In the news - Jaguar Land Rover Manager - Road Rage Crash

[J4CKO]

SWoll said:

J4CKO said:

No, a car crash and masturbation are not the same, you make a very valid point here, but completely miss the actual point of what I was saying, whilst managing to sound a bit sanctimonious in the process.

The point was, we all drive cars, things can go wrong, this bloke isnt some other species, he is the same as us, we do stuff on the roads like going too quickly and things can go wrong, not necessarily road rage, or knocking one out for that matter, but we can do things that result in the same outcome and we need to think about that when we drive.

But I am guessing you have never exceeded the speed limit, made a dodgy overtake, misjudged a corner etc etc ? but I would definitely check that your webcam is disconnected...

You're making less and less sense.

So one minute it's like being caught having a w**k on webcam, and now it's equivalent to doing 75 on a motorway or entering a corner a little too fast?

Have you actually read the story or seen the footage?

Yes, of course I have read the story, the guy was in the wrong, but I am pointing out that we all do things wrong when driving, perhaps not having massive road rage at other drivers but accidents like this can happen for various reasons so dont get too cocky about your own driving or just see this guy as something that massively different.

[treetops]

We should bring in 10yr / 20yr / life bans

These idiots you see on Police Interceptors being chased for hours and smashing stuff up get a 2 year ban and a slap on the wrist...

This idiot should be banned for life and his assets sequestrated to fund the care that the family will need.

He'll be in for a particularly nasty time inside which will come as a shock to him and a good thing too.

Thoughts with the family.

[audidoody]

N3vins said:

Typical behaviour of the s that drive those cars. Poor children

He was a Land Rover Experience instructor. It wasn't even his car.

I've done the LRE and I was impressed by how quietly professional and calm the instructors are. Mystifying how a pro driver could ever behave like this.

[saaby93]

untakenname said:

She instigated this whole sorry chain of events, if she didn't give him the finger then he wouldn't have got irate and none of this would have happened.

First you have to ask whether she thought giving the aforementioned finger would have led to him doing what he did - it's really stretching third party consequences
and - why did she give him the finger?
and why didnt he just leave it at that?

[RWD cossie wil]

SWoll said:

J4CKO said:

No, a car crash and masturbation are not the same, you make a very valid point here, but completely miss the actual point of what I was saying, whilst managing to sound a bit sanctimonious in the process.

The point was, we all drive cars, things can go wrong, this bloke isnt some other species, he is the same as us, we do stuff on the roads like going too quickly and things can go wrong, not necessarily road rage, or knocking one out for that matter, but we can do things that result in the same outcome and we need to think about that when we drive.

But I am guessing you have never exceeded the speed limit, made a dodgy overtake, misjudged a corner etc etc ? but I would definitely check that your webcam is disconnected...

You're making less and less sense.

So one minute it's like being caught having a w**k on webcam, and now it's equivalent to doing 75 on a motorway or entering a corner a little too fast?

Have you actually read the story or seen the footage?

I think you are being deliberately obtuse to be honest, it's an easy point to get.

Can you put your hand on your heart & say that you have never had a driving moment that was stupid/angry/inattentive/ any other action that left you exposed to a really bad outcome? I would suggest you are lying if you can say in all your years of driving that you have not, either to us or yourself.

The point is that 999 times out of 1000 people get away with it, unfortunately for the family caught up in this guys moment of madness, it was not his lucky day & his bad driving got severely punished..

[lostkiwi]

Police report:
https://www.northants.police.uk/#!/News/28222

[J4CKO]

The roads are full of "these idiots", of course everyone else is a complete liability and we are all beyond reproach, never knowingly do or get anything wrong, ok.

[saaby93]

Cudd Wudd said:

saaby93 said:

Parrot

You might not want to look at p.6 (11.36) or p.7 (11.59)

I thought that might happen when I posted it

[audidoody]

No. Not his "lucky day" would have involved a Boeing 747 falling on his roof. Or a sink hole opening up on the road in front and swallowing him up.

He CHOSE to drive into an oncoming car. Nothing lucky or unlucky about it at all.

[SWoll]

untakenname said:

zarjaz1991 said:

The Mazda driver was entirely blameless and had nothing to do with it whatsoever.

She instigated this whole sorry chain of events, if she didn't give him the finger then he wouldn't have got irate and none of this would have happened.
She will have to live with a lifetime of guilt for what she did,IMO she should be publically named as well.

You're kidding I hope? We are talking about grown adults here, not 5 year olds in a playground. You honestly think that any of his actions are justified by her sticking a finger up?

[anonymous-user]

untakenname said:

Does a driving ban now start from the time the convicted is released from prison?
Remember signing a petition a couple of years back but have heard nothing since.

zarjaz1991 said:

The Mazda driver was entirely blameless and had nothing to do with it whatsoever.

She instigated this whole sorry chain of events, if she didn't give him the finger then he wouldn't have got irate and none of this would have happened.
She will have to live with a lifetime of guilt for what she did,IMO she should be publically named as well.

You are fking kidding.

[RWD cossie wil]

OpulentBob said:

untakenname said:

Does a driving ban now start from the time the convicted is released from prison?
Remember signing a petition a couple of years back but have heard nothing since.

zarjaz1991 said:

The Mazda driver was entirely blameless and had nothing to do with it whatsoever.

She instigated this whole sorry chain of events, if she didn't give him the finger then he wouldn't have got irate and none of this would have happened.
She will have to live with a lifetime of guilt for what she did,IMO she should be publically named as well.

You are fking kidding.

Sounds like the typical nutter who can't let anything go....

[bigbob77]

untakenname said:

She instigated this whole sorry chain of events, if she didn't give him the finger then he wouldn't have got irate and none of this would have happened.
She will have to live with a lifetime of guilt for what she did,IMO she should be publically named as well.

Wow. You sound like a really, really scary driver. I hope nobody I know ever has to share a road with you.

[J4CKO]

RWD cossie wil said:

SWoll said:

J4CKO said:

No, a car crash and masturbation are not the same, you make a very valid point here, but completely miss the actual point of what I was saying, whilst managing to sound a bit sanctimonious in the process.

The point was, we all drive cars, things can go wrong, this bloke isnt some other species, he is the same as us, we do stuff on the roads like going too quickly and things can go wrong, not necessarily road rage, or knocking one out for that matter, but we can do things that result in the same outcome and we need to think about that when we drive.

But I am guessing you have never exceeded the speed limit, made a dodgy overtake, misjudged a corner etc etc ? but I would definitely check that your webcam is disconnected...

You're making less and less sense.

So one minute it's like being caught having a w**k on webcam, and now it's equivalent to doing 75 on a motorway or entering a corner a little too fast?

Have you actually read the story or seen the footage?

I think you are being deliberately obtuse to be honest, it's an easy point to get.

Can you put your hand on your heart & say that you have never had a driving moment that was stupid/angry/inattentive/ any other action that left you exposed to a really bad outcome? I would suggest you are lying if you can say in all your years of driving that you have not, either to us or yourself.

The point is that 999 times out of 1000 people get away with it, unfortunately for the family caught up in this guys moment of madness, it was not his lucky day & his bad driving got severely punished..

Thank you Will, at least someone got it, even if my analogy was a bit unfortunate, that bit followed on from a discussion the other day, the person making the most noise about that subject is a huge consumer of internet porn, which was slightly ironic as I suspect they may have done a similar thing on occasion, but without the webcam on.

Anyway, will shut up about that, it made sense in my head but can understand its probably not an ideal comparison.

[SWoll]

RWD cossie wil said:

SWoll said:

J4CKO said:

No, a car crash and masturbation are not the same, you make a very valid point here, but completely miss the actual point of what I was saying, whilst managing to sound a bit sanctimonious in the process.

The point was, we all drive cars, things can go wrong, this bloke isnt some other species, he is the same as us, we do stuff on the roads like going too quickly and things can go wrong, not necessarily road rage, or knocking one out for that matter, but we can do things that result in the same outcome and we need to think about that when we drive.

But I am guessing you have never exceeded the speed limit, made a dodgy overtake, misjudged a corner etc etc ? but I would definitely check that your webcam is disconnected...

You're making less and less sense.

So one minute it's like being caught having a w**k on webcam, and now it's equivalent to doing 75 on a motorway or entering a corner a little too fast?

Have you actually read the story or seen the footage?

I think you are being deliberately obtuse to be honest, it's an easy point to get.

Can you put your hand on your heart & say that you have never had a driving moment that was stupid/angry/inattentive/ any other action that left you exposed to a really bad outcome? I would suggest you are lying if you can say in all your years of driving that you have not, either to us or yourself.

The point is that 999 times out of 1000 people get away with it, unfortunately for the family caught up in this guys moment of madness, it was not his lucky day & his bad driving got severely punished..

I can put my hand on my heart and state that at no point in 25 years of driving have I ever chased another car through traffic before undertaking another car and dangerously swerving across oncoming traffic due to a bruised ego or temper tantrum yes.

Of course I've driven over the speed limit, lost concentration for a moment or driven a little outside of my talents at times, as I'm sure have 99% of drivers, but none of those things are in any way comparable to this guys actions and if you think they are I'd suggest it's your attitude that's the problem, not mine.

[anonymous-user]

SWoll said:

RWD cossie wil said:

SWoll said:

J4CKO said:

No, a car crash and masturbation are not the same, you make a very valid point here, but completely miss the actual point of what I was saying, whilst managing to sound a bit sanctimonious in the process.

The point was, we all drive cars, things can go wrong, this bloke isnt some other species, he is the same as us, we do stuff on the roads like going too quickly and things can go wrong, not necessarily road rage, or knocking one out for that matter, but we can do things that result in the same outcome and we need to think about that when we drive.

But I am guessing you have never exceeded the speed limit, made a dodgy overtake, misjudged a corner etc etc ? but I would definitely check that your webcam is disconnected...

You're making less and less sense.

So one minute it's like being caught having a w**k on webcam, and now it's equivalent to doing 75 on a motorway or entering a corner a little too fast?

Have you actually read the story or seen the footage?

I think you are being deliberately obtuse to be honest, it's an easy point to get.

Can you put your hand on your heart & say that you have never had a driving moment that was stupid/angry/inattentive/ any other action that left you exposed to a really bad outcome? I would suggest you are lying if you can say in all your years of driving that you have not, either to us or yourself.

The point is that 999 times out of 1000 people get away with it, unfortunately for the family caught up in this guys moment of madness, it was not his lucky day & his bad driving got severely punished..

I can put my hand on my heart and state that at no point in 25 years of driving have I ever chased another car through traffic before undertaking another car and dangerously swerving across oncoming traffic due to a bruised ego or temper tantrum yes.

Of course I've driven over the speed limit, lost concentration for a moment or driven a little outside of my talents at times, as I'm sure have 99% of drivers, but none of those things are in any way comparable to this guys actions and if you think they are I'd suggest it's your attitude that's the problem, not mine.

Guys, I think you're both arguing the same point?? Neither of you is saying something the other disagrees with...

[RWD cossie wil]

SWoll said:

RWD cossie wil said:

SWoll said:

J4CKO said:

No, a car crash and masturbation are not the same, you make a very valid point here, but completely miss the actual point of what I was saying, whilst managing to sound a bit sanctimonious in the process.

The point was, we all drive cars, things can go wrong, this bloke isnt some other species, he is the same as us, we do stuff on the roads like going too quickly and things can go wrong, not necessarily road rage, or knocking one out for that matter, but we can do things that result in the same outcome and we need to think about that when we drive.

But I am guessing you have never exceeded the speed limit, made a dodgy overtake, misjudged a corner etc etc ? but I would definitely check that your webcam is disconnected...

You're making less and less sense.

So one minute it's like being caught having a w**k on webcam, and now it's equivalent to doing 75 on a motorway or entering a corner a little too fast?

Have you actually read the story or seen the footage?

I think you are being deliberately obtuse to be honest, it's an easy point to get.

Can you put your hand on your heart & say that you have never had a driving moment that was stupid/angry/inattentive/ any other action that left you exposed to a really bad outcome? I would suggest you are lying if you can say in all your years of driving that you have not, either to us or yourself.

The point is that 999 times out of 1000 people get away with it, unfortunately for the family caught up in this guys moment of madness, it was not his lucky day & his bad driving got severely punished..

I can put my hand on my heart and state that at no point in 25 years of driving have I ever chased another car through traffic before undertaking another car and dangerously swerving across oncoming traffic due to a bruised ego or temper tantrum yes.

Of course I've driven over the speed limit, lost concentration for a moment or driven a little outside of my talents at times, as I'm sure have 99% of drivers, but none of those things are in any way comparable to this guys actions and if you think they are I'd suggest it's your attitude that's the problem, not mine.

So, that one time you were speeding & driving "a bit outside" your talents, results in exactly the same accident & injuries.... What's the difference?

[Frik]

Maybe not particularly relevant to this case (if anger on the road causes you to behave in a manner that ignores all notions of safe driving, you shouldn't be on the road), but I have a theory that vehicles where you sit higher up, such as large 4x4s and vans do tend to lead to different behaviour due to increased visibility. If you can see further, you can react more quickly and brake later. This can make being stuck behind someone who you perceive to be reacting and travelling more slowly even more frustrating. The key is to recognise the issue and that you're driving a much bigger vehicle which can be much more intimidating to other road users and react accordingly. Especially if you're glued to the arse of the car in front. Calm the fk down and give them space.

[J4CKO]

audidoody said:

No. Not his "lucky day" would have involved a Boeing 747 falling on his roof. Or a sink hole opening up on the road in front and swallowing him up.

He CHOSE to drive into an oncoming car. Nothing lucky or unlucky about it at all.

He chose to carry on with his angry pursuit despite not being able to get across that junction in time, didnt think he deliberately crashed into the Signum, he had just lost all sense of perspective and was entirely fixated on righting this perceived wrong.

I wonder what he had done to the other driver had he caught up with her ?

She has really no case to answer, she couldn't possibly have seen this chain of events coming, however it does make me a bit less enthusiastic about gesturing at, or otherwise antagonising other drivers, some are just prepared to raise the stakes and "win" at any cost.

[wack]

untakenname said:

She instigated this whole sorry chain of events, if she didn't give him the finger then he wouldn't have got irate and none of this would have happened.
She will have to live with a lifetime of guilt for what she did,IMO she should be publically named as well.

Are you being serious , I just watched the full video , he undertook a car, turned right across it at speed to chase down a woman, had it been a much bigger man that him I doubt there would have been a chase at all, the man was a bully, it'd be interesting to hear from anyone who worked under him to see what he was actually like.

My guess is the whole incident was instigated by something he did which caused the woman to give him the finger which led to the tragic injury of the innocent family .

They had no chance, looking at the footage the driver saw a car turn across in front of him, another waiting to turn and a car undertaking , all perfectly normal until the discovery suddenly veers across him.

I did read there are a number of Eastern Europeans in Britain's prisons so I don't expect his time in prison will be pleasant if they discover what he did