In the news - Jaguar Land Rover Manager - Road Rage Crash
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saaby93 said:
You've misread what happened
The car that you claim instigated it had already turned right - which is why the eejert was trying to do same
The victims of it all were in a third car
Yeah, sorry I did completely misread. The car that you claim instigated it had already turned right - which is why the eejert was trying to do same
The victims of it all were in a third car
The Mazda driver will have to live with themselves knowing they were partially responsible.
Out of interest do they know the model of the Mazda, if it was a CX-5 then it would fit with the sort of person I see driving them.
jamieduff1981 said:
untakenname said:
Even though the other driver was to blame the mother will have to live with the fact that she instigated the tragic series of events that lead to her daughters being disabled.
Will the drivers insurers pay out considering it was a deliberate act and not an avoidable accident?
The third party's rights are not affected. That's why third party insurance is compulsary. Whether the insurer pursues the insured in civil court after the payout is another matter.Will the drivers insurers pay out considering it was a deliberate act and not an avoidable accident?
Whats important here is the young lives that have been forever changed and the reality of the parents having to deal with that, all through the uncaring and arrogance of a driver of a vehicle. The type of vehicle is irrelevant. What is relevant is the type of drivers who behave like that are brought to justice.
s3fella said:
I dont agree with our "Forest Fan" per se, but you saying the "choice of car is irrelevant" not true. If this arrogant t
t had made driven exactly the same in a mk2 fiesta or on a motorbike, the likely outcome would have bene far different. IMO there are SOME people that drive far less safely because they perceive (with some justification) that they are in a big safe vehicle and that "they will be ok" . Ie they are selfish tts who dont give a monkeys about anyone else.
But if the intent of the post you reply to was to say all Disco drivers are bells, well clearly that isn't true. But do some people drive big cars because they themselves are a fking liability on the roads, wither through incompetence or aggression...absolutely. IN a previous job we sold Land / range rovers as well as Hilux pickups and we did have customers buying them because little johnny or Mrs XYZ had crashed three Pugs and Fords into trees / other cars and dad / hubby wanted them to be "safe". Had to bit our lips to not suggest they get some fking driving lessons!!
As for this case, that (and he is a ) was clearly chasing that Mazda and just had absolutely no regard for anyone else. He needs to be locked up for as long as possible, and banned for a very very long time when he comes out. Poor family, dreadful for them.
Just to reiterate (again), I categorically did not say that all Discovery drivers are bells, or all drivers of any other type of car. That would clearly be stupid.t had made driven exactly the same in a mk2 fiesta or on a motorbike, the likely outcome would have bene far different. IMO there are SOME people that drive far less safely because they perceive (with some justification) that they are in a big safe vehicle and that "they will be ok" . Ie they are selfish tts who dont give a monkeys about anyone else. But if the intent of the post you reply to was to say all Disco drivers are bells, well clearly that isn't true. But do some people drive big cars because they themselves are a f
king liability on the roads, wither through incompetence or aggression...absolutely. IN a previous job we sold Land / range rovers as well as Hilux pickups and we did have customers buying them because little johnny or Mrs XYZ had crashed three Pugs and Fords into trees / other cars and dad / hubby wanted them to be "safe". Had to bit our lips to not suggest they get some fking driving lessons!! As for this case, that
(and he is a ) was clearly chasing that Mazda and just had absolutely no regard for anyone else. He needs to be locked up for as long as possible, and banned for a very very long time when he comes out. Poor family, dreadful for them. nffcforever said:
Jimmy Recard said:
No, you're just a bell end. As is the man who caused this collision.
The type of car is irrelevant.
How very pleasant of you. No, actually rather aggressive.The type of car is irrelevant.
nffcforever said:
Fairly typical (although obviously an extreme example) of the kind of behaviour drivers of cars like this often seem to think is ok. Tailgating their way around the country with their little fairy lights twinkling away assuming for some reason that everyone is meant to get out of their way, the roads belong to them, and rules, laws and general manners aren't important, so long as they can arrive as soon as physically possible. Utter brainless, selfish, arrogant tools the lot of them.
Mastiff said:
So you think people that drive like that aren't tools? Plus, my comment isn't aimed at anyone specific is it. You could drive a similar car and drive like a saint, then I wouldn't think you are a selfish tool. It's a very simple concept that is weirdly lost on some on here.
Such a sad incident. I feel deeply sorry for the poor girls who will never walk again, and the parents who will have to explain that a selfish bully has caused them life changing injuries.
I cannot believe the audacity of the Land Rover driver denying he was chasing the Mazda driver, despite numerous eye witnesses and video evidence showing his shocking maneuver. After causing such horrific injuries you would think he would show some remorse – it shows what a truly heartless bd he really is.
I don’t want to derail this thread further, but is it really worth arguing over what types of car drivers are the most aggressive now, really? There’s many other threads discussing this subject. I think it’s quite sad that certain people are using this incident to further their agenda. Anyone can drive like a tt in any car, this thread should serve to show what your actions behind the wheel can result in, no matter what you’re driving.
I cannot believe the audacity of the Land Rover driver denying he was chasing the Mazda driver, despite numerous eye witnesses and video evidence showing his shocking maneuver. After causing such horrific injuries you would think he would show some remorse – it shows what a truly heartless b
d he really is.I don’t want to derail this thread further, but is it really worth arguing over what types of car drivers are the most aggressive now, really? There’s many other threads discussing this subject. I think it’s quite sad that certain people are using this incident to further their agenda. Anyone can drive like a t
t in any car, this thread should serve to show what your actions behind the wheel can result in, no matter what you’re driving.CharlieB said:
Shame the lorry two cars in front wasn't heading the other way, never seems to be the case that these types of pond-life meet immediate comeuppance.
Quite. Natural selection at its finest, had that of happened.nffcforever said:
Bradley1500 said:
Quite. Natural selection at its finest, had that of happened.
You don't want to derail it .... But you can't resist having a pop even though all these point have been gone over again and again.
Why are you bothering to reply to everyone if you feel it's going over the same thing over and over again? Please let this stupid arguement die and get back to the original subject of this thread.
untakenname said:
The Mazda driver will have to live with themselves knowing they were partially responsible.
How the fk is the mazda driver "partially responsible"? They may have been caught up in some road rage f
kwittery, but they didnt execute a right turn into the path an oncoming family resulting in the paralysis of two young girls from the waist down...nffcforever said:
So you think people that drive like that aren't tools?
No - I agree entirely that anyone who drives like this is an utter tt - more so when the results of that driving are as terrible as they are on this occasion.nffcforever said:
Plus, my comment isn't aimed at anyone specific is it. You could drive a similar car and drive like a saint, then I wouldn't think you are a selfish tool. It's a very simple concept that is weirdly lost on some on here.
Unfortunately - that's not what your paragraph states.nffcforever said:
Fairly typical (although obviously an extreme example) of the kind of behaviour drivers of cars like this often seem to think is ok. Tailgating their way around the country with their little fairy lights twinkling away assuming for some reason that everyone is meant to get out of their way, the roads belong to them, and rules, laws and general manners aren't important, so long as they can arrive as soon as physically possible. Utter brainless, selfish, arrogant tools the lot of them.
Reads as pretty specific to me.You then compound the statement by branding a poster that calls you out on it "aggressive and [un]pleasant".
The end result of all this is so dreadful that none of the above is of any use to anyone of course - you just put "drivers of cars like these" all in the same boat as "Utter brainless, selfish, arrogant tools the lot of them." And then got all defensive when people disagreed.
Christ, I go out for an hour and a half and you're still at it. I wonder how long it'll be before Godwin's Law comes into play?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
untakenname said:
The Mazda driver will have to live with themselves knowing they were partially responsible.
Out of interest do they know the model of the Mazda, if it was a CX-5 then it would fit with the sort of person I see driving them.
The Mazda driver was entirely blameless and had nothing to do with it whatsoever.Out of interest do they know the model of the Mazda, if it was a CX-5 then it would fit with the sort of person I see driving them.
k-ink said:
You don't generally hear accounts of appalling driving from people in small, classic or slower vehicles. The main reports of reckless people tend to be from those in larger and more powerful vehicles, on the whole. Not always true, but as a generalisation.
You don't generally hear people getting furious about the antics of Morris Minor drivers, or from say Austin minis, classic Beetles, etc. The social stereotype is the thrusting younger to middle aged prat in his fast German car, or sometimes the selfish or oblivious 4x4 driver.
It is not even about money on the whole I would say. It is more about certain types in certain cars. As an example, over the past two years I have noticed the best drivers (by a very long way) were either in McLaren or Ferrari. Not once or twice, but many times. I note this is well away from London out in the sticks, or around the M25. I certainly would not include the Harrods attention seekers in this group.
Let's be objective. Stories of tYou don't generally hear people getting furious about the antics of Morris Minor drivers, or from say Austin minis, classic Beetles, etc. The social stereotype is the thrusting younger to middle aged prat in his fast German car, or sometimes the selfish or oblivious 4x4 driver.
It is not even about money on the whole I would say. It is more about certain types in certain cars. As an example, over the past two years I have noticed the best drivers (by a very long way) were either in McLaren or Ferrari. Not once or twice, but many times. I note this is well away from London out in the sticks, or around the M25. I certainly would not include the Harrods attention seekers in this group.
ts in normal cars don't sell papers to the rage wk community. Stories of tts in expensive cars, mansions do. More rage wk readers means more advertising revenue. Envy and hate sell stories really well. Hence all the abject bike in tabloids to feed the thickos. Mastiff said:
Reads as pretty specific to me.
You then compound the statement by branding a poster that calls you out on it "aggressive and [un]pleasant".
The end result of all this is so dreadful that none of the above is of any use to anyone of course - you just put "drivers of cars like these" all in the same boat as "Utter brainless, selfish, arrogant tools the lot of them." And then got all defensive when people disagreed.
Did I say all drivers ? I said "FAIRLY" typical, "KIND OF BEHAVIOUR", "OFTEN"You then compound the statement by branding a poster that calls you out on it "aggressive and [un]pleasant".
The end result of all this is so dreadful that none of the above is of any use to anyone of course - you just put "drivers of cars like these" all in the same boat as "Utter brainless, selfish, arrogant tools the lot of them." And then got all defensive when people disagreed.
If you want to ignore everything I've said then that's up to you. If you can't comprehend then that's unfortunate.
I don't mind people having a differing opinion, but it is unpleasant and agressive and unnecesary to call a stranger a bell end. I will defend my position in those circumstances.
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