they have to sell 1000 units, it's also the reason the Norton only races in the Senior Class as they don't qualify to race in the Superbike race on Saturday it's also the same reason the RCV213V-S can't race in the Superbike race.I can't think of any current bikes which are homologation 'specials', though? (ETA: used as a base for top TT bikes.)
Most of the higher spec' road bikes (R1M, etc) seem to be built to be better road bikes more than they do for racing homologation. I could be wrong here (not up on current road bikes, really) but the higher spec' road bikes seem to have top-end parts where they could be legitimately changed under the FIM rules anyway without the homologation issue.
This is how they stop the manufactures from building bikes with unobtainium & one off specials.
wormus said:
I have no idea how to answer this. How many Focus ST engines are running 680hp ?
That is relevant how? It is designed and built for 220bhp not 680bhp. Let's say they choose the 6.5 v12 bi turbo AMG unit which pushes 650bhp comfortably out of he box as a starting point. We simply have no idea which power unit they will use.
Or how about the 1.8ltr turbo Audi used in so many LeMans wins that had 180bhp standard but in race trim it was what 600-800bhp and raced for 24hours and full on attack. Doesn't seem to have issues.
Over to you.
wormus said:
AntiLagGC8 said:
Why would it blow up? I presume you've got no experience with these cars by your statement?
680hp flat out for 20 mins. It's not like running on a dyno, TT circuit is very hard on the bikes to the point where they blow up and I guess cars too. Edited by wormus on Tuesday 31st May 19:45
k-ink said:
I just finished watching the documentary "Road". I was on the brink of tears when Michael Dunlop wins. Amazing story.
I think that has to be one of the best films about Road Racing Here are some clips which hopefully gives you some insight into the sheer thrill of the Road Racing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzWf-6UzQUA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-1ns2lphIQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnYoGHjrXIM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp9nVJRvomo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=846K4ejgQSc
Here's a talk by the Flying Doctor R.I.P well worth a watch/listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsZBXlTHPCg
Edited by ZX10R NIN on Tuesday 31st May 20:43
AntiLagGC8 said:
wormus said:
AntiLagGC8 said:
Why would it blow up? I presume you've got no experience with these cars by your statement?
680hp flat out for 20 mins. It's not like running on a dyno, TT circuit is very hard on the bikes to the point where they blow up and I guess cars too. Edited by wormus on Tuesday 31st May 19:45
wormus said:
rigga said:
Can't you make something up 
Like an 800hp 1.8 litre Audi engine that's great for 24h endurance racing? In spite of 20 years coming to the TT, there's clearly something I've missed.Having watched the on board of Higgins' last lap I just want to address a couple of the commonly stated problems for the cars here.
"Cars cant handle the bumps, jumps"
The on board shows that the car is not thrown off by anything, the are a few occasions where he is airborne, car is no worse for it.
" car will have to back off / brake for series of bends that bikes can straightline and stay flat out"
The on board shows Higgins is flat out and accelerating through all of these sections even north of 140mph.
Another thing that I was not expecting to see was Higgins actually using the kerbs! you can see he puts 2 wheels over one at 138mph! and hits others at some pretty significant speeds.
"Cars cant handle the bumps, jumps"
The on board shows that the car is not thrown off by anything, the are a few occasions where he is airborne, car is no worse for it.
" car will have to back off / brake for series of bends that bikes can straightline and stay flat out"
The on board shows Higgins is flat out and accelerating through all of these sections even north of 140mph.
Another thing that I was not expecting to see was Higgins actually using the kerbs! you can see he puts 2 wheels over one at 138mph! and hits others at some pretty significant speeds.
ZX10R NIN said:
I think now they have to sell 1000 units, it's also the reason the Norton only races in the Senior Class as they don't qualify to race in the Superbike race on Saturday it's also the same reason the RCV213V-S can't race in the Superbike race.
Ah ok, didn't realise the FIM had increased the production numbers requirement.Now look at this 600cc onboard from 2 years ago & look at all the places the car bled time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWZG1nhgwgg
Look at the places he lifts/brakes where the bike's flat & very slow through the worst sections.
Also when you hear the change in pitch as the bike comes out of the corners that's not the rider adding more throttle it's the bike getting onto the fatter part of the tyre.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWZG1nhgwgg
Look at the places he lifts/brakes where the bike's flat & very slow through the worst sections.
Also when you hear the change in pitch as the bike comes out of the corners that's not the rider adding more throttle it's the bike getting onto the fatter part of the tyre.
Edited by ZX10R NIN on Tuesday 31st May 22:26
RB Will said:
Another thing that I was not expecting to see was Higgins actually using the kerbs! you can see he puts 2 wheels over one at 138mph! and hits others at some pretty significant speeds.
Yep. It certainly doesn't look like there's a huge amount of room for improvement. That's why so many of us will be surprised if Higgins can increase his average speed by much more than 5mph.No doubt extra power will help him but it's a big ask to get anywhere near a 10mph improvement.
I hope he has a bloody good go at it though and that he gets a dry, issue free run so that we can see what MH and the car are really capable of.
PorkInsider said:
Yep. It certainly doesn't look like there's a huge amount of room for improvement. That's why so many of us will be surprised if Higgins can increase his average speed by much more than 5mph.
No doubt extra power will help him but it's a big ask to get anywhere near a 10mph improvement.
I hope he has a bloody good go at it though and that he gets a dry, issue free run so that we can see what MH and the car are really capable of.
That's the thing though he only needs 9 seconds per mph faster over 38miles to do it. No doubt extra power will help him but it's a big ask to get anywhere near a 10mph improvement.
I hope he has a bloody good go at it though and that he gets a dry, issue free run so that we can see what MH and the car are really capable of.
Given 100% more power vastly better brakes and vastly more aero he will be at and above the Suburus top speed for so much longer later braking.
I've just watched an old 5th gear 911sPDK v a M6 bi turbo. The M6 corners at 66mph the Porsche 78mph that's on one corner!!!
Or remember that Isle of Man Top Gear challenge the 911 S v M6 v Aston the 911S over the section of road was 12 seconds faster on a one min 20 second section purely on brakes and cornering speed.
Now multiply that by all the corners and then as its power is vastly more too not LESS than the M6 it will utterly destroy the time.
I'm now seriously thinking they are aiming on a 130mph average speed go for it Huggy you can do it.
Don't get mad it's not personal most people have no understanding of how bikes perform so why let them speculate it's harmless fun when it doesn't break 122mph it'll show where theory gets you & how fast bikes are compared to cars
Most are saying 127mph as I've already stated I'll donate £50 to HH if it breaks 123mph
Most are saying 127mph as I've already stated I'll donate £50 to HH if it breaks 123mph
ZX10R NIN said:
Don't get mad it's not personal most people have no understanding of how bikes perform so why let them speculate it's harmless fun when it doesn't break 122mph it'll show where theory gets you & how fast bikes are compared to cars
Most are saying 127mph as I've already stated I'll donate £50 to HH if it breaks 123mph
I thought it was £50k? Most are saying 127mph as I've already stated I'll donate £50 to HH if it breaks 123mph
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