Nurburgring in under 5 minutes possible?

[Vyse]

After watching old Nick tip toe around the ring a few years ago, it was estimated by the BMW engineers a full time attack would be in the region of 5:20. If you could find the most suicidal of drivers, along with the best F1 car, setup so that it was perfect for the track, would a sub 5 minute be possible?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA2yYohW1Vs

[NooBish AbbZ]

bloody hell, he was tip-toeing

[MRobbins1987]

Just let Joe loose in his polo gti, intimidating drl's, a dab of oppo on every corner and a new record will be set.

[Vitorio]

Someone like schumacher, raikkonen or montoya in their 2004 state and cars would be a good shot, pretty much every lap record on a non-new F1 track is a 2004 car

But the gap between a 2004 and a 2007 F1 car on melbourne is only a second or so, extrapolate that to the Ring, and you are looking at 5-6 secs faster then BMWs presumed 5:20

[Vyse]

If you fit a F2004 with some modern day slicks that should help a considerable amount.

Vitorio said:

Someone like schumacher, raikkonen or montoya in their 2004 state and cars would be a good shot, pretty much every lap record on a non-new F1 track is a 2004 car

But the gap between a 2004 and a 2007 F1 car on melbourne is only a second or so, extrapolate that to the Ring, and you are looking at 5-6 secs faster then BMWs presumed 5:20

[Troubleatmill]

Vyse said:

After watching old Nick tip toe around the ring a few years ago, it was estimated by the BMW engineers a full time attack would be in the region of 5:20. If you could find the most suicidal of drivers, along with the best F1 car, setup so that it was perfect for the track, would a sub 5 minute be possible?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA2yYohW1Vs

No. Not a chance in hell. F1 2016 cars are a st load slower than from 10 years ago

F1 cars are limited by regulations.

Now... if you rephrase the question to....

With what is technically possible pushing the limits of our engineering and human abilities.... is a sub 5 minute ring time be possible.


Answer = Yes. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

But the car would looknothing like an F1 car.


Edit... I would add the driver could undress to nakedness.... stick a feather duster up his arse and sing a verse of so Jai Ho....

Edited by Troubleatmill on Thursday 26th May 21:55

[Vyse]

st, just done some quick maths. To lap the ring in 5 minutes you would need to average 273mph. Surely this cant be right.

[V8FGO]

Vyse said:

st, just done some quick maths. To lap the ring in 5 minutes you would need to average 273mph. Surely this cant be right.

Correct, I think that would be kph, not mph, which would be around 148 mph average.

[Sam All]

That's faster than the average speed at Spa

[Uncle John]

Not sure any car would be able to do this.

If it was me though, a stripped out Polo GTi would be my weapon of choice.

[Steven_RW]

MRobbins1987 said:

Just let Joe loose in his polo gti, intimidating drl's, a dab of oppo on every corner and a new record will be set.

Completely unfair but LOL!!!

[Vyse]

The same calculation would equal 440km/h.

V8FGO said:

Correct, I think that would be kph, not mph, which would be around 148 mph average.

[Gad-Westy]

Vyse said:

The same calculation would equal 440km/h.

V8FGO said:

Correct, I think that would be kph, not mph, which would be around 148 mph average.

My understanding is that the record times reference the 12.9 miles Nordschleife configuration.

12.9 miles in 5 minutes is 2.58 miles per minute which equals 154.8 mph or 250 kmh

[smithyithy]

V8FGO said:

Correct, I think that would be kph, not mph, which would be around 148 mph average.

Wonder how far away a bike would be? the TT record stands at 132mph average, I wonder if the track layout etc of the Ring would allow for higher..

[Vyse]

Your right. For some dopey reason I had the track length at 20.8 miles instead.

Gad-Westy said:

My understanding is that the record times reference the 12.9 miles Nordschleife configuration.

12.9 miles in 5 minutes is 2.58 miles per minute which equals 154.8 mph or 250 kmh

[Gad-Westy]

smithyithy said:

V8FGO said:

Correct, I think that would be kph, not mph, which would be around 148 mph average.

Wonder how far away a bike would be? the TT record stands at 132mph average, I wonder if the track layout etc of the Ring would allow for higher..

The ring doesn't seem to suit bikes nearly as well as the TT course. Quickest official full lap is 7.49 though I think there be an unofficial lap slightly quicker than that. Most other bike records are misleading as they're generally bridge to gantry times which is about 2km shorter.

A list here, no idea how accurate or up to date it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburg...

Edited by Gad-Westy on Friday 27th May 11:00

[Dave Hedgehog]

you would probably need to throw the F1 rule books out and give the engineers a free hand, which would end up with something like the redbull x cars

http://www.topgear.com/car-news/gaming/mother-god-...

Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Friday 27th May 11:07

[krisdelta]

MRobbins1987 said:

Just let Joe loose in his polo gti, intimidating drl's, a dab of oppo on every corner and a new record will be set.

this isn't going away is it?

Back O/T - the car used by Nick as I understand it was set up similar to Monaco requirements and deliberately slow for the coverage.

[HustleRussell]

Troubleatmill said:

No. Not a chance in hell. F1 2016 cars are a st load slower than from 10 years ago

F1 cars are limited by regulations.

I think you’re wrong.

IIRC with the turbocharged engines and eight speed ‘boxes the current F1 cars are faster in a straight line than ever before. The regulations seem to particularly limit tyres and aero to bring braking points forward and mid-corner speeds down.

I actually think the tyres would’ve been faster in 2004 and the aero was probably greater too, nonetheless the current F1 cars aren’t a million miles away from lap record pace.

Current F1 car with 2004 aero and decent tyres, now you’re talking.

[FourWheelDrift]

2016 cars have been around 2 seconds per lap faster than 2006 in qualifying at the comparable circuits so far this year (Melbourne & Bahrain). Hamilton breaking the qualifying lap record at Bahrain this year which was set in the V10 era.