Debate with a friend over Dash Cam evidence...
Discussion
Devil2575 said:
The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. If you're happy for people to jump red lights then that's fine.
I'm not suggesting people start reporting everyone but it's just something to bear in mind.
What others do is down to them if it affects me by them crashing into me then etc I'd take them to the cleaners apart from that I don't care. If someone overtakes you doing 100mph when you're doing 75mph are you going to report them to?I'm not suggesting people start reporting everyone but it's just something to bear in mind.
ZX10R NIN said:
Why would you care if someone's jumped a red light? Would you report them if you'd seen them do rather than caught it on camera? If so would you pull up a cyclist & call the police if they jumped a red light?
If the answer is no then leave people to get on with their lives, if you witness to an accident then it's acceptable but apart from that I see no reason to be reporting anyone.
Until it's you who goes through a green light to be t-boned by a serial red-light jumper and puts you in hospital.If the answer is no then leave people to get on with their lives, if you witness to an accident then it's acceptable but apart from that I see no reason to be reporting anyone.
Sorry, but you have a pi55 poor attitude.
Grunt Futtock said:
I've come from the Police station this morning after showing some dashcam footage
And this is why I have such a big issue with dash cams.Busy-body wannabe law enforcers with nothing better to do than to inform on their fellow citizens.
You'd have fitted in really well in East Germany.
ZX10R NIN said:
Devil2575 said:
The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. If you're happy for people to jump red lights then that's fine.
I'm not suggesting people start reporting everyone but it's just something to bear in mind.
What others do is down to them if it affects me by them crashing into me then etc I'd take them to the cleaners apart from that I don't care. If someone overtakes you doing 100mph when you're doing 75mph are you going to report them to?I'm not suggesting people start reporting everyone but it's just something to bear in mind.
If I'd had a rear dashcam the footage would likely be with the police now.
In general I wouldn't bother but when they are being dangerous and inconsiderate thats another matter.
One thing to consider is that dash cam footage isn't a straight pass to court or a ticket for the offenders, despite the righteous indignation of the cameraman. The impact factors are still considered, so a lot of complaints are dealt with my means of a long winded warning once the driver is traced. Obviously no one would have went to the trouble to report it in the first place if they didn't have a camera.
LordHaveMurci said:
I'd spend half my life at the Police station if I reported every red light jumper I saw!
Not really.I actually reported one in Banbury a few months back that was caught on my dashcam. I don't make a habit in reporting every misdemeanour I see, but this was blatant beyond belief and jumped about 4 seconds after it turned red on the M40 roundabout.
The cops were very helpful, and emailed through a witness statement to fill out. Took 10 mins, scanned and emailed back. I never attended the police station. With the witness statement along with the footage, they confronted the driver, who pleaded guilty on the spot. He took a driver improvement course + fine rather then the 3 points. But if he had contested it, that's a different matter. The police said that they probably wouldn't pursue it.
Edited by fatboy b on Thursday 26th May 16:00
fatboy b said:
LordHaveMurci said:
I'd spend half my life at the Police station if I reported every red light jumper I saw!
Not really.I actually reported one in Banbury a few months back that was caught on my dashcam. I don't make a habit in reporting every misdemeanour I see, but this was blatant beyond belief and jumped about 4 seconds after it turned red on the M40 roundabout.
The cops were very helpful, and emailed through a witness statement to fill out. Took 10 mins, scanned and emailed back. I never attended the police station. With the witness statement along with the footage, they confronted the driver, who pleaded guilty on the spot. He took a driver improvement course + fine rather then the 3 points. But if he had contested it, that's a different matter. The police daid that they probably wouldn't pursue it.
So yes, I would spend a lot of time should I choose to report the little f
kers. Deeply disappointing to see just how many posters who have a problem with people being annoyed at appalling driving. Guessing that they wouldn't mind if said red light jumpers wiped out a loved one driving the opposite direction on a green? And as for driving along the pavement and potentially knocking pedestrians down, well that's okay too. Just so long as no bastid noisey busybody with a webcam films them and reports them to the police.
Public spirited citizens - pah! I spit in your face.
Hey, while we're at it let's ridicule anyone who provides evidence of any offence or crime to the 'Peegs'. You know, like people who have the balls to stand up in Court when they've witnessed abuse, rapes, burglaries, murders, etc. Who do they think they are?
To all you small minded people I say grow-up-and-get-a-life.
Public spirited citizens - pah! I spit in your face.
Hey, while we're at it let's ridicule anyone who provides evidence of any offence or crime to the 'Peegs'. You know, like people who have the balls to stand up in Court when they've witnessed abuse, rapes, burglaries, murders, etc. Who do they think they are?
To all you small minded people I say grow-up-and-get-a-life.
ArnieVXR said:
Deeply disappointing to see just how many posters who have a problem with people being annoyed at appalling driving. Guessing that they wouldn't mind if said red light jumpers wiped out a loved one driving the opposite direction on a green? And as for driving along the pavement and potentially knocking pedestrians down, well that's okay too. Just so long as no bastid noisey busybody with a webcam films them and reports them to the police.
Public spirited citizens - pah! I spit in your face.
Hey, while we're at it let's ridicule anyone who provides evidence of any offence or crime to the 'Peegs'. You know, like people who have the balls to stand up in Court when they've witnessed abuse, rapes, burglaries, murders, etc. Who do they think they are?
To all you small minded people I say grow-up-and-get-a-life.
Make sure you never do 80 down a motorway then just in case some busybody with a dashcam and nothing better to do with their time has recently had a family member wiped out by a speeder. Public spirited citizens - pah! I spit in your face.
Hey, while we're at it let's ridicule anyone who provides evidence of any offence or crime to the 'Peegs'. You know, like people who have the balls to stand up in Court when they've witnessed abuse, rapes, burglaries, murders, etc. Who do they think they are?
To all you small minded people I say grow-up-and-get-a-life.
ArnieVXR said:
Deeply disappointing to see just how many posters who have a problem with people being annoyed at appalling driving. Guessing that they wouldn't mind if said red light jumpers wiped out a loved one driving the opposite direction on a green? And as for driving along the pavement and potentially knocking pedestrians down, well that's okay too. Just so long as no bastid noisey busybody with a webcam films them and reports them to the police.
Public spirited citizens - pah! I spit in your face.
Hey, while we're at it let's ridicule anyone who provides evidence of any offence or crime to the 'Peegs'. You know, like people who have the balls to stand up in Court when they've witnessed abuse, rapes, burglaries, murders, etc. Who do they think they are?
To all you small minded people I say grow-up-and-get-a-life.
So you support cameras on every lamp post and in every car, all accessible remotely by the police do you?Public spirited citizens - pah! I spit in your face.
Hey, while we're at it let's ridicule anyone who provides evidence of any offence or crime to the 'Peegs'. You know, like people who have the balls to stand up in Court when they've witnessed abuse, rapes, burglaries, murders, etc. Who do they think they are?
To all you small minded people I say grow-up-and-get-a-life.
Reporting a burglary or rape is not the same as reporting a minor motoring infraction that did no harm to anyone. Think about what you're saying rather than metaphorically spitting in people's faces just because they don't share your opinion.
ArnieVXR said:
Deeply disappointing to see just how many posters who have a problem with people being annoyed at appalling driving.
It is little bit odd. There are loads of posts on here bemoaning other people's crappy driving and saying that if there were more traffic cops rather than cameras then the roads would be a better place. However if somebody calls someone out on their crappy driving via a dashcam, such that the crappy driving may actually have repercussions, then they're basically a stasi collaborator. ArnieVXR said:
Deeply disappointing to see just how many posters who have a problem with people being annoyed at appalling driving. Guessing that they wouldn't mind if said red light jumpers wiped out a loved one driving the opposite direction on a green? And as for driving along the pavement and potentially knocking pedestrians down, well that's okay too. Just so long as no bastid noisey busybody with a webcam films them and reports them to the police.
Public spirited citizens - pah! I spit in your face.
Hey, while we're at it let's ridicule anyone who provides evidence of any offence or crime to the 'Peegs'. You know, like people who have the balls to stand up in Court when they've witnessed abuse, rapes, burglaries, murders, etc. Who do they think they are?
To all you small minded people I say grow-up-and-get-a-life.
So Arnie you're coming off of a roundabout no one to hit, you decide to gas it up & get a little sideways on the exit someone catches this on a camera & reports you are you going to be happy about it?Public spirited citizens - pah! I spit in your face.
Hey, while we're at it let's ridicule anyone who provides evidence of any offence or crime to the 'Peegs'. You know, like people who have the balls to stand up in Court when they've witnessed abuse, rapes, burglaries, murders, etc. Who do they think they are?
To all you small minded people I say grow-up-and-get-a-life.
The van went down the pavement after the pedestrian had passed so there was no potential for knocking down a pedestrian.
Stop spitting & read what was written, If someones dash cam captures a murder hand it in but if it catches someone speeding, eating a sandwich driving in a way you just didn't like then no don't be pathetic & go handing it in.
ArnieVXR said:
Deeply disappointing to see just how many posters who have a problem with people being annoyed at appalling driving. Guessing that they wouldn't mind if said red light jumpers wiped out a loved one driving the opposite direction on a green? And as for driving along the pavement and potentially knocking pedestrians down, well that's okay too. Just so long as no bastid noisey busybody with a webcam films them and reports them to the police.
Public spirited citizens - pah! I spit in your face.
Hey, while we're at it let's ridicule anyone who provides evidence of any offence or crime to the 'Peegs'. You know, like people who have the balls to stand up in Court when they've witnessed abuse, rapes, burglaries, murders, etc. Who do they think they are?
To all you small minded people I say grow-up-and-get-a-life.
Public spirited citizens - pah! I spit in your face.
Hey, while we're at it let's ridicule anyone who provides evidence of any offence or crime to the 'Peegs'. You know, like people who have the balls to stand up in Court when they've witnessed abuse, rapes, burglaries, murders, etc. Who do they think they are?
To all you small minded people I say grow-up-and-get-a-life.
And just to clarify. My dashcam was bought incase of a one on one accident that wasn't my fault. I was involved in one a few years back when a farmer towing a horsebox that was a lot widing than his car and was in the wrong lane of a roundabout carved me up, taking out the o/s/f wing. It went 50:50 at the insurance co, but w ith a dashcam it would have been easy to prove it was his fault.
That said, in two years of ownership I've only shopped the red light jumper, but that just happens to be my pet hate. If I'm filmed being a moron and get reported, then that's my own silly fault. Filming someone speeding is never goung to get proven in court, so rest easy those people paranoid about that.
Edited by fatboy b on Thursday 26th May 17:41
I'd say driving on the pavement is more frowned upon than illegal per se. I applaud the white van man for getting the economy moving. If we had been out of Europe those lights would probably have been green. As for the jogger it would have been a none event whether he was there or not. People taking exercise should be aware of the health hazards as well as benefits.
I blame the Russians.
I blame the Russians.
Grunt Futtock said:
Oh yes, loads of time on my hands. Alternatively I don't want to see white van man driving on pavements through bus stop waiting areas around where I live, did I mention he nearly took my wing mirror off as well? If you are happy to live in an area that is perfectly acceptable driving let me know where that is so I can avoid it.
You'll be avoiding most areas in England then 
I'd much rather an area where people occasionally drive on empty pavements than one where people send footage of every little misdemeanour into the police.Debated sending this to the cops, but couldn't be bothered in the end. (NSFW Language) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUUTXv5ivHk
General Fluff said:
ArnieVXR said:
Deeply disappointing to see just how many posters who have a problem with people being annoyed at appalling driving. Guessing that they wouldn't mind if said red light jumpers wiped out a loved one driving the opposite direction on a green? And as for driving along the pavement and potentially knocking pedestrians down, well that's okay too. Just so long as no bastid noisey busybody with a webcam films them and reports them to the police.
Public spirited citizens - pah! I spit in your face.
Hey, while we're at it let's ridicule anyone who provides evidence of any offence or crime to the 'Peegs'. You know, like people who have the balls to stand up in Court when they've witnessed abuse, rapes, burglaries, murders, etc. Who do they think they are?
To all you small minded people I say grow-up-and-get-a-life.
So you support cameras on every lamp post and in every car, all accessible remotely by the police do you?Public spirited citizens - pah! I spit in your face.
Hey, while we're at it let's ridicule anyone who provides evidence of any offence or crime to the 'Peegs'. You know, like people who have the balls to stand up in Court when they've witnessed abuse, rapes, burglaries, murders, etc. Who do they think they are?
To all you small minded people I say grow-up-and-get-a-life.
Reporting a burglary or rape is not the same as reporting a minor motoring infraction that did no harm to anyone. Think about what you're saying rather than metaphorically spitting in people's faces just because they don't share your opinion.
I totally agree that there are degrees of what would and would not be reasonable when it comes to reporting offences. My teacher used to remind us not to tell tales. We all done things in cars that are probably wrong and a well intentioned Bobby would turn a blind eye to them.
My posting is (a) a little tongue in cheek and (b) a pop at the venom that many of the replies have been laced with. If people want to say 'be public spirited, but try to avoid senselessly persecuting people for what is entirely trivial' then try and do so nicely. I got the impression that the question and scenarios presented relate to appalling driving for which there is no excuse.
Maybe people could think of an answer that question?
fatboy b said:
ZX10R NIN said:
Why would you care if someone's jumped a red light? Would you report them if you'd seen them do rather than caught it on camera? If so would you pull up a cyclist & call the police if they jumped a red light?
If the answer is no then leave people to get on with their lives, if you witness to an accident then it's acceptable but apart from that I see no reason to be reporting anyone.
Until it's you who goes through a green light to be t-boned by a serial red-light jumper and puts you in hospital.If the answer is no then leave people to get on with their lives, if you witness to an accident then it's acceptable but apart from that I see no reason to be reporting anyone.
Sorry, but you have a pi55 poor attitude.
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