In the news - Jaguar Land Rover Manager - Road Rage Crash
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Absolutely terrifying footage and my sympathies got to the family.
Disco man deserves everything her gets for this!
Wonder what difference it would have made to the case if there was no on-board footage though? What story could a fancy defence lawyer spun?
Busy road, plenty of witnesses, hopefully it wouldn't have made any difference what-so-ever.
Disco man deserves everything her gets for this!
Wonder what difference it would have made to the case if there was no on-board footage though? What story could a fancy defence lawyer spun?
Busy road, plenty of witnesses, hopefully it wouldn't have made any difference what-so-ever.
Mafffew said:
Driver is a knob, should be shot etc.
Plenty of knobbers in plenty of different cars. The stereotype of flash car/t
t driver is nonsense created by morons and those with an inferiority complex. All good fun when said in jest/banter though.
Any evidence of that, or just your opinion? I can assure you I don't feel inferior. Plenty of knobbers in plenty of different cars. The stereotype of flash car/t
t driver is nonsense created by morons and those with an inferiority complex. All good fun when said in jest/banter though. Mafffew said:
Driver is a knob, should be shot etc.
Plenty of knobbers in plenty of different cars. The stereotype of flash car/tt driver is nonsense created by morons and those with an inferiority complex. All good fun when said in jest/banter though.
Just for example: http://usa.streetsblog.org/2013/07/16/study-wealth...Plenty of knobbers in plenty of different cars. The stereotype of flash car/t
t driver is nonsense created by morons and those with an inferiority complex. All good fun when said in jest/banter though. I've got a little car with 70hp, a medium car with 200hp, and a big car (a 4x4) with 350hp. I drive the same in all of them, albeit at higher speeds in the more powerful ones.
Which is why OP's musings make little sense.
Aggressive people drive aggressively - I've seen utterly mental behaviour from a middle-aged guy in an old Punto - and that's really all there is to it. In this road rage case, it was a JLR company car anyway, so it may not have been the car he'd necessarily have chosen.
Which is why OP's musings make little sense.
Aggressive people drive aggressively - I've seen utterly mental behaviour from a middle-aged guy in an old Punto - and that's really all there is to it. In this road rage case, it was a JLR company car anyway, so it may not have been the car he'd necessarily have chosen.
longblackcoat said:
I've got a little car with 70hp, a medium car with 200hp, and a big car (a 4x4) with 350hp. I drive the same in all of them, albeit at higher speeds in the more powerful ones.
Which is why OP's musings make little sense.
Aggressive people drive aggressively - I've seen utterly mental behaviour from a middle-aged guy in an old Punto - and that's really all there is to it. In this road rage case, it was a JLR company car anyway, so it may not have been the car he'd necessarily have chosen.
Some people ought to read what the OP actually said, rather than turning it around backwards and claiming he said something he didn'tWhich is why OP's musings make little sense.
Aggressive people drive aggressively - I've seen utterly mental behaviour from a middle-aged guy in an old Punto - and that's really all there is to it. In this road rage case, it was a JLR company car anyway, so it may not have been the car he'd necessarily have chosen.
It's like a poster saying all vegetarians only eat vegetables
Then another poster calling him a numpty because they think he said vegetables are only eaten by vegetarians
Which one is the real numpty
Edited by saaby93 on Friday 27th May 09:12
longblackcoat said:
I've got a little car with 70hp, a medium car with 200hp, and a big car (a 4x4) with 350hp. I drive the same in all of them, albeit at higher speeds in the more powerful ones.
Which is why OP's musings make little sense.
Aggressive people drive aggressively - I've seen utterly mental behaviour from a middle-aged guy in an old Punto - and that's really all there is to it. In this road rage case, it was a JLR company car anyway, so it may not have been the car he'd necessarily have chosen.
That'a good and I wish all were the same but you're essentially a sample size of one.Which is why OP's musings make little sense.
Aggressive people drive aggressively - I've seen utterly mental behaviour from a middle-aged guy in an old Punto - and that's really all there is to it. In this road rage case, it was a JLR company car anyway, so it may not have been the car he'd necessarily have chosen.
This relates to a more scientific study:
http://www.roadsafetygb.org.uk/news/4530.html
Research carried out by social psychologists from the London School of Economics and Political Science (LSE) has revealed seven driving personalities, based on how drivers deal with their own feelings and their uncertainty as to the behaviour of other road users.
The findings are part of an ongoing study on the social psychology of road safety conducted jointly by LSE and the tyre manufacturer Goodyear.
Through a combination of focus groups and in-depth interviews with European drivers, the researchers identified the following seven personalities which frequently manifest themselves:
• The Teacher: needs to make sure other drivers know what they have done wrong and expects recognition of his/her efforts to teach others.
• The Know-it-all: thinks he/she is surrounded by incompetent fools and contents themselves with shouting condescendingly at other drivers while being protected in their own car.
• The Competitor: needs to get ahead of all other drivers and is annoyed when someone gets in the way of that. He/she might accelerate when someone tries to overtake them or close a gap to prevent anyone from getting in front of them.
• The Punisher: wants to punish other drivers for any perceived misbehavior. Might end up getting out of his/her car or approaching other drivers directly.
• The Philosopher: accepts misbehavior easily and tries to rationally explain it. Manages to control his/her feelings in the car.
• The Avoider: treats misbehaving other drivers impersonally, dismisses them as a hazard.
• The Escapee: listens to music or talks on the phone to insulate him/herself. Escapees distract themselves with selected social relationships so that they do not have to relate to any of the other drivers on the road. It’s also a strategy for not getting frustrated in the first place.
Let’s just assume, for a minute, that this research by psychologies from LSE is credible, has been peer-reviewed etc etc etc. Then let’s consider whether it is likely that different types of cars are more likely to appeal to, or be attainable by, different types of personality. My hypothesis is that they do and are. I don’t have any scientific evidence of it yet. If that is the case, then it seems at least highly plausible that different cars are more likely to be driven aggressively, on average. Any meaningful thoughts, apart from calling me a bell end, a moron, an inferiority complex sufferer or similar?
Just horrible.
A case of breath taking arrogance from a bully. That manouvre beggars all reasonable belief.
I cannot imagine that someone who thinks that sort of behaviour in a car is acceptable is an angel out of the car either.
The poor, poor family. The bit about the girls asking when their legs will get better is heartbreaking.
A case of breath taking arrogance from a bully. That manouvre beggars all reasonable belief.
I cannot imagine that someone who thinks that sort of behaviour in a car is acceptable is an angel out of the car either.
The poor, poor family. The bit about the girls asking when their legs will get better is heartbreaking.
saaby93 said:
longblackcoat said:
I've got a little car with 70hp, a medium car with 200hp, and a big car (a 4x4) with 350hp. I drive the same in all of them, albeit at higher speeds in the more powerful ones.
Which is why OP's musings make little sense.
Aggressive people drive aggressively - I've seen utterly mental behaviour from a middle-aged guy in an old Punto - and that's really all there is to it. In this road rage case, it was a JLR company car anyway, so it may not have been the car he'd necessarily have chosen.
Some people ought to read what the OP actually said, rather than turning it around backwards and claiming he said something he didn'tWhich is why OP's musings make little sense.
Aggressive people drive aggressively - I've seen utterly mental behaviour from a middle-aged guy in an old Punto - and that's really all there is to it. In this road rage case, it was a JLR company car anyway, so it may not have been the car he'd necessarily have chosen.
It's like a poster saying all vegetarians only eat vegetables
Then another poster calling him a numpty because they think he said vegetables are only eaten by vegetarians
Which one is the real numpty
"Fairly typical (although obviously an extreme example) of the kind of behaviour drivers of cars like this often seem to think is ok. Tailgating their way around the country with their little fairy lights twinkling away assuming for some reason that everyone is meant to get out of their way, the roads belong to them, and rules, laws and general manners aren't important, so long as they can arrive as soon as physically possible. Utter brainless, selfish, arrogant tools the lot of them."
I then made the point that I'm a driver of such a car. I don't drive like this because I'm not a d1ckhead. The OP's assuming that the driver drove like this because he's an arrogant arse, and that this is linked to the type of car; I fundamentally disagree.
If the OP saw me driving my Panda he'd think nothing of it, but I think it likely he'd see in my German (OMG!) 4x4 (even more OMG!) and would assume that I'm an arrogant tosser.
longblackcoat said:
I read it. In particular, I read this:
"Fairly typical (although obviously an extreme example) of the kind of behaviour drivers of cars like this often seem to think is ok. Tailgating their way around the country with their little fairy lights twinkling away assuming for some reason that everyone is meant to get out of their way, the roads belong to them, and rules, laws and general manners aren't important, so long as they can arrive as soon as physically possible. Utter brainless, selfish, arrogant tools the lot of them."
I then made the point that I'm a driver of such a car. I don't drive like this because I'm not a d1ckhead. The OP's assuming that the driver drove like this because he's an arrogant arse, and that this is linked to the type of car; I fundamentally disagree.
If the OP saw me driving my Panda he'd think nothing of it, but I think it likely he'd see in my German (OMG!) 4x4 (even more OMG!) and would assume that I'm an arrogant tosser.
No, only if you were driving like an arse, which I postulate certain personality types (not necessarily you) may be more likely to do if they are driving a type of car commonly considered to be a status symbol."Fairly typical (although obviously an extreme example) of the kind of behaviour drivers of cars like this often seem to think is ok. Tailgating their way around the country with their little fairy lights twinkling away assuming for some reason that everyone is meant to get out of their way, the roads belong to them, and rules, laws and general manners aren't important, so long as they can arrive as soon as physically possible. Utter brainless, selfish, arrogant tools the lot of them."
I then made the point that I'm a driver of such a car. I don't drive like this because I'm not a d1ckhead. The OP's assuming that the driver drove like this because he's an arrogant arse, and that this is linked to the type of car; I fundamentally disagree.
If the OP saw me driving my Panda he'd think nothing of it, but I think it likely he'd see in my German (OMG!) 4x4 (even more OMG!) and would assume that I'm an arrogant tosser.
That's not that same as me assuming, at first sight, that you'll be driving like an arse. My opinion of your driving would depend on how you drive. I think it's called causality.
Edited by nffcforever on Friday 27th May 09:30
nffcforever said:
longblackcoat said:
I've got a little car with 70hp, a medium car with 200hp, and a big car (a 4x4) with 350hp. I drive the same in all of them, albeit at higher speeds in the more powerful ones.
Which is why OP's musings make little sense.
Aggressive people drive aggressively - I've seen utterly mental behaviour from a middle-aged guy in an old Punto - and that's really all there is to it. In this road rage case, it was a JLR company car anyway, so it may not have been the car he'd necessarily have chosen.
That'a good and I wish all were the same but you're essentially a sample size of one.Which is why OP's musings make little sense.
Aggressive people drive aggressively - I've seen utterly mental behaviour from a middle-aged guy in an old Punto - and that's really all there is to it. In this road rage case, it was a JLR company car anyway, so it may not have been the car he'd necessarily have chosen.
This relates to a more scientific study:
http://www.roadsafetygb.org.uk/news/4530.html
Research carried out by social psychologists from the London School of Economics and Political Science (LSE) has revealed seven driving personalities, based on how drivers deal with their own feelings and their uncertainty as to the behaviour of other road users.
The findings are part of an ongoing study on the social psychology of road safety conducted jointly by LSE and the tyre manufacturer Goodyear.
Through a combination of focus groups and in-depth interviews with European drivers, the researchers identified the following seven personalities which frequently manifest themselves:
• The Teacher: needs to make sure other drivers know what they have done wrong and expects recognition of his/her efforts to teach others.
• The Know-it-all: thinks he/she is surrounded by incompetent fools and contents themselves with shouting condescendingly at other drivers while being protected in their own car.
• The Competitor: needs to get ahead of all other drivers and is annoyed when someone gets in the way of that. He/she might accelerate when someone tries to overtake them or close a gap to prevent anyone from getting in front of them.
• The Punisher: wants to punish other drivers for any perceived misbehavior. Might end up getting out of his/her car or approaching other drivers directly.
• The Philosopher: accepts misbehavior easily and tries to rationally explain it. Manages to control his/her feelings in the car.
• The Avoider: treats misbehaving other drivers impersonally, dismisses them as a hazard.
• The Escapee: listens to music or talks on the phone to insulate him/herself. Escapees distract themselves with selected social relationships so that they do not have to relate to any of the other drivers on the road. It’s also a strategy for not getting frustrated in the first place.
Let’s just assume, for a minute, that this research by psychologies from LSE is credible, has been peer-reviewed etc etc etc. Then let’s consider whether it is likely that different types of cars are more likely to appeal to, or be attainable by, different types of personality. My hypothesis is that they do and are. I don’t have any scientific evidence of it yet. If that is the case, then it seems at least highly plausible that different cars are more likely to be driven aggressively, on average. Any meaningful thoughts, apart from calling me a bell end, a moron, an inferiority complex sufferer or similar?
What is wrong on your part in my opinion is to use a tragic incident such as this to try and push your own personal agenda.
A truly heart breaking story, and as with everyone else I hope he spends a long time at her Majesty's pleasure.
The fact that he was apparently 'laughing and smiling' with his passenger moments before the crash does suggest that rather than road rage he just a nasty, bullying c**t of the highest order. We'll see how that works out for him inside...
Seems to be a common thing with some male drivers. My wife regularly reports being tailgated and abused by certain male drivers who appear to think being overtaken by a woman is an affront that brings into question the size of their genitals? Funnily enough it never happens to me despite driving the same car in the same manner.
Oh, and totally agree that the make, type and value of the car in question bares no relation to the level of aresehole behind the wheel. There are aggressive and bad mannered people in all walks of life and with all sort of vehicles.
The fact that he was apparently 'laughing and smiling' with his passenger moments before the crash does suggest that rather than road rage he just a nasty, bullying c**t of the highest order. We'll see how that works out for him inside...
Seems to be a common thing with some male drivers. My wife regularly reports being tailgated and abused by certain male drivers who appear to think being overtaken by a woman is an affront that brings into question the size of their genitals? Funnily enough it never happens to me despite driving the same car in the same manner.
Oh, and totally agree that the make, type and value of the car in question bares no relation to the level of aresehole behind the wheel. There are aggressive and bad mannered people in all walks of life and with all sort of vehicles.
Edited by SWoll on Friday 27th May 09:35
longblackcoat said:
I read it. In particular, I read this:
"Fairly typical (although obviously an extreme example) of the kind of behaviour drivers of cars like this often seem to think is ok. Tailgating their way around the country with their little fairy lights twinkling away assuming for some reason that everyone is meant to get out of their way, the roads belong to them, and rules, laws and general manners aren't important, so long as they can arrive as soon as physically possible. Utter brainless, selfish, arrogant tools the lot of them."
I then made the point that I'm a driver of such a car. I don't drive like this because I'm not a d1ckhead. The OP's assuming that the driver drove like this because he's an arrogant arse, and that this is linked to the type of car; I fundamentally disagree.
If the OP saw me driving my Panda he'd think nothing of it, but I think it likely he'd see in my German (OMG!) 4x4 (even more OMG!) and would assume that I'm an arrogant tosser.
ok I think you've missed his qualification"Fairly typical (although obviously an extreme example) of the kind of behaviour drivers of cars like this often seem to think is ok. Tailgating their way around the country with their little fairy lights twinkling away assuming for some reason that everyone is meant to get out of their way, the roads belong to them, and rules, laws and general manners aren't important, so long as they can arrive as soon as physically possible. Utter brainless, selfish, arrogant tools the lot of them."
I then made the point that I'm a driver of such a car. I don't drive like this because I'm not a d1ckhead. The OP's assuming that the driver drove like this because he's an arrogant arse, and that this is linked to the type of car; I fundamentally disagree.
If the OP saw me driving my Panda he'd think nothing of it, but I think it likely he'd see in my German (OMG!) 4x4 (even more OMG!) and would assume that I'm an arrogant tosser.
'Fairly typical (although obviously an extreme example) of the kind'
He didnt say 'all'
If you want to strip that off he could have further qualified it with 'some'
kind of behaviour 'some' drivers of cars like this
That's the trouble with English (or benefit) it can be interpreted different ways
As I said earlier though you can link it to the type of car - even if you do fundamentally disagree
saaby93 said:
TheJimi said:
I've seen aggressive driving from all manner of vehicles on the road. I genuinely couldn't even begin to draw correlations between the type of car driven and the propensity of that type to being driven by aggressive people.
It is possible statistically that a particular type of driver buys a particular type of carThe converse inst true that everyone who buys that type of car is that type of driver
Insurance accident stats are similar and why we've previously discussed relatively high premium for say a 17 year in a Corsa but relatively low in say a Passat.
nffcforever said:
No, only if you were driving like an arse, which I postulate certain personality types (not necessarily you) may be more likely to do if they are driving a type of car commonly considered to be a status symbol.
That's not that same as me assuming, at first sight, that you'll be driving like an arse. My opinion of your driving would depend on how you drive. I think it's called causality.
So boil it down. Which cars do you think bring out the worst in people? You say this the behaviour displayed is 'typical' so you must have the evidence of your own eyes.That's not that same as me assuming, at first sight, that you'll be driving like an arse. My opinion of your driving would depend on how you drive. I think it's called causality.
Edited by nffcforever on Friday 27th May 09:30
You're the guy bringing the assertion, so let's hear which cars are the worst driven. Then we can look at the accident stats for those cars and see if they're more likely to be involved in a collision which, logically, they would be, if they're being driven as badly as you state.
berlintaxi said:
All lovely but that report says nothing about the type of car driven, this is all just your perception, look for the numerous threads on here regarding all Audi drivers are cocks, all BMW drivers are cocks etc. All sorts of cars get driven badly by all sorts of people, your perception maybe that it is predominately 4x4s, my experience of life on the road leads me to disagree with that opinion, neither of us are right or wrong.
What is wrong on your part in my opinion is to use a tragic incident such as this to try and push your own personal agenda.
For the umpteenth time, I haven't singled out 4x4s.What is wrong on your part in my opinion is to use a tragic incident such as this to try and push your own personal agenda.
And how is it my personal agenda? What do I have to gain? I take offence at the suggestion that by raising awareness of the incident and making people perhaps think twice before driving aggressively, and seeking to discuss the reasons for the behaviour, that that is somehow a bad thing that shouldn't be talked about. Grow up.
You don't generally hear accounts of appalling driving from people in small, classic or slower vehicles. The main reports of reckless people tend to be from those in larger and more powerful vehicles, on the whole. Not always true, but as a generalisation.
You don't generally hear people getting furious about the antics of Morris Minor drivers, or from say Austin minis, classic Beetles, etc. The social stereotype is the thrusting younger to middle aged prat in his fast German car, or sometimes the selfish or oblivious 4x4 driver.
It is not even about money on the whole I would say. It is more about certain types in certain cars. As an example, over the past two years I have noticed the best drivers (by a very long way) were either in McLaren or Ferrari. Not once or twice, but many times. I note this is well away from London out in the sticks, or around the M25. I certainly would not include the Harrods attention seekers in this group.
You don't generally hear people getting furious about the antics of Morris Minor drivers, or from say Austin minis, classic Beetles, etc. The social stereotype is the thrusting younger to middle aged prat in his fast German car, or sometimes the selfish or oblivious 4x4 driver.
It is not even about money on the whole I would say. It is more about certain types in certain cars. As an example, over the past two years I have noticed the best drivers (by a very long way) were either in McLaren or Ferrari. Not once or twice, but many times. I note this is well away from London out in the sticks, or around the M25. I certainly would not include the Harrods attention seekers in this group.
Sheepshanks said:
longblackcoat said:
If the OP saw me driving my Panda he'd think nothing of it, but I think it likely he'd see in my German (OMG!) 4x4 (even more OMG!) and would assume that I'm an arrogant tosser.
Stereotypes exist for a reason though.
Someones going to extend this soon to type of car and propensity to misread posts
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