In the news - Jaguar Land Rover Manager - Road Rage Crash
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KungFuPanda said:
As I say, even if they weren't I still think they're at the age where they would have had to rely on the parents to strap them in properly. If they weren't the parent's insurers will payout for a proportion of the claim.
An initial interim payment would probably pay for home adaptations, possibly vehicular adaptations, care, private treatment and possibly even a house move to a single storey abode.
Quality of life will be worse. It's irreparable damage. Those things soften the blow a little. No payment in the world can make up for lost legsAn initial interim payment would probably pay for home adaptations, possibly vehicular adaptations, care, private treatment and possibly even a house move to a single storey abode.
nffcforever said:
Yeah, some seriously strange comments on here. I'm sure him committing suicide would be a great outcome for his mother, father, wife etc. More pain is definitely the answer.
Slightly different angle, but there's certainly some validity to suggesting he might be better off comitting suicide from his own perspective. His life from now on is going to be pretty awful. Not just his prison term, but afterwards too. He will have to live with what he's done, he'll be universally despised, he'll probably never get another job, etc etc.I know if I'd done that - I'd want to go.
Very upsetting. Those poor little children.
I have a disabled child and he uses a wheelchair, from my experience I assume many think the injuries to the girls mean that they won't walk again but probably get by with a chair. I'll tell you this, it goes far deeper than that; the impact of using a chair affects so many other branches of the tree.
Their 'life changing' injuries really will transform their whole future and unfortunately find out how restrictive life can be.
Going to the loo, getting into bed, getting out and about, getting a job, trying to access buildings' and other places that haven't got any facilities, not being able to run around and play like children, starting their own family - I really could go on and on; and those are just the physical impacts.
Think how it will affect the girls as they mature and become teenagers - they will have a hell of a time. They have had their freedom taken away by some t
t focussed on satisfying his rage.
I hope that somehow he understands his actions and lives to regret them for the rest of his life. Hopefully his actions will change his life, lose his high powered job and struggle through the rest of his life in some sort of comparable way.
I have a disabled child and he uses a wheelchair, from my experience I assume many think the injuries to the girls mean that they won't walk again but probably get by with a chair. I'll tell you this, it goes far deeper than that; the impact of using a chair affects so many other branches of the tree.
Their 'life changing' injuries really will transform their whole future and unfortunately find out how restrictive life can be.
Going to the loo, getting into bed, getting out and about, getting a job, trying to access buildings' and other places that haven't got any facilities, not being able to run around and play like children, starting their own family - I really could go on and on; and those are just the physical impacts.
Think how it will affect the girls as they mature and become teenagers - they will have a hell of a time. They have had their freedom taken away by some t
t focussed on satisfying his rage. I hope that somehow he understands his actions and lives to regret them for the rest of his life. Hopefully his actions will change his life, lose his high powered job and struggle through the rest of his life in some sort of comparable way.
nffcforever said:
DonkeyApple said:
We've all seen those mental blokes in their wife's small car driving like aggressive lunatics.
I think that there is just a significant proportion of unstable men with anger and inferiority issues in the UK. I don't actually think what car they drive is relevant.
I do think that people are more prone to noticing this behaviour when it is done by people who are a certain colour or drive a certain type of car etc. I think that is just natural human behaviour.
I haven't seen those blokes. I think that there is just a significant proportion of unstable men with anger and inferiority issues in the UK. I don't actually think what car they drive is relevant.
I do think that people are more prone to noticing this behaviour when it is done by people who are a certain colour or drive a certain type of car etc. I think that is just natural human behaviour.
zarjaz1991 said:
nffcforever said:
Yeah, some seriously strange comments on here. I'm sure him committing suicide would be a great outcome for his mother, father, wife etc. More pain is definitely the answer.
Slightly different angle, but there's certainly some validity to suggesting he might be better off comitting suicide from his own perspective. His life from now on is going to be pretty awful. Not just his prison term, but afterwards too. He will have to live with what he's done, he'll be universally despised, he'll probably never get another job, etc etc.I know if I'd done that - I'd want to go.
Hes fairly stuffed for a job because he'll have to declare he was in prison, which opens up the why? and then would an employer want the risk of someone like that working for them and the news getting out that he does. Unless he lies of course, which then opens up more problems.
And then as you say, he'll have to live with what hes done - which will be the hardest bit.
Very hard to see how anyone could get the self determination to live through that for the rest of his life.
daemon said:
Very hard to see how anyone could get the self determination to live through that for the rest of his life.
It's worth remembering that this is not a unique case - it's one that's made headlines because,- There's a film clip to show people, and
- Two small children have been severely injured.
Artey said:
Willy Nilly said:
DBSV8 said:
Artey said:
Willy Nilly said:
Do "we" want to see his life ruined too, possibly costing the state many thousands of pounds when he can't find a job and ends up on benefits, or do "we" want him to be rehabilitated and become a useful member of society? When he has finished his sentence, how does he make amends?
We could bring back labour camps, people like him instead of sitting on their asses in nice secure lockups could do something useful like build roads or do other things that could serve society as a whole which would offset the costs incurred by the state. But I guess his/their human rights would suffer innit, we can't have this happen.His act was deliberate , undertaking and driving across a live carriageway with no consideration for the occupants in either cars was culpable , reckless , dangerous regardless of what vehicle he was driving
As a human knowing the outcome that his actions have caused and fully aware of the life changing injuries received by the two children. He then chose to lie
This lack of remorse changes the situation entirely , a sorry excuse for a human being , I would be actively waiting for this scum to be coming out of jail in 2 years and crippling him , "an eye for an eye"
when hes going to suffer like these two innocent kiddies for the rest of his life ...is real justice
They'd have to be oldskool camps, not the modern EU lefty kind though. And if they don't learn anything and go back in again... gooooooood, more resurfaced roads, railways, train stations, more hospitals and such. Possibilities are endless.
Willy is correct. There is no upside to a society in creating more casualties than the incident that itself has created. It is that somewhat basic understanding that makes us culturally superior to backward nations like the one you mention.
In fact, all the evidence supports the argument that an individual is less likely to reoffend if they are not indoctrinated into the prison mindset through bonding hardships such as forced labour (something you'll have learned from those memoirs as all such individuals form bonds with people they never would have associated with) while the second most vital element is for them to have a functioning family unit to return to.
It's not about being loony left, it's just simply about being smarter and wanting to spend less money and minimise the knock on impact of such horrific events.
k-ink said:
This is what I was saying earlier. You don't tend to get people behaving like this in the street face to face. But put them in a car and they feel more protected, so act more aggressively. It stands to reason that the heavier their armour, the safer they will feel and the more aggressive certain types will become. Just a theory. Although I take others points that some people may be like this no matter what.
Looking back over the years a couple of incidents stand out to me...
One was a Capri owner leaning out the window screaming at me. Apparently I was travelling faster than him and had no right to challenge his manhood. I honestly didn't even notice the guy before and was certainly not even close to racing or challenging him. So weird! The guy was a total mental case frothing mouthed lunatic.
Second scenario was exactly the same to the previous one. This time a BMW 3 series. The guy went ape st and started following me an inch from my rear bumper. He went to overtake again, which was fine by me, I let him past. Then I smiled and waved as I drifted off into my exit. He pulled an emergency stop but was too late to make the exit. Absolute mental case!
Third example, I overtook a bumbling weaving RR driver on an NSL road. She went mental, flashing her lights and beeping. She then doubled her speed to catch up with me and tail gate me for a mile.
There have been plenty more to lesser degrees. All of them had one thing in common: some people don't like over taking, or some cars driving a bit quicker in adjacent lanes on an NSL road. Weird but there you go. Some are either too territorial or competitive or something. When you just want to make safe progress or get home you don't want to cross paths with these types!!
And if you do cross their path don't engage them or make matters worse, like smiling and waving at them in an attempt to wind them up. Looking back over the years a couple of incidents stand out to me...
One was a Capri owner leaning out the window screaming at me. Apparently I was travelling faster than him and had no right to challenge his manhood. I honestly didn't even notice the guy before and was certainly not even close to racing or challenging him. So weird! The guy was a total mental case frothing mouthed lunatic.
Second scenario was exactly the same to the previous one. This time a BMW 3 series. The guy went ape s
t and started following me an inch from my rear bumper. He went to overtake again, which was fine by me, I let him past. Then I smiled and waved as I drifted off into my exit. He pulled an emergency stop but was too late to make the exit. Absolute mental case!Third example, I overtook a bumbling weaving RR driver on an NSL road. She went mental, flashing her lights and beeping. She then doubled her speed to catch up with me and tail gate me for a mile.
There have been plenty more to lesser degrees. All of them had one thing in common: some people don't like over taking, or some cars driving a bit quicker in adjacent lanes on an NSL road. Weird but there you go. Some are either too territorial or competitive or something. When you just want to make safe progress or get home you don't want to cross paths with these types!!
I couldn't help myself with the parting wave and smile. It was perfectly timed as I knew they wouldn't make the exit as they were in the wrong lane and slightly in front of me by then. Usually I would just ignore them completely.
It is bewildering how some people get so wound up over absolutely nothing at all. Either they were all having the worst day of their lives, or they are mentally ill all the time. The guy in the 3 series probably went home and killed someone.
It is bewildering how some people get so wound up over absolutely nothing at all. Either they were all having the worst day of their lives, or they are mentally ill all the time. The guy in the 3 series probably went home and killed someone.
DonkeyApple said:
Yes because in countries which have draconian and backward penal systems there is no crime.
Willy is correct. There is no upside to a society in creating more casualties than the incident that itself has created. It is that somewhat basic understanding that makes us culturally superior to backward nations like the one you mention.
In fact, all the evidence supports the argument that an individual is less likely to reoffend if they are not indoctrinated into the prison mindset through bonding hardships such as forced labour (something you'll have learned from those memoirs as all such individuals form bonds with people they never would have associated with) while the second most vital element is for them to have a functioning family unit to return to.
It's not about being loony left, it's just simply about being smarter and wanting to spend less money and minimise the knock on impact of such horrific events.
What a load of bullsWilly is correct. There is no upside to a society in creating more casualties than the incident that itself has created. It is that somewhat basic understanding that makes us culturally superior to backward nations like the one you mention.
In fact, all the evidence supports the argument that an individual is less likely to reoffend if they are not indoctrinated into the prison mindset through bonding hardships such as forced labour (something you'll have learned from those memoirs as all such individuals form bonds with people they never would have associated with) while the second most vital element is for them to have a functioning family unit to return to.
It's not about being loony left, it's just simply about being smarter and wanting to spend less money and minimise the knock on impact of such horrific events.
te. Of course there is no place on Earth without crime. But not punishing the crime properly and promoting a mindset where the criminals have more rights than the victims (because human rights godddddammmit, dead victims have none but alive criminals no matter how animal their behaviour need to be protected) and once caught and potentially sentenced (as this is not granted in this modern fantastically progressive world we live in) will be provided with better life inside (paid for by the taxpayer) than they often had outside (where they had to pay for it themselves), again thanks to brainwashed progressive lefties like yourself, sends a clear message. And that message applies on all levels. Again WHAT A LOAD OF SELFDESTRUCTING BULLstE.Willy Nilly said:
I quite like the idea of once he has served his sentance and lengthy ban, the only vehicle he can drive for a few years is something like a Microcar or one of them Invacars, though the insurance premiums will probably limit him to something very small anyway.
I doubt he'd be able to afford much more than an 02 plate Ford Ka.Artey said:
DonkeyApple said:
Yes because in countries which have draconian and backward penal systems there is no crime.
Willy is correct. There is no upside to a society in creating more casualties than the incident that itself has created. It is that somewhat basic understanding that makes us culturally superior to backward nations like the one you mention.
In fact, all the evidence supports the argument that an individual is less likely to reoffend if they are not indoctrinated into the prison mindset through bonding hardships such as forced labour (something you'll have learned from those memoirs as all such individuals form bonds with people they never would have associated with) while the second most vital element is for them to have a functioning family unit to return to.
It's not about being loony left, it's just simply about being smarter and wanting to spend less money and minimise the knock on impact of such horrific events.
What a load of bullsWilly is correct. There is no upside to a society in creating more casualties than the incident that itself has created. It is that somewhat basic understanding that makes us culturally superior to backward nations like the one you mention.
In fact, all the evidence supports the argument that an individual is less likely to reoffend if they are not indoctrinated into the prison mindset through bonding hardships such as forced labour (something you'll have learned from those memoirs as all such individuals form bonds with people they never would have associated with) while the second most vital element is for them to have a functioning family unit to return to.
It's not about being loony left, it's just simply about being smarter and wanting to spend less money and minimise the knock on impact of such horrific events.
te. Of course there is no place on Earth without crime. But not punishing the crime properly and promoting a mindset where the criminals have more rights than the victims (because human rights godddddammmit, dead victims have none but alive criminals no matter how animal their behaviour need to be protected) and once caught and potentially sentenced (as this is not granted in this modern fantastically progressive world we live in) will be provided with better life inside (paid for by the taxpayer) than they often had outside (where they had to pay for it themselves), again thanks to brainwashed progressive lefties like yourself, sends a clear message. And that message applies on all levels. Again WHAT A LOAD OF SELFDESTRUCTING BULLstE.Ozzie Osmond said:
daemon said:
Very hard to see how anyone could get the self determination to live through that for the rest of his life.
It's worth remembering that this is not a unique case - it's one that's made headlines because,- There's a film clip to show people, and
- Two small children have been severely injured.
Very sad.
Artey said:
What a load of bullste. Of course there is no place on Earth without crime. But not punishing the crime properly and promoting a mindset where the criminals have more rights than the victims (because human rights godddddammmit, dead victims have none but alive criminals no matter how animal their behaviour need to be protected) and once caught and potentially sentenced (as this is not granted in this modern fantastically progressive world we live in) will be provided with better life inside (paid for by the taxpayer) than they often had outside (where they had to pay for it themselves), again thanks to brainwashed progressive lefties like yourself, sends a clear message. And that message applies on all levels. Again WHAT A LOAD OF SELFDESTRUCTING BULLstE.
You're missing the point.te. Of course there is no place on Earth without crime. But not punishing the crime properly and promoting a mindset where the criminals have more rights than the victims (because human rights godddddammmit, dead victims have none but alive criminals no matter how animal their behaviour need to be protected) and once caught and potentially sentenced (as this is not granted in this modern fantastically progressive world we live in) will be provided with better life inside (paid for by the taxpayer) than they often had outside (where they had to pay for it themselves), again thanks to brainwashed progressive lefties like yourself, sends a clear message. And that message applies on all levels. Again WHAT A LOAD OF SELFDESTRUCTING BULLstE.Yes, he should be suitably* punished for his actions but for the good of society, he should then be able to rebuild his life - if only to ensure his family (who are innocent in all this) are allowed a chance at a normal life. No-one is saying he should be forgiven.
Ultimately society has to be realistic in its expectations. If it wants to condemn criminals and their families to a life of no work and destitution then fine, but we all better man the f
k up and realise it's going to cost us ALL a lot of money, whilst growing society's underclass. The alternative is that those who have done wrong are punished, serve their time and then are helped to rebuild their lives (easing the strain on taxpayer as a result).You have to remove emotion from the decision and, unfortunately, treat it as a practical choice.
*the definition of this is for a qualified judge to decide.
EnglishTony said:
carl_w said:
I'm also intrigued as to how two (light) children ended up both paralyzed (coincidence?) whereas two (heavy) adults escaped with relatively minor injuries.
No axe to grind, just a genuine interest.
Are you asking if the kids were wearing seat belts? 'cos I was wondering that. No axe to grind, just a genuine interest.
Doesn't exonerate the ärse that caused the crash but I can see how an insurance company would be interested.
We don't know what the children were wearing. However, if they were fully secured, would they have been paralysed? Bearing in mind the parents didn't receive such serious injuries and the driver took the brunt of the incident.
Just my thoughts. I don't want to derail the thread or take any blame from the LR driver. Absolutely horrendous incident and the f
king idiot who did this should never be allowed to drive on the roads again.funkyrobot said:
I am not a doctor or an engineer, but it seems like lap belts could have caused this? Top half of the body not secured and subsequent G loading wrecks spine?
We don't know what the children were wearing. However, if they were fully secured, would they have been paralysed? Bearing in mind the parents didn't receive such serious injuries and the driver took the brunt of the incident.
Just my thoughts. I don't want to derail the thread or take any blame from the LR driver. Absolutely horrendous incident and the fking idiot who did this should never be allowed to drive on the roads again.
It does pose an interesting question though...We don't know what the children were wearing. However, if they were fully secured, would they have been paralysed? Bearing in mind the parents didn't receive such serious injuries and the driver took the brunt of the incident.
Just my thoughts. I don't want to derail the thread or take any blame from the LR driver. Absolutely horrendous incident and the f
king idiot who did this should never be allowed to drive on the roads again.If the children were not properly secured as the law requires them to be, are the parents culpable (at least in part) for the injuries their children sustained?
It'd be a horrible outcome however it's not hard to imagine a lawyer arguing that defence on behalf of an insurer.
DonkeyApple said:
Wow. Impressive. You sound exactly like the sort of chap who would chase down a woman in an MPV. Nutjob.
Lol, what a classy and on point response. You sound exactly like an idiot who would apologise to a crim braking into your house and raping your wife for her not having gotten a Brazilian. The guy must have had a tough upbringing hence he's a crim, so why not make him a big cuppa while he's at it. That will change his ways for sure.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff