RE: Nissan GT-R MY17: Driven (briefly)

[ZX10R NIN]

A 911 Turbo S (which is the only one that matches/beats the GT-R) nigh on double the money a Carrera 4S is 10k over the price of the GT-R inferior in performance a better interior & just as costly to run which make the GT-R in a class of one for me.

[Babw]

tjlees said:

Iirc you can buy a GTR service package or its part of the finance deal.

However all performance cars are expensive to maintain - major service on Porsche turbo is around £1500 when you take into account of brake fluid and a/c.

Unfortunately the styling tweeks imho, are starting to make GTR look like it really has gone through halfords backwards. Still not bad value and they are starting to improve the interior, poss at the expense of the weight going to 1.8t

Time for Nissan to look at aluminium or carbon fibre - once they crack this and reduce the weight to around 1400kg, they will have mclaren running to the hills!

I'm pretty sure if a company the size of Nissan wanted to make a McLaren (relatively tiny company) type of car they could but that's not their aim.

I wish more big companies would put performance above interior quality and exotic material to make GTR rivals at sub 100k mark. It's the only bespoke car at this range for me, there are other like Lotus who make 5 different variations of one car like Porsche but Nissan have put all their energy into making this car the best they can for this budget. Hats off to them.

[peter450]

vz-r_dave said:

tjlees said:

Iirc you can buy a GTR service package or its part of the finance deal.

However all performance cars are expensive to maintain - major service on Porsche turbo is around £1500 when you take into account of brake fluid and a/c.

Unfortunately the styling tweeks imho, are starting to make GTR look like it really has gone through halfords backwards. Still not bad value and they are starting to improve the interior, poss at the expense of the weight going to 1.8t

Time for Nissan to look at aluminium or carbon fibre - once they crack this and reduce the weight to around 1400kg, they will have mclaren running to the hills!

They dont have the brand to compete (yet), add Carbon tub and aluminium and you won't be able to buy one for 80k that for sure.

This car is legendary, it's a brand in itself, much like the Impreza, GT40 etc if Nissan did all of that on a Nismo version I don't think they would have any trouble finding Homes for them even at twice th price

[NomduJour]

dazzx10r said:

It's ridiculously heavy

It's within 100kg or so of a 991 Turbo.

[sebhaque]

A (PHer) friend of mine lent me his GT-R a few weeks ago. It was epic. I've never experienced such a thrill in a car - savage acceleration, incredible cornering, all of the toys you want (G-meter, adaptive suspension, adjustable maps etc) yet it had heated seats, cruise control, air con, good visibility and a decent boot.

I got back in my T350 and almost forgot I was driving a fun car. It takes a lot to dull the rush you get from driving a TVR but I'm happy to say the GT-R easily managed to do so.

[MB 1]

Wonder how many laps of Spa it can do now? The original 2009 one could only do 3 laps before the transmission temps went too high.

Sounds like a st experience - if anyone adjusted my seat there would be serious words had. Wheel grabbing is also a big fking no-no. wkers!

The issue I have with the GTR is what you would do with it. It's too big to enjoy on normal roads. On bigger roads you're looking at jail time (can say this with most cars but it's worse in a GTR!) and it's certainly not a track car... For what it would cost to maintain for track use there are far better options. I love the car but could never find a reason to buy one.

[ZX10R NIN]

Nissan GT-R Length: 4650mm Width: 1895mm
991 Carrera 4S/991 Turbo Length: 4507mm Width 1890mm

So it's 15cm longer & 0.5 wider that the Porsche but it's to big to be used on our roads?

As a sidebar.

BMW M3 Length: 4671mm Width:1877

[ZX10R NIN]

MB 1 said:

Wonder how many laps of Spa it can do now? The original 2009 one could only do 3 laps before the transmission temps went too high.

Sounds like a st experience - if anyone adjusted my seat there would be serious words had. Wheel grabbing is also a big fking no-no. wkers!

The issue I have with the GTR is what you would do with it. It's too big to enjoy on normal roads. On bigger roads you're looking at jail time (can say this with most cars but it's worse in a GTR!) and it's certainly not a track car... For what it would cost to maintain for track use there are far better options. I love the car but could never find a reason to buy one.

What could you buy new for the same money that's 4wd can be used on the road & track that has over 550bhp for 80k or less? Carrera 4 maybe (costs just as much to run), I'm like you I respect the GT-R but personally I'm not going to buy one I have some friends that have them & none have had issues.

[vz-r_dave]

peter450 said:

vz-r_dave said:

tjlees said:

Iirc you can buy a GTR service package or its part of the finance deal.

However all performance cars are expensive to maintain - major service on Porsche turbo is around £1500 when you take into account of brake fluid and a/c.

Unfortunately the styling tweeks imho, are starting to make GTR look like it really has gone through halfords backwards. Still not bad value and they are starting to improve the interior, poss at the expense of the weight going to 1.8t

Time for Nissan to look at aluminium or carbon fibre - once they crack this and reduce the weight to around 1400kg, they will have mclaren running to the hills!

They dont have the brand to compete (yet), add Carbon tub and aluminium and you won't be able to buy one for 80k that for sure.

This car is legendary, it's a brand in itself, much like the Impreza, GT40 etc if Nissan did all of that on a Nismo version I don't think they would have any trouble finding Homes for them even at twice th price

The brand is legendary to PH'rs and petrol heads in general. However the consumer base for the likes of the 911 Turbo and Maclaren buy them not only because of the car but the badge on the nose and the image. As soon as Nissan compete at 140k plus they have a much more challenging playing field and the consumer base changes significantly. This is why they do limited production runs, like the Nismo for example.

I think they need to evolve the GTR brand, probably detach it from the Nissan brand all together.

You seem to be missing the point a bit.

[Bailey93]

Here's a laugh for everyone at my expense... But what does MY stand for in MY17 etc etc ?

[Dan Trent]

Bailey93 said:

Here's a laugh for everyone at my expense... But what does MY stand for in MY17 etc etc ?

Model Year!

Dan

[StottyEvo]

dazzx10r said:

I don't see what all of the fuss about with the GTR personaly. It's ridiculously heavy, and the running costs are horiffic. Haven't Nissan heard of aluminium or carbon fibre?

I'll give you its heavy, that's the one thing that puts me off them.

Although the running costs are horrific ?!?!?! Whaaaa???

A friend of mine bought one a couple years ago from a dealership for 40k, he recently sold it for 36k (it sold within hours of putting up for sale) he had covered 24,000 miles in his ownership, was on the same tires and brakes as when he bought it. He paid for a wheel hub (£200) big service (£800) and a standard service (£200) the entire time. That's £5200 for over 2years of trouble free motoring. My dads diesel Accord costs more than that.

Granted a full set of tires can be pricey, but if you don't rag the st out of it and the tracking is correct they last forever. They're also supremely reliable.

[greygoose]

I am surprised a set of tyres would last 24k miles on a GTR.

[Anubis]

I like the fact the GTR has this mythological element to it. Its always the case of "my mate had one" - rarely you hear from someone who actually has one that can tell you first hand (unless you're on the GTR forums).

People for some reason love comparing cars to Porsche yet when it comes to the GTR they kind of say "yer but the 911 is fast...oh...well, the Porsche costs...oh wait erm...ah I know! Servicing is oh wait that's also cheaper. The build quality - now don't get me started on the shoddy build quality of the GTR...oh no wait, that's not right either. Er...fk you GTR! That's right fk you. We have a Porsche badge on the front of our bonnet!!!"

Everyone loves an under dog and what an underdog the GTR is. The world of motoring is better for the GTR whether you personally like or loath them.

[ZX10R NIN]

StottyEvo said:

dazzx10r said:

I don't see what all of the fuss about with the GTR personaly. It's ridiculously heavy, and the running costs are horiffic. Haven't Nissan heard of aluminium or carbon fibre?

I'll give you its heavy, that's the one thing that puts me off them.

Although the running costs are horrific ?!?!?! Whaaaa???

A friend of mine bought one a couple years ago from a dealership for 40k, he recently sold it for 36k (it sold within hours of putting up for sale) he had covered 24,000 miles in his ownership, was on the same tires and brakes as when he bought it. He paid for a wheel hub (£200) big service (£800) and a standard service (£200) the entire time. That's £5200 for over 2years of trouble free motoring. My dads diesel Accord costs more than that.

Granted a full set of tires can be pricey, but if you don't rag the st out of it and the tracking is correct they last forever. They're also supremely reliable.

Is the weight difference 100kgs if so then I don't think most people will notice.

[Helicopter123]

How on earth have they managed to make it so heavy?

1.8 tonnes, Christ, that's SUV esqu...

[NomduJour]

As above, a 991 Turbo is about 1700kg, an M4 roughly the same. A fakey 4x4 like a Q7 is closer to 2300 kg...

[GroundEffect]

Bailey93 said:

Here's a laugh for everyone at my expense... But what does MY stand for in MY17 etc etc ?

As Dan said, it's Model Year. What it means is that the OEMs change their production lines generally yearly for incremental updates and for whatever reason this has come to be in August-September-time. So a MY2017 vehicle starts production in September 2016. Don't ask me why.

It's really a US-thing but as companies become global, they get used often.

You really go down the rabbit hole when you start talking 2017.25 or 2017.5 model year vehicles

[Small Car]

Anubis said:

I like the fact the GTR has this mythological element to it. Its always the case of "my mate had one" - rarely you hear from someone who actually has one that can tell you first hand (unless you're on the GTR forums).

I bought a new one a year ago. With a service pack included in the price. New £67,500. Done 15k miles. Set of Vreds at 10k miles off my tyres for £91 a corner.. 20.9 mpg. Three services - running in, oil service and optimisation. And have another two oil / optimisations in the service pack. No other costs. Nissan service quite good.

It carries the dog, the mountain bike, did the recce on a rally at Otterburn, does the commute, the Evo triangle and makes me smile and feel safe. Only an FF can better it in my eyes! The cheapest of which is twice the price and way older.

My daily is a bog std GTD and that is better equipped. I miss the DAB and the pointy headlights from the Golf when in the GTR but I understand the new GTR is getting DAB. Sad I know, but one reason to change!

[Zed 44]

greygoose said:

I am surprised a set of tyres would last 24k miles on a GTR.

Just short of 3 years and 27k miles on my MPSSs. About 4mm left.

No track days though. Just enjoyable touring in Europe.

Glad to see an enthusiastic response here for the GTR.