RE: Subaru Isle of Man TT car - new pictures

[Welshbeef]

Bonefish Blues said:

Welshbeef said:

What day is this going to happen?

I'll go for 127mph and if it does just imagine what a P1 or the like could do...

I would refer my learned friend to last year's thread, and the one before, and the one before...

Yes I know it will never try so we will never know - just like which is faster round he top gear test track laferrari 918 or P1. Still the bants is fun.

[1173russ]

10th June I believe.

[Welshbeef]

It's a wonder why no other car makers want to try?

[GravelBen]

Welshbeef said:

It's a wonder why no other car makers want to try?

I'm sure some of them would if they were allowed, AFAIK Subaru only got a chance due to their sponsorship of the TT providing course cars etc.

[MrOrange]

RumbleOfThunder said:

Biker boys getting tetchy again that their special thing is getting messed with . It will smash through a 120 mph average.

Leaving it miles slower than all of the bikes.

[Welshbeef]

So far 3 attempts
Tony Pond 827i 100moh average
1st Suburu run 113mph (learning he circuit)
2nd Suburu run 117mph with 20% of the course with ruined brakes.


I'd love to know how much faster it would have been with brakes which lasted the entire lap? Would that alone have done a 120mph+ lap.

[rigga]

Approximately 30 seconds difference between a 117mph and a 120mph lap, so its possible, but its all ifs and buts, this car should and will be faster, by how much who knows, to do a 123mph lap as I predicted, the car needs to be 56 seconds faster over the lap than the old car did it, time will be made up at certain points, and lost at others.

[Welshbeef]

rigga said:

Approximately 30 seconds difference between a 117mph and a 120mph lap, so its possible, but its all ifs and buts, this car should and will be faster, by how much who knows, to do a 123mph lap as I predicted, the car needs to be 56 seconds faster over the lap than the old car did it, time will be made up at certain points, and lost at others.

What's the time difference between a 114 and the 117mph which the suburu achieved simply on knowing the track a little better?

I maintain what I said if the brakes on the last car were better / could last the lap then it would have been much faster - comfortably more than 36 or even 58 seconds.

[rigga]

114mph. 19min 51.47 sec
117mph. 19min 20.91 sec

Any TT rider in the same class (same car different year) would dream of that improvement in a year.

[anonymous-user]

MrOrange said:

RumbleOfThunder said:

Biker boys getting tetchy again that their special thing is getting messed with . It will smash through a 120 mph average.

Leaving it miles slower than all of the bikes.

Or to put it another way, if he manages a 123 mph lap average, over a 6 lap superbike race, poor old Mark would find himself 18 miles behind as the winning bike crossed the finish line.

Fair play to MH for giving it a go but let's not get carried away.

[Welshbeef]

rigga said:

114mph. 19min 51.47 sec
117mph. 19min 20.91 sec

Any TT rider in the same class (same car different year) would dream of that improvement in a year.

And the sole difference between those two times is simply knowing the track a bit better.

Now if the Suburus brakes had lasted the remaining 20% of he track it would have certainly gone quicker - how much we don't know but clearly it would have been quicker. In shine nearly 8 miles not being able to be on full attack due to shot brakes? 8 miles with only engine breaking available hmm

[rigga]

No doubt, but lets not fall into the trap that simply now he has an extra 300bhp he will smash it, yes obviously a much quicker car, but then his braking points have all changed, huge improvement can be made initially, as in between the two initail car attempts, its the next bit that takes a lot more to achieve, current lap record bike is years old with constant improvement, plus a hugely experienced rider on board.

[Welshbeef]

rigga said:

No doubt, but lets not fall into the trap that simply now he has an extra 300bhp he will smash it, yes obviously a much quicker car, but then his braking points have all changed, huge improvement can be made initially, as in between the two initail car attempts, its the next bit that takes a lot more to achieve, current lap record bike is years old with constant improvement, plus a hugely experienced rider on board.

Does anyone have the time c80% through the lap when he achieved 117mph and at that point what was he "on for"? That way we can roughly get to a possible outcome with working brakes for the whole lap, then this new car will be all the more impressive (or not)

[Bonefish Blues]

Welshbeef said:

Does anyone have the time c80% through the lap when he achieved 117mph and at that point what was he "on for"? That way we can roughly get to a possible outcome with working brakes for the whole lap, then this new car will be all the more impressive (or not)

EVO article he say:

Manxman Higgins posted a time of 19:56.7 for his first ‘demonstration lap’ of the 37.8-mile TT Course in what's described as a ‘lightly modified’ STI – translating into an average speed of 113mph. That’s over two minutes quicker than the record set by Tony Pond in 1990, when he set the first ever 100mph average lap using the somewhat improbable tool of a Rover 827 Vitesse.

Higgins admitted he could have gone quicker, and the Subaru also suffered from brake fade towards the end of the lap. He averaged 124mph for the section between Douglas and Ramsey, and even at the top of the mountain section he was still on course for a 120mph lap. With further runs scheduled for Wednesday and Friday as part of the TT race week, expect the record to come down even further.

[Welshbeef]

Bonefish Blues said:

EVO article he say:

Manxman Higgins posted a time of 19:56.7 for his first ‘demonstration lap’ of the 37.8-mile TT Course in what's described as a ‘lightly modified’ STI – translating into an average speed of 113mph. That’s over two minutes quicker than the record set by Tony Pond in 1990, when he set the first ever 100mph average lap using the somewhat improbable tool of a Rover 827 Vitesse.

Higgins admitted he could have gone quicker, and the Subaru also suffered from brake fade towards the end of the lap. He averaged 124mph for the section between Douglas and Ramsey, and even at the top of the mountain section he was still on course for a 120mph lap. With further runs scheduled for Wednesday and Friday as part of the TT race week, expect the record to come down even further.

So in the old car with 300bhp though it's likely to be 360-380/400bhp he should have done a 120mph time.

Now add in aero and anywhere between 50-100% more power and a much higher top speed than the 160ish mph. I think he will destroy the time. There must be F1 software that they can use to give an expected lap time this average speed.


A shame other big car drivers don't come along and have a go too - not to take it away from bikers

[PorkInsider]

Welshbeef said:

What day is this going to happen?

I'll go for 127mph and if it does just imagine what a P1 or the like could do...

127mph?

Not a chance.

Current 117.5 mph is 19 mins 16 secs

120mph is 18 mins 52 secs

127mph is a 17 mins 50 secs

(Using 37.73 mile lap)

Do you really think a minute and a half off the current time is pissible?

[anonymous-user]

PorkInsider said:

127mph?

Not a chance.

Current 117.5 mph is 19 mins 16 secs

120mph is 18 mins 52 secs

127mph is a 17 mins 50 secs

(Using 37.73 mile lap)

Do you really think a minute and a half off the current time is pissible?

Pissable yes, stable no.

[Welshbeef]

PorkInsider said:

Welshbeef said:

What day is this going to happen?

I'll go for 127mph and if it does just imagine what a P1 or the like could do...

127mph?

Not a chance.

Current 117.5 mph is 19 mins 16 secs

120mph is 18 mins 52 secs

127mph is a 17 mins 50 secs

(Using 37.73 mile lap)

Do you really think a minute and a half off the current time is pissible?

Given he had huge brake fade for the last 20% of the course and up to that point he was inline to get a 120mph+ speed then the new car is a lot faster than this Suburu. Why do you seem to think it can barely go any faster ?

[rigga]

Its not just barely faster though is it, your estimate of a 127mph lap is a huge leap.

[Welshbeef]

rigga said:

Its not just barely faster though is it, your estimate of a 127mph lap is a huge leap.

No the fact is the Suburu should have done a 120mph but mechanical failure harmed the remaining 8 miles of the track.

So assuming it should have done 120mph. What's the time difference between a 120 & 127mph lap? Then over 38miles could said faster car make up that time?