In the news - Jaguar Land Rover Manager - Road Rage Crash

[nffcforever]

k-ink said:

The research links are not a shock to anyone who has decades of driving experience. No, not everyone is the same. There are always plenty of exceptions to any rule. Yet it is still possible to notice stereotypes: the sort of people who cut in front, agressively undertake, never pull in, tail gate etc. In very broad brush strokes it is why certain vehicle drivers don't enjoy a wonderful motoring image, rightly or wrongly. These include all sorts, but the typical candidates would include white van drivers, German cars, 4x4s. Perhaps these sort of vehicles tend to be used by those in a rush more frequently. Who knows.

ps

Can you imagine some of the researchers looking for backing at a meeting? "I have an idea that BMW drivers are tossers. Can we research this more thoroughly?"

I think it likely that if you are driving 'this kind of vehicle' you are probably less likely to be a "victim" of others driving similar vehicles. i.e. They perhaps act more aggresibleyly, subconsciously or otherwise, towards smaller or "inferior" vehicles. Perhaps this could be partly why some don't recognise what you are saying and what I've said.

Edited by nffcforever on Friday 27th May 17:18

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Pat H said:

One depressing aspect of this case is that the offender isn't a young lad.

He is a middle aged bloke who ought to have been able to control his temper. That he was a driving instructor (of sorts) makes the whole thing even more astonishing.

I encounter lots of criminals as a result of my line of work. Many of them are complete nutters. The thought that plenty of them are also motorists is terrifying.

These days, I tend to assume that all other motorists are either out to kill me, are off their tits on coke or are uninsured, regardless of whether they are driving a Discovery bedecked with fairy lights or a battered Picasso with no wheel trims.

What a really sad case.

I thought a similar thing. I've found I drive fair more calmly and considerately than I did as a younger man as like most I've mellowed with age. I guess unfortunately some people remain inconsiderate, aggressive a******s whatever age they are.

I also assume the same thing about other drivers, it's far safer that way.

[nffcforever]

SWoll said:

I thought a similar thing. I've found I drive fair more calmly and considerately than I did as a younger man as like most I've mellowed with age. I guess unfortunately some people remain inconsiderate, aggressive a******s whatever age they are.

I also assume the same thing about other drivers, it's far safer that way.

Agreed. His age, position, career, employer etc makes his actions even more astounding really. Utterly crazy behaviour. Deranged.

[k-ink]

People certainly treat you differently depending upon which car you drive. I know as I spent some time running polar opposite cars on various occasions over the years. As I have not changed myself, this tells me more about how others must think, according to some sort of weird car status logic.

[ManOpener]

saaby93 said:

Swanny87 said:

Good point, didn't even consider that! It would all start to get a bit 1984 if you policed that...

not far off
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershi...
It is 2016 last time I looked so we've held out so far

As an aside, the 30MPH limit in Rodborough is fking idiotic.
Largely down to incompetent arses driving into cattle. Perfectly safe, wide road if you're actually paying attention to where you're going.

[SWoll]

nffcforever said:

SWoll said:

I thought a similar thing. I've found I drive fair more calmly and considerately than I did as a younger man as like most I've mellowed with age. I guess unfortunately some people remain inconsiderate, aggressive a******s whatever age they are.

I also assume the same thing about other drivers, it's far safer that way.

Agreed. His age, position, career, employer etc makes his actions even more astounding really. Utterly crazy behaviour. Deranged.

As I said above there are aggressive, inconsiderate c***s in every walk of life. You'd just think even if with no thought for anyone else with the amount he had to lose a little self preservation would at least come into his decision making. Unfortunately for the girls, it didn't.

[Poshbury]

And his sentence is, four and a half years.

[Pat H]

Poshbury said:

And his sentence is, four and a half years.

Bloody Hell.

You are so slow off the mark that the offender is probably already out on parole.

[nffcforever]

k-ink said:

People certainly treat you differently depending upon which car you drive. I know as I spent some time running polar opposite cars on various occasions over the years. As I have not changed myself, this tells me more about how others must think, according to some sort of weird car status logic.

Maybe with some. Maybe with others they anticipate a certain behaviour based on past experiences.

I can't recall ever being tailgated by grandma in her Nissan Note for example.

[Muzzer79]

nffcforever said:

Before anyone gets offended, I'm not suggesting or claiming these are evidence of anything, nor I am picking on 4x4s, SUVs, BMWs or anything else; but I think they are interesting in the context of the discussion and the opinions voiced. Anything in these links which you take as criticism of you or your car is not directed at you personally.

I'll also reiterate my utter sympathy for the affected families (including the offender's family). By discussing other aspects such as this I'm not diminishing the impact of this or disrespecting anyone or anything. So please don't get your knickers twisted and if you do, go and have a beer in the sun!

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2011/10/ag...

http://www.bankrate.com/financing/cars/study-bmw-d...

http://www.drdriving.org/surveys/interpretations.h...

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/56524/suv-drivers...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread313152/p...

Edited by nffcforever on Friday 27th May 14:09

So, what's your point?

People who drive SUV's/BMWs should be banned?

or

SUV's/BMWs should be banned?

?

[VolvoT5]

J4CKO said:

No, a car crash and masturbation are not the same, you make a very valid point here, but completely miss the actual point of what I was saying, whilst managing to sound a bit sanctimonious in the process.

The point was, we all drive cars, things can go wrong, this bloke isnt some other species, he is the same as us, we do stuff on the roads like going too quickly and things can go wrong, not necessarily road rage, or knocking one out for that matter, but we can do things that result in the same outcome and we need to think about that when we drive.

But I am guessing you have never exceeded the speed limit, made a dodgy overtake, misjudged a corner etc etc ? but I would definitely check that your webcam is disconnected...

I think I get what you are saying but I don't think your analogy works or is in good taste really. Having a wk, even if accidentally broadcast worldwide, isn't going to harm anyone.

He didn't make a iffy overtake or misjudge the speed of a car when pulling out of a junction, he totally lost control of his emotions and drove aggressively and dangerously for a significant period of time ruining the life of an entire family. He then went on to try and lie his way out of taking responsibility which I would say is not the way an 'innocent' person who had just made a genuine mistake would behave.

Yes we all make mistakes but there are levels of mistake. His driving fell well below the standard an average person would consider acceptable. It is nice to see he got pretty much the maximum sentence the judge was allowed to give, although it wont restore the lives of those he has crippled.

[nffcforever]

Muzzer79 said:

So, what's your point?

People who drive SUV's/BMWs should be banned?

or

SUV's/BMWs should be banned?

?

Erm, option (C): everyone should drive "properly" and not like a tool.

[Wills2]

J4CKO said:

however it does make me a bit less enthusiastic about gesturing at, or otherwise antagonising other drivers, some are just prepared to raise the stakes and "win" at any cost.

Why are you even slightly enthusiastic about doing that? If you walked down the street would you gesture at and antagonise passers by? ?

Weird how when people get in each others way, it turns into a apology feast, I'm sorry, No I'm sorry, After you, No after you I insist etc....

But get in a car.....

[guru_1071]

Shy Torque said:

In addition, JLR's insurers are not admitting liability and quibbling about the cost of the children's treatment, although they have made an interim payment.

Edited by Shy Torque on Friday 27th May 12:09

JLR should be ashamed about this

[nffcforever]

Wills2 said:

Why are you even slightly enthusiastic about doing that? If you walked down the street would you gesture at and antagonise passers by? ?

Weird how when people get in each others way, it turns into a apology feast, I'm sorry, No I'm sorry, After you, No after you I insist etc....

But get in a car.....

Often not like that on the tube.

I think he meant he'd think harder before allowing his frustration get the better of him and gesturing etc. I don't think he meant that he goes out looking to antagonise, and now will still do, only with less enthusiasm. I think it's fairly clear he meant that. Seems a common problem on forums where people like to purposefully take the wrong end of the end of stick and run with it.

If I'm mistaken and he genuinely gets enthused about the thought of gesturing and antangonising then I defer, and he's a tool. But I doubt that's the case.

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guru_1071 said:

Shy Torque said:

In addition, JLR's insurers are not admitting liability and quibbling about the cost of the children's treatment, although they have made an interim payment.

Edited by Shy Torque on Friday 27th May 12:09

JLR should be ashamed about this

I think it's a little unfair to blame JLR. It's their insurers who are quibbling, not them.

[Jockman]

Countdown said:

guru_1071 said:

Shy Torque said:

In addition, JLR's insurers are not admitting liability and quibbling about the cost of the children's treatment, although they have made an interim payment.

Edited by Shy Torque on Friday 27th May 12:09

JLR should be ashamed about this

I think it's a little unfair to blame JLR. It's their insurers who are quibbling, not them.

Indeed. Insurers will always fight their corner.

[DonkeyApple]

JasperT said:

Axionknight said:

He shouldn't be allowed to drive again, imo.

He should be restricted to insurance group 1 cars only for life in my opinion Much more humiliating!

That's a very good point. Restricting anyone who has been banned to the lowest group would seem a very sensible course of action. They have served their time and should be free to return to society and earn a living and pay tax but I can't imagine anyone arguing that such people need anything other than the most rudimentary car in which to move about in society with.

[MrBarry123]

It was a tragic accident and I feel desperately sorry for the two little girls (and their family) involved but it was just that, an accident - a terrible error of judgement by the Discovery driver when he wasn't thinking coherently. He absolutely acted in an unacceptable manner and the custodial sentence is justified however I can't agree with those on here who are calling for him to suffer forms of intolerable hardship.

[fido]

MrBarry123 said:

He absolutely acted in an unacceptable manner and the custodial sentence is justified however I can't agree with those on here who are calling for him to suffer forms of intolerable hardship.

Nope, just saying he should be banned from driving for life. Just seen the video, the inside overtake and immediate right-turn is absolutely reckless ..