In the news - Jaguar Land Rover Manager - Road Rage Crash
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Ari said:
Yeah, I deleted it. Couldn't quite believe someone was agreeing with him so misread it! 
An accident - FFS.
Whoops, accidentally tried to chase down a woman in a Mazda, accidentally swerved round the inside of a car waiting to turn right, accidentally charged headlong into a car coming the other way - hey, we've all done it, easy mistake to make.
Unbeliveable.
Let me edit for you: An accident - FFS.
Whoops, accidentally tried to chase down a woman in a Mazda, accidentally swerved round the inside of a car waiting to turn right, accidentally charged headlong into a car coming the other way - hey, we've all done it, easy mistake to make.
Unbeliveable.
Intentionally chased down a woman in a Mazda, intentionally swerved round the inside of a car waiting to turn right, intentionally turned right with utter abandon and without knowing what was coming, ACCIDENTALLY charged headlong into a car coming the other way...
SWoll said:
Not suggested it is. But would you say that a couple of years in prison and a 4 year driving ban is 'justice'? I'm not suggesting some of the more nasty stuff on here is appropriate, I just hope his stay isn't a comfortable one and that life is particularly hard for him when he does eventually get out.
I don't disagree here.I haven't said his punishment is suitable, just that the more extreme suggestions made aren't.
MrBarry123 said:
SWoll said:
Not suggested it is. But would you say that a couple of years in prison and a 4 year driving ban is 'justice'? I'm not suggesting some of the more nasty stuff on here is appropriate, I just hope his stay isn't a comfortable one and that life is particularly hard for him when he does eventually get out.
I don't disagree here.I haven't said his punishment is suitable, just that the more extreme suggestions made aren't.
If this road rage weapon was in a little Micra or similar tiny car, do you think he would have driven so furiously without due care to others? I suspect he may have felt less intimidating and less invincible and perhaps might have been far less pushy. Or do you think the car made no difference to his style of progress? To take it to extremes, if he were in a Sinclair C5, or on a push bike he wouldn't / couldn't have acted in this agressive manner.
k-ink said:
If this road rage weapon was in a little Micra or similar tiny car, do you think he would have driven so furiously without due care to others? I suspect he may have felt less intimidating and less invincible and perhaps might have been far less pushy. Or do you think the car made no difference to his style of progress? To take it to extremes, if he were in a Sinclair C5, or on a push bike he wouldn't / couldn't have acted in this agressive manner.
Tread carefully....nffcforever said:
Ari said:
Yeah, I deleted it. Couldn't quite believe someone was agreeing with him so misread it!
An accident - FFS.
Whoops, accidentally tried to chase down a woman in a Mazda, accidentally swerved round the inside of a car waiting to turn right, accidentally charged headlong into a car coming the other way - hey, we've all done it, easy mistake to make.
Unbeliveable.
Let me edit for you: An accident - FFS.
Whoops, accidentally tried to chase down a woman in a Mazda, accidentally swerved round the inside of a car waiting to turn right, accidentally charged headlong into a car coming the other way - hey, we've all done it, easy mistake to make.
Unbeliveable.
Intentionally chased down a woman in a Mazda, intentionally swerved round the inside of a car waiting to turn right, intentionally turned right with utter abandon and without knowing what was coming, ACCIDENTALLY charged headlong into a car coming the other way...
They went wrong in an absolutely appalling way, but there is NO way you could call what he did an accident - he drove incredibly recklessly entirely deliberately.
Bit like firing a gun in a busy place. You might not aim it at someone and you might argue that you didn't mean to shoot anyone. But to suggest it's an 'accident' if you did is absurd.
Ari said:
Yes, precisely. His actions were entirely and wholly intentional.
They went wrong in an absolutely appalling way, but there is NO way you could call what he did an accident - he drove incredibly recklessly entirely deliberately.
Bit like firing a gun in a busy place. You might not aim it at someone and you might argue that you didn't mean to shoot anyone. But to suggest it's an 'accident' if you did is absurd.
No, no, no! His actions were not ENTIRELY and WHOLLY intentional!!They went wrong in an absolutely appalling way, but there is NO way you could call what he did an accident - he drove incredibly recklessly entirely deliberately.
Bit like firing a gun in a busy place. You might not aim it at someone and you might argue that you didn't mean to shoot anyone. But to suggest it's an 'accident' if you did is absurd.
He did not intend to hit the car. That would be seriously crazy.
I hope you never ever get called up for jury service.
My reference to it being an accident isn't his actions, obviously he meant to drive the car as he did. It is the result of his actions which were not intended - hence my manslaughter/murder comparison.
I fear if those two girls had died, some on here would be appealling for him to be charged with murder.
It's a bit unfortunate that it needs clarifying but I'm very much not "on the side" of the Discovery driver.
I fear if those two girls had died, some on here would be appealling for him to be charged with murder.
It's a bit unfortunate that it needs clarifying but I'm very much not "on the side" of the Discovery driver.
nffcforever said:
k-ink said:
I am trying NOT to re-start the anti 4x4 thing. But am interested in the general large car v tiny car situation...
Last time I'll mention this point, but I never singled out 4x4s - although I note you have not so long ago..!
nffcforever said:
Ari said:
Yes, precisely. His actions were entirely and wholly intentional.
They went wrong in an absolutely appalling way, but there is NO way you could call what he did an accident - he drove incredibly recklessly entirely deliberately.
Bit like firing a gun in a busy place. You might not aim it at someone and you might argue that you didn't mean to shoot anyone. But to suggest it's an 'accident' if you did is absurd.
No, no, no! His actions were not ENTIRELY and WHOLLY intentional!!They went wrong in an absolutely appalling way, but there is NO way you could call what he did an accident - he drove incredibly recklessly entirely deliberately.
Bit like firing a gun in a busy place. You might not aim it at someone and you might argue that you didn't mean to shoot anyone. But to suggest it's an 'accident' if you did is absurd.
He did not intend to hit the car. That would be seriously crazy.
I hope you never ever get called up for jury service.
Edited by SWoll on Friday 27th May 18:04
The longer or more times you continue to do anything crazy, the much higher the chances of something going completely wrong become. Carry on for long enough and the likihood of disaster approaches a certainty. That is the issue here. It wasn't a single isolated split second event. It was part of an unfolding and escalating drawn out series of events.
MrBarry123 said:
My reference to it being an accident isn't his actions, obviously he meant to drive the car as he did. It is the result of his actions which were not intended - hence my manslaughter/murder comparison.
I fear if those two girls had died, some on here would be appealling for him to be charged with murder.
It's a bit unfortunate that it needs clarifying but I'm very much not "on the side" of the Discovery driver.
Precisely.I fear if those two girls had died, some on here would be appealling for him to be charged with murder.
It's a bit unfortunate that it needs clarifying but I'm very much not "on the side" of the Discovery driver.
This is the terrifying things about jury's (I've been on two).
A.J.M said:
This is a good reason why road rage is not worth it. Keeping calm and being the better person wouldn't have seen that poor family suffer in such a horrible and cruel way.
The way you've phrased it makes it seem like you think the guy chose to get so angry. He clearly has anger issues however he's also acting like a normal human being.The guy is clearly a complete and utter thunder
and deserves to rot in jail but road rage is a natural thing. It's in our primal instincts to get mad when we're held up from whatever we need to do, inconveniences are treated with signals from the brain telling us to get pent up and frustrated.Saying 'keep calm and be the better person' is all well and good but everyone gets the red mist at some point, over absolutely anything.
Doesn't make what happened any less tragic but it's obviously not as simple as you've made out.
nffcforever said:
SWoll said:
Doesn't matter now. You'll forever be referred to as 'notorious 4x4 hater nffcforever'.
Well, I don't like 4x4s as it happens so that is perfectly fair. Notoriety I'm not se keen on, but, hey ho.It's entirely natural and I understand those with that opinion. I don't hold it against them.
k-ink said:
I am trying NOT to re-start the anti 4x4 thing. But am interested in the general large car v tiny car situation...
There does seem to be some (I don't claim highly credible etc) scientific basis for a suggestion that the type of car (or more specifically the relationship between type of car / type of personality) does have an effect on driving style / manner. Clearly, many on here don't like the suggestion and seem to take it personally, for whatever reason.For the record I quite like some off roaders, such as the G wagen. I also like the RS6 and various BMW M models. What I am not a huge fan of is *some* of their owners, judging by how some are driven around me. I would consider owning all of them, if I had a specific use for them which they suited. But if I bought one, I would be doing so knowing the baggage they come with (how others see and judge you in a certain light - rightly or wrongly).
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