In the news - Jaguar Land Rover Manager - Road Rage Crash
Discussion
SWoll said:
Indeed. He's only paralysed a couple of young girls and removed any chance of them living a normal life from here onwards along with the massive strain that will now be put on their parents raising them. Let's hope he spends a nice quiet couple of years in nick and is let out to get on with his life as best he can.
You are aware of how ironic using the term 'intolerable hardship' is when describing his suffering aren't you?
You're getting confused between what his punishment actually will be (not intolerable) and what some posters have suggested they would like to do, or would like to have happen, to him (including rape, for example).You are aware of how ironic using the term 'intolerable hardship' is when describing his suffering aren't you?
Ari said:
Yeah, I deleted it. Couldn't quite believe someone was agreeing with him so misread it! 
An accident - FFS.
Whoops, accidentally tried to chase down a woman in a Mazda, accidentally swerved round the inside of a car waiting to turn right, accidentally charged headlong into a car coming the other way - hey, we've all done it, easy mistake to make.
Unbeliveable.
Let me edit for you: An accident - FFS.
Whoops, accidentally tried to chase down a woman in a Mazda, accidentally swerved round the inside of a car waiting to turn right, accidentally charged headlong into a car coming the other way - hey, we've all done it, easy mistake to make.
Unbeliveable.
Intentionally chased down a woman in a Mazda, intentionally swerved round the inside of a car waiting to turn right, intentionally turned right with utter abandon and without knowing what was coming, ACCIDENTALLY charged headlong into a car coming the other way...
k-ink said:
If this road rage weapon was in a little Micra or similar tiny car, do you think he would have driven so furiously without due care to others? I suspect he may have felt less intimidating and less invincible and perhaps might have been far less pushy. Or do you think the car made no difference to his style of progress? To take it to extremes, if he were in a Sinclair C5, or on a push bike he wouldn't / couldn't have acted in this agressive manner.
Tread carefully....Ari said:
Yes, precisely. His actions were entirely and wholly intentional.
They went wrong in an absolutely appalling way, but there is NO way you could call what he did an accident - he drove incredibly recklessly entirely deliberately.
Bit like firing a gun in a busy place. You might not aim it at someone and you might argue that you didn't mean to shoot anyone. But to suggest it's an 'accident' if you did is absurd.
No, no, no! His actions were not ENTIRELY and WHOLLY intentional!!They went wrong in an absolutely appalling way, but there is NO way you could call what he did an accident - he drove incredibly recklessly entirely deliberately.
Bit like firing a gun in a busy place. You might not aim it at someone and you might argue that you didn't mean to shoot anyone. But to suggest it's an 'accident' if you did is absurd.
He did not intend to hit the car. That would be seriously crazy.
I hope you never ever get called up for jury service.
MrBarry123 said:
My reference to it being an accident isn't his actions, obviously he meant to drive the car as he did. It is the result of his actions which were not intended - hence my manslaughter/murder comparison.
I fear if those two girls had died, some on here would be appealling for him to be charged with murder.
It's a bit unfortunate that it needs clarifying but I'm very much not "on the side" of the Discovery driver.
Precisely.I fear if those two girls had died, some on here would be appealling for him to be charged with murder.
It's a bit unfortunate that it needs clarifying but I'm very much not "on the side" of the Discovery driver.
This is the terrifying things about jury's (I've been on two).
k-ink said:
I am trying NOT to re-start the anti 4x4 thing. But am interested in the general large car v tiny car situation...
There does seem to be some (I don't claim highly credible etc) scientific basis for a suggestion that the type of car (or more specifically the relationship between type of car / type of personality) does have an effect on driving style / manner. Clearly, many on here don't like the suggestion and seem to take it personally, for whatever reason.SWoll said:
If this was the USA and that had been the outcome he'd possibly have been charged with for what they call "Depraved Heart Murder", and I'm not sure I'd disagree TBH.
In United States law, depraved-heart murder, also known as depraved-indifference murder, is an action where a defendant acts with a "depraved indifference" to human life and where such act results in a death. In a depraved-heart murder, defendants commit an act even though they know their act runs an unusually high risk of causing death or serious bodily harm to someone else. If the risk of death or bodily harm is great enough, ignoring it demonstrates a "depraved indifference" to human life and the resulting death is considered to have been committed with malice aforethought.[1][2] In some states, depraved-heart killings constitute second-degree murder,[3] while in others, the act would be charged with varying degrees of manslaughter.
Except no death resulted in this case.In United States law, depraved-heart murder, also known as depraved-indifference murder, is an action where a defendant acts with a "depraved indifference" to human life and where such act results in a death. In a depraved-heart murder, defendants commit an act even though they know their act runs an unusually high risk of causing death or serious bodily harm to someone else. If the risk of death or bodily harm is great enough, ignoring it demonstrates a "depraved indifference" to human life and the resulting death is considered to have been committed with malice aforethought.[1][2] In some states, depraved-heart killings constitute second-degree murder,[3] while in others, the act would be charged with varying degrees of manslaughter.
deadslow said:
He drove so negligently that the consequences were foreseeable. He ought to be inside for at least 10years.
I don't disagree with that. The act of hitting the car was an accident though, in layman terms. There is very possibly some other legal interpretation of when an accident becomes something else. b
hstewie said:
hstewie said: I don't really get why all the news stories seem to centre on him working for Jaguar Land Rover rather than simply "dhead sees red mist"? 
Because he instructed driving (albeit off-road) for a living and that makes his actions even more incredible. Most similar news stories I've seen also report the occupation of the offender.head sees red mist"? ThunderGuts said:
I wonder which plays on his mind more.
Crippling the two girls.
Or
A bit of hardship for his family and that his career and way of providing is up the swanny.
Obviously no way of knowing, but if there was I'd honestly wager no.2.Crippling the two girls.
Or
A bit of hardship for his family and that his career and way of providing is up the swanny.
Edited by ThunderGuts on Friday 27th May 18:18
Just thought I'd Google Pistonheads road presence as it just popped into my head that "road presence" is a term car reviewers and drivers sometimes use to describe particular types of car.
To be honest, a lot of the noises made in the thread that Google threw back kind of reflect quite nicely what I'm getting at.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=984...
Is it possible that some drivers of cars with "road presence" get accustomed to people complying and moving out of their way, such that when they encounter someone in a car with less road presence, and the superior road presence of their vehicle doesn't have the desired effect, then *some of them* *might* *sometimes* get a bit miffed?
To be honest, a lot of the noises made in the thread that Google threw back kind of reflect quite nicely what I'm getting at.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=984...
Is it possible that some drivers of cars with "road presence" get accustomed to people complying and moving out of their way, such that when they encounter someone in a car with less road presence, and the superior road presence of their vehicle doesn't have the desired effect, then *some of them* *might* *sometimes* get a bit miffed?
Edited by nffcforever on Friday 27th May 19:00
Edited by nffcforever on Friday 27th May 19:01
DonkeyApple said:
We've all seen those mental blokes in their wife's small car driving like aggressive lunatics.
I think that there is just a significant proportion of unstable men with anger and inferiority issues in the UK. I don't actually think what car they drive is relevant.
I do think that people are more prone to noticing this behaviour when it is done by people who are a certain colour or drive a certain type of car etc. I think that is just natural human behaviour.
I haven't seen those blokes. I think that there is just a significant proportion of unstable men with anger and inferiority issues in the UK. I don't actually think what car they drive is relevant.
I do think that people are more prone to noticing this behaviour when it is done by people who are a certain colour or drive a certain type of car etc. I think that is just natural human behaviour.
Ari said:
Precisely this. 
Not sure why it's so hard to understand. There's a massive difference between (for example) hitting a patch of spilt diesel and coming off the road (an accident, even if it could be argued that you should have seen it or should have been driving at a speed to allow for such things) and driving so ferociously aggressively that there is a very real chance that you are going to have a very serious coming together with another road user.
The latter is not something you do 'accidentally'.
I did respond to that post saying I agreed with it essentially. But fact is, in layman terms, he didn't set out intentionally to hit the car. That part of it was unintended. Not sure why it's so hard to understand. There's a massive difference between (for example) hitting a patch of spilt diesel and coming off the road (an accident, even if it could be argued that you should have seen it or should have been driving at a speed to allow for such things) and driving so ferociously aggressively that there is a very real chance that you are going to have a very serious coming together with another road user.
The latter is not something you do 'accidentally'.
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