Debate with a friend over Dash Cam evidence...
Discussion
fatboy b said:
ZX10R NIN said:
Why would you care if someone's jumped a red light? Would you report them if you'd seen them do rather than caught it on camera? If so would you pull up a cyclist & call the police if they jumped a red light?
If the answer is no then leave people to get on with their lives, if you witness to an accident then it's acceptable but apart from that I see no reason to be reporting anyone.
Until it's you who goes through a green light to be t-boned by a serial red-light jumper and puts you in hospital.If the answer is no then leave people to get on with their lives, if you witness to an accident then it's acceptable but apart from that I see no reason to be reporting anyone.
Sorry, but you have a pi55 poor attitude.
Also remember that people are talking about incidents where nothing happened.
The guy jumped the red light nothing happened but the guy with the dashcam wants to report him.
The guy that put two wheels on the pavement & drove down it to get around some traffic nothing happened but someone with a dashcam wants to report him.
The guy that's speeding (in the dashcam drivers opinion) driving in an aggressive manner, nothing happened but yet people want to report them.
This is piss poor in my opinion.
As I said at the start if you witness an accident then report away if nothing happens then get on with your life.
ZX10R NIN said:
As I said at the start if you witness an accident then report away if nothing happens then get on with your life.
I'm guessing you don't mean that the guy in the white Range Rover Sport who smashed into that car paralysing the two girls and has been found guilty using dash-cam evidence would have been okay if he'd have just missed them and nothing happened?I think you're right: If it's trivial then just let it go because nobody cares. The Police won't be interested in minor technical infringements. People driving like utter nutcases, driving dangerously without due-care and attention, intimidating other road uses or all of the above...well maybe that's another thing.
ZX10R NIN said:
Devil2575 said:
The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. If you're happy for people to jump red lights then that's fine.
I'm not suggesting people start reporting everyone but it's just something to bear in mind.
What others do is down to them if it affects me by them crashing into me then etc I'd take them to the cleaners apart from that I don't care. If someone overtakes you doing 100mph when you're doing 75mph are you going to report them to?I'm not suggesting people start reporting everyone but it's just something to bear in mind.
If someone was driving up and down your street at high speed would you wait until they hit your car before you complained about it?
Would you only care if they hit your car? what about someone elses?
What if you saw someone hit another person car but then drive off without exchanging details? Would that be non of your business or would you report them, or at least give details to the damaged cars owner?
I think that the speed point you make is at the route of the problem many people on PH have with this. The fear that if people routinely started reporting stuff that they would end up in bother for speeding.
ZX10R NIN said:
Been there done that healed got paid out the police prosecuted the guy all without a dash cam in sight.
Also remember that people are talking about incidents where nothing happened.
The guy jumped the red light nothing happened but the guy with the dashcam wants to report him.
The guy that put two wheels on the pavement & drove down it to get around some traffic nothing happened but someone with a dashcam wants to report him.
The guy that's speeding (in the dashcam drivers opinion) driving in an aggressive manner, nothing happened but yet people want to report them.
This is piss poor in my opinion.
As I said at the start if you witness an accident then report away if nothing happens then get on with your life.
What if you hadn't healed? What if you'd been paralysed? Would a pay out make up for that? Also remember that people are talking about incidents where nothing happened.
The guy jumped the red light nothing happened but the guy with the dashcam wants to report him.
The guy that put two wheels on the pavement & drove down it to get around some traffic nothing happened but someone with a dashcam wants to report him.
The guy that's speeding (in the dashcam drivers opinion) driving in an aggressive manner, nothing happened but yet people want to report them.
This is piss poor in my opinion.
As I said at the start if you witness an accident then report away if nothing happens then get on with your life.
Acting only once something bad has happened is exactly the wrong approach if you want to make the roads safer, but then I guess you don't see that as any of your concern.
No one is talking about reporting every minor infraction but the argument that people who report stuff where 'nothing happened and no one was hurt' are stupid is completely flawed. There is a reason why 'near miss' reporting is mandatory in industry, to spell it out for every incident that does result in damage/injury/fatality there are probably a dozen near misses.
The point of reporting people for doing things like driving over the pavement is while no-one got hurt this time there is no way this guy hasn't done that before. Maybe next time he won't spot someone standing behind a tree stepping out on to the path, maybe that someone will be someone you know.
The point of reporting people for doing things like driving over the pavement is while no-one got hurt this time there is no way this guy hasn't done that before. Maybe next time he won't spot someone standing behind a tree stepping out on to the path, maybe that someone will be someone you know.
Grunt Futtock said:
No one is talking about reporting every minor infraction
Not seen many dashcam youtube videos then? It's not Shakespeare, there's enough monkeys out there that no matter how you drive someone will take offence. And those more inclined to do so seem to be attracted to having a dashcam.0000 said:
Not seen many dashcam youtube videos then? It's not Shakespeare, there's enough monkeys out there that no matter how you drive someone will take offence. And those more inclined to do so seem to be attracted to having a dashcam.
Yep, just like there will be lots of knobbers driving like knobbers there will be dashcam derek who uploads everyone running an amber light. I guess you have to choose which type of cock you dislike least....so to speak. (this all got a bit homo-erotic).Devil2575 said:
ZX10R NIN said:
Been there done that healed got paid out the police prosecuted the guy all without a dash cam in sight.
Also remember that people are talking about incidents where nothing happened.
The guy jumped the red light nothing happened but the guy with the dashcam wants to report him.
The guy that put two wheels on the pavement & drove down it to get around some traffic nothing happened but someone with a dashcam wants to report him.
The guy that's speeding (in the dashcam drivers opinion) driving in an aggressive manner, nothing happened but yet people want to report them.
This is piss poor in my opinion.
As I said at the start if you witness an accident then report away if nothing happens then get on with your life.
What if you hadn't healed? What if you'd been paralysed? Would a pay out make up for that? Also remember that people are talking about incidents where nothing happened.
The guy jumped the red light nothing happened but the guy with the dashcam wants to report him.
The guy that put two wheels on the pavement & drove down it to get around some traffic nothing happened but someone with a dashcam wants to report him.
The guy that's speeding (in the dashcam drivers opinion) driving in an aggressive manner, nothing happened but yet people want to report them.
This is piss poor in my opinion.
As I said at the start if you witness an accident then report away if nothing happens then get on with your life.
Acting only once something bad has happened is exactly the wrong approach if you want to make the roads safer, but then I guess you don't see that as any of your concern.
ArnieVXR said:
ZX10R NIN said:
As I said at the start if you witness an accident then report away if nothing happens then get on with your life.
I'm guessing you don't mean that the guy in the white Range Rover Sport who smashed into that car paralysing the two girls and has been found guilty using dash-cam evidence would have been okay if he'd have just missed them and nothing happened?I think you're right: If it's trivial then just let it go because nobody cares. The Police won't be interested in minor technical infringements. People driving like utter nutcases, driving dangerously without due-care and attention, intimidating other road uses or all of the above...well maybe that's another thing.
Devil2575 said:
What if you hadn't healed? What if you'd been paralysed? Would a pay out make up for that?
Acting only once something bad has happened is exactly the wrong approach if you want to make the roads safer, but then I guess you don't see that as any of your concern.
I will never live my life by thinking what if, with that kind of negative thinking I wouldn't come out of my house.Acting only once something bad has happened is exactly the wrong approach if you want to make the roads safer, but then I guess you don't see that as any of your concern.
I haven't fully healed (I had very significant injuries) I still have operations to be done but you know what I'm getting on with my life & I still don't see feel the need to report on what others do.
Edited by ZX10R NIN on Friday 27th May 21:29
ZX10R NIN said:
fatboy b said:
ZX10R NIN said:
Why would you care if someone's jumped a red light? Would you report them if you'd seen them do rather than caught it on camera? If so would you pull up a cyclist & call the police if they jumped a red light?
If the answer is no then leave people to get on with their lives, if you witness to an accident then it's acceptable but apart from that I see no reason to be reporting anyone.
Until it's you who goes through a green light to be t-boned by a serial red-light jumper and puts you in hospital.If the answer is no then leave people to get on with their lives, if you witness to an accident then it's acceptable but apart from that I see no reason to be reporting anyone.
Sorry, but you have a pi55 poor attitude.
Also remember that people are talking about incidents where nothing happened.
The guy jumped the red light nothing happened but the guy with the dashcam wants to report him.
The guy that put two wheels on the pavement & drove down it to get around some traffic nothing happened but someone with a dashcam wants to report him.
The guy that's speeding (in the dashcam drivers opinion) driving in an aggressive manner, nothing happened but yet people want to report them.
This is piss poor in my opinion.
As I said at the start if you witness an accident then report away if nothing happens then get on with your life.
king business. Busy bodies are as old as time the only difference is nowadays they have a device to scream number plates into.As a previous poster pointed out these folks would be real upstanding citizens in East Germnay a few decades ago... until they accidentally recorded a government official that is.
It's quite simple, I'll mind my own "fking business" as long as you don't drive like a tit.
As soon as someone feels the need to drive along a pavement just because it looks clear from where they are sat then you automatically become a muppet.
I for one quite like the idea of muppets getting their collar felt.
king business" as long as you don't drive like a tit.As soon as someone feels the need to drive along a pavement just because it looks clear from where they are sat then you automatically become a muppet.
I for one quite like the idea of muppets getting their collar felt.
silver1011 said:
It's quite simple, I'll mind my own "fking business" as long as you don't drive like a tit.
As soon as someone feels the need to drive along a pavement just because it looks clear from where they are sat then you automatically become a muppet.
I for one quite like the idea of muppets getting their collar felt.
Where do you draw the line, then?king business" as long as you don't drive like a tit.As soon as someone feels the need to drive along a pavement just because it looks clear from where they are sat then you automatically become a muppet.
I for one quite like the idea of muppets getting their collar felt.
At what point does informing on people make you part of an oppressive regime, rather than an upstanding and public-minded citizen?
What happens when something you like doing is made illegal and your neighbour informs on you?
Or, most likely, how would you feel if your minor indiscretion was recorded by someone and handed into the police?
The authorities monitor us 24/7 through a variety of means already, the last thing we need is fellow citizens also recording and informing.
Did you know we are the most 'surveillanced' nation in the world already? - and it's only getting worse.
silver1011 said:
I'm happy to be filmed. I have nothing to hide.
I'm truly afraid that people think like this.It's not what's legal now that's important. It's what's illegal in the future you need to worry about.
We're wandering blindly into the kind of state people lost their lives trying to bring down not very long ago.
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