In the news - Jaguar Land Rover Manager - Road Rage Crash

[Valgar]

Should be banned for life in my eyes, obviously has numerous issues which should mean he's not fit to pilot a dangerous piece of machinery. And worst of all he had the fking audacity to deny it despite overwhelming evidence.

Sadly he won't get much jail time because the UK justice system is laughable, does anyone know the actual charge? Dangerous driving.

Quote from CPS "In the Crown Court, the maximum penalty is 2 years imprisonment and/or an unlimited fine." Whoopdey fking doo! He'll be out in a year.

Edited by Valgar on Thursday 26th May 22:07

[Jimmy Recard]

nffcforever said:

Fairly typical (although obviously an extreme example) of the kind of behaviour drivers of cars like this often seem to think is ok. Tailgating their way around the country with their little fairy lights twinkling away assuming for some reason that everyone is meant to get out of their way, the roads belong to them, and rules, laws and general manners aren't important, so long as they can arrive as soon as physically possible. Utter brainless, selfish, arrogant tools the lot of them.

No, you're just a bell end. As is the man who caused this collision.

The type of car is irrelevant.

[dvs_dave]

Terribly tragic outcome because of a selfish idiot bully. Deserves the book to be thrown at him.

Although the injuries sustained are rather puzzling. The two little girls were presumably rear seat passengers, and both sustained a lower spinal injury resulting in their paralysis. How does that happen from a head on collision in a fairly modern car? Improper child restraints/booster seats? Curios as I don't want to inadvertently expose my little ones to a similar risk if I can avoid it.

[Artey]

cjs racing. said:

That poor family never stood a chance.

Based on the speed recorded by the dashcam they were doing 57mph right before the moment of impact. With the weight difference it would have been fking savage.

[nffcforever]

Jimmy Recard said:

No, you're just a bell end. As is the man who caused this collision.

The type of car is irrelevant.

How very pleasant of you. No, actually rather aggressive. A Discovery driver by any chance?


Edit to also add that, after re-reading my earlier post, and the offence it caused, I should clarify that "Utter brainless, selfish, arrogant tools the lot of them." was referring to the drivers that assume "for some reason that everyone is meant to get out of their way, the roads belong to them, and rules, laws and general manners aren't important, so long as they can arrive as soon as physically possible", and categorically not to all drivers of "cars like this".

But, I would maintain, that anecdotally, in my experience, drivers of "cars like this" (by which I meant expensive, powerful, prestige etc, and not necessarily SUVs) are more likely to be excessively aggressive in their driving manner. There is probably someone more intelligent than me that has carried out research into the types of personalities that 'typically' drive such cars, and/or the effect that driving such cars can have on the manner of driving.

Anyway, that is all very inconsequential in the scheme of things. As mentioned above, hopefully this sorry episode will make at least one silly little boy think twice before losing his cool and having a temper tantrum at the wheel.

Edited by nffcforever on Thursday 26th May 23:19

[Valgar]

Artey said:

Based on the speed recorded by the dashcam they were doing 57mph right before the moment of impact. With the weight difference it would have been fking savage.

Exactly! Coming to a sudden stop at those speeds will cause serious internal damage, bleeding organ damage etc. It's fortunate they still have their lives.

[Slimbull]

Jimmy Recard said:

nffcforever said:

Fairly typical (although obviously an extreme example) of the kind of behaviour drivers of cars like this often seem to think is ok. Tailgating their way around the country with their little fairy lights twinkling away assuming for some reason that everyone is meant to get out of their way, the roads belong to them, and rules, laws and general manners aren't important, so long as they can arrive as soon as physically possible. Utter brainless, selfish, arrogant tools the lot of them.

No, you're just a bell end. As is the man who caused this collision.

The type of car is irrelevant.

Absolutely.

[nffcforever]

Slimbull said:

Absolutely.

So you don't agree that people that drive around assuming everyone else is meant to get out of their way, the roads belong to them, and rules, laws and general manners aren't important, so long as they can arrive as soon as physically possible are tools then?

[nffcforever]

Slimbull said:

Absolutely.

Or are you suggesting I'm a bell end because, in my experience, drivers of cars that are commonly seen as status symbols tend to be more aggressive? If you don't agree with that, that's obviously okay. I don't think it's really a reason to label me a bell end.

[A.J.M]

nffcforever said:

Slimbull said:

Absolutely.

So you don't agree that people that drive around assuming everyone else is meant to get out of their way, the roads belong to them, and rules, laws and general manners aren't important, so long as they can arrive as soon as physically possible are tools then?

He believes that people who drive like that are tools.

The choice of car they use be it a 4x4 or an Audi A1 isn't the issue.

Trying to tar a whole car segment on the stupidity of one driver is what some people are annoyed at.

This is a good reason why road rage is not worth it. Keeping calm and being the better person wouldn't have seen that poor family suffer in such a horrible and cruel way.

[nffcforever]

A.J.M said:

He believes that people who drive like that are tools.

The choice of car they use be it a 4x4 or an Audi A1 isn't the issue.

Trying to tar a whole car segment on the stupidity of one driver is what some people are annoyed at.

This is a good reason why road rage is not worth it. Keeping calm and being the better person wouldn't have seen that poor family suffer in such a horrible and cruel way.

I appreciate the grown up response on behalf of our fellow 'contributor'; however, I wasn't trying to tar a whole car segment! It's got nothing to do with the car - I agree. It doesn't drive itself after all (yet!). It's the driver isn't it. But, let's get real here, can we honestly say that could just have easily been a driver of a Nissan Note, a Renault Captur or a Peugeot 2008??

Interestingly, it seems some of those who have taken offence have or have previously had a Land Rover of some description. So I understand if they are upset that I don't very much like the look of the fairy lights.

Edited by nffcforever on Thursday 26th May 23:13

[Janesy B]

Absolutely sickening. Should have his licence torn up indefinitely.

[B.J.W]

nffcforever said:

Deerfoot said:

Looked like a case of red mist to me, he was totally focused on chasing the other car.

Fairly typical (although obviously an extreme example) of the kind of behaviour drivers of cars like this often seem to think is ok. Tailgating their way around the country with their little fairy lights twinkling away assuming for some reason that everyone is meant to get out of their way, the roads belong to them, and rules, laws and general manners aren't important, so long as they can arrive as soon as physically possible. Utter brainless, selfish, arrogant tools the lot of them.

NFFC?

Nottingham Forest Football Club?

Football Fans, brainless thugs the lot of them....... ?

Please be assured, that as a driver of a Land Rover Discovery I am as appalled by the actions of this individual as you are!

Stupid generalisations such as this serve only to dilute what should be a sobering lesson to 'all' of us!

[A.J.M]

nffcforever said:

A.J.M said:

He believes that people who drive like that are tools.

The choice of car they use be it a 4x4 or an Audi A1 isn't the issue.

Trying to tar a whole car segment on the stupidity of one driver is what some people are annoyed at.

This is a good reason why road rage is not worth it. Keeping calm and being the better person wouldn't have seen that poor family suffer in such a horrible and cruel way.

I appreciate the grown up response on behalf of our fellow 'contributor'; however, I wasn't trying to tar a whole car segment! It's got nothing to do with the car - I agree. It doesn't drive itself after all (yet!). It's the driver isn't it. But, let's get real here, can we honestly say that could just have easily been a driver of a Nissan Note, a Renault Captur or a Peugeot 2008??

Interestingly, it seems some of those who have taken offence have or have previously had a Land Rover of some description. So I understand if they are upset that I don't very much like the look of the fairy lights.

Edited by nffcforever on Thursday 26th May 23:13

From the various links on the dash cam video's. Yes i personally do think it could be any driver in any car.
You see it on that thread, any random car can be driven by a tt and cause damage/injury etc.

My view is the drivers an arse, he should have been the better man and let what happened go.
Chasing down a car is something out of Hollywood, what was he going to do to the driver once he had caught them?
Beat them up, hammer frozen sausages into them.
He will go to jail for hopefully a long time.

Some people have been here long enough to see various anti 4x4 threads kick off, they come along every few months, the best i saw ran to over 15 pages on 80 posts per page set up.
Your original wording before the edit, did have a heavy tone of anti 4x4 stereotyping in it, wither deliberate or not.

I'm not picking the fight with you, just saying what tone i felt your post was giving off.

[greygoose]

littlebasher said:

Hope the fker rots in jail

Weapons grade bell end

Indeed, he should spend the rest of his life paying half his wages to those girls for their care.

[nffcforever]

1. Not anti 4x4; didn't mention 4x4 or SUV or similar.

2. I've explained what I meant by "cars like this". I've reposted it twice already.

3. I didn't say "all" or "every" or "you in your twinkly lit Discovery tree".

4. A lot of football fans are thugs. Most aren't. Quite a lot of drivers of "cars like this" drive like tools. Most don't. More do than drivers of cars like a Nissan Note.

5. It's not personal. I don't dislike "cars like this". I just wish more could.be driven properly. I'm not judging anyone's driving individually.

6. I really don't like the fairy lights, especially from 4ft away.

Edited by nffcforever on Thursday 26th May 23:51

[davamer23]

Totally horrific ordeal for the poor victims, the Discovery driver should be banned for life but then again that'd probably infringe on his "human rights" or some other such bks.

[krarkol]

How did he have the audacity to deny it with all that evidence?

If I'd been so stupid to make a move like that, I'd currently be a blubbering wreck doing what it takes to seek forgiveness from that family.

[TheJimi]

nffcforever said:

4. A lot of football fans are thugs. Most aren't. Quite a lot of drivers of "cars like this" drive like tools. Most don't. More do than drivers of cars like a Nissan Note.

Unless you can point me towards peer-reviewed, unbiased research that supports this suggestion, I'm going to make a suggestion of my own; you're talking complete ste.

I've seen aggressive driving from all manner of vehicles on the road. I genuinely couldn't even begin to draw correlations between the type of car driven and the propensity of that type to being driven by aggressive people.

[saaby93]

TheJimi said:

I've seen aggressive driving from all manner of vehicles on the road. I genuinely couldn't even begin to draw correlations between the type of car driven and the propensity of that type to being driven by aggressive people.

It is possible statistically that a particular type of driver buys a particular type of car
The converse inst true that everyone who buys that type of car is that type of driver

Insurance accident stats are similar and why we've previously discussed relatively high premium for say a 17 year in a Corsa but relatively low in say a Passat.