RE: New TVR - the car
Discussion
stevesingo said:
Switchable ABS?
How will that effect type approval?
How will that effect insurance?
I thought that too, but I imagine it will be 'for track only' and the ECU will record when it's off. If it's off and you stack it I imagine most imsurance companies will just refuse to cover you. How will that effect type approval?
How will that effect insurance?
Not sure about type approval.
I still can't see why you'd want to switch the ABS off, but there you go. Fingers crossed most keep it switched on on the road, especially if they want to drive enthusiastically/like a cock.
Good luck to them I say. Genuine people going to build a proper sports car here in the UK - what's not to like about that? My 96 Chimaera is actually more reliable than my e class Merc and I am sure that Les and his crew will build a tremendous vehicle which will be good to go from day one this time . Just wish I could afford to buy one - one day maybe. I bet small kids will dream about owning a new TVR more than many other sports cars.
"The first 500 cars will be known as Launch Edition models with a full aero package, the higher state of tune from the V8, the carbon fibre iStream chassis..."
Bend over boys!
When an Ariel Nomad made out of steel tubes, plastic seats and an off-the-shelf Honda drivetrain costs £45k in decent spec' there's not a snowball's chance in hell of seeing that new TVR within a country mile of £60k.
I look forward to seeing the car and hope the customers do their stuff.
Bend over boys!
When an Ariel Nomad made out of steel tubes, plastic seats and an off-the-shelf Honda drivetrain costs £45k in decent spec' there's not a snowball's chance in hell of seeing that new TVR within a country mile of £60k.
I look forward to seeing the car and hope the customers do their stuff.
kambites said:
I don't think it matters for type approval, as long as the system is on by default.
In some countries it's illegal to disable ABS on the public road but where it's legal, I'd imagine insurance would cover it?
In the 80's Audi's all came with switchable ABS. Although for different reasons than here which is purely to satiate the "driving God" type that likes to bang on about "undiluted experiences". Reality is that these types will have it switched on 99% of the time, as why wouldn't you? Although it's not as if you're suddenly going to crash because the safety systems are turned off. A point people seem to get confused with these days. At least here you have the option, and that's more important than the driving God types saying that TVR have gone soft because of ABS/TC/ESP now being fitted. You want to be Bertie Big bIn some countries it's illegal to disable ABS on the public road but where it's legal, I'd imagine insurance would cover it?
ks behind the wheel of your new TVR, just flick the switch to off. And then you can tell/bore everyone down the pub/in the forums how you drive like this all the time.And it's not illegal to not have ABS, or switchable ABS for any low volume type approval, as borne out by the many non abs equipped low volume cars available today. Therefore no issues with insurance, just as current non ABS TVRs are no issue. Mass market type approvals though are different in this respect.
dvs_dave said:
And it's not illegal to not have ABS, or switchable ABS for any low volume type approval, as borne out by the many non abs equipped low volume cars available today. Therefore no issues with insurance, just as current non ABS TVRs are no issue. Mass market type approvals though are different in this respect.
I might be wrong but I think both ABS and Stability Control are required for ECSSTA these days? 
Byker28i said:
s2000db said:
How are they going to corrosion proof this chassis, powder coating again?
I should imagine the treatments possible have moved on a lot since the original power coated chassis, which lasted 18 years on my CerberaI really can't see that kind of behaviour happening again. And many little TVR niggles were a result of moronic staff and staff practices and corner cutting on the buying side.
It's hard to imagine the relaunch will be hiring the kind of manager who is so thick or lazy as to leave bare metal chassis to rust before prepping them. Plus, you get the impression that LE will give a s
t about his customers unlike PW who just didn't. Byker28i said:
mikEsprit said:
I don't think Edgar is correct about paddle shifting knocking off a 1/2 second on the 0-60 time compared to a manual transmission? Isn't it more like a tenth difference?
Doesn't golf dsg against normal gearbox claim much more than 0.5 sec?Tuvra said:
I'm pretty sure that the Golf is 0.3 seconds faster in DSG form. Considering how good the R is at launching, I'd be surprised if any car is capable of gaining half a second to 60 from the box alone.
For the Golf the 0-60 when using launch control for the DSG will be repeatable (assuming good conditions and tyres) for anybody, with the manual being reliant on driver ability there will be a bigger difference for your average driver. The DSG can also be tweaked to make it more aggressive (debatable if this is a good idea when looking at long term reliability) and this will increase the gap further. I'd expect a proper sports car like a TVR to have as aggressive as possible auto when set to race mode, so I'd expect a bigger gap between the manual and the auto than a few hundredths of a second.
Having said that, I don't think an auto is the way to go for TVR at this point, with the limitations on the number of cars they can produce a year without incurring significant extra costs the cheaper manual should still sell plenty of cars. I know I'd rather have a manual if I could afford a TVR.
dvs_dave said:
kambites said:
I don't think it matters for type approval, as long as the system is on by default.
In some countries it's illegal to disable ABS on the public road but where it's legal, I'd imagine insurance would cover it?
In the 80's Audi's all came with switchable ABS. Although for different reasons than here which is purely to satiate the "driving God" type that likes to bang on about "undiluted experiences". Reality is that these types will have it switched on 99% of the time, as why wouldn't you? Although it's not as if you're suddenly going to crash because the safety systems are turned off. A point people seem to get confused with these days. At least here you have the option, and that's more important than the driving God types saying that TVR have gone soft because of ABS/TC/ESP now being fitted. You want to be Bertie Big bIn some countries it's illegal to disable ABS on the public road but where it's legal, I'd imagine insurance would cover it?
ks behind the wheel of your new TVR, just flick the switch to off. And then you can tell/bore everyone down the pub/in the forums how you drive like this all the time.And it's not illegal to not have ABS, or switchable ABS for any low volume type approval, as borne out by the many non abs equipped low volume cars available today. Therefore no issues with insurance, just as current non ABS TVRs are no issue. Mass market type approvals though are different in this respect.
But hang on - 3 pages in and no-one is making a big noise about the powerplant! My understanding is that Ford used a 458 engine to help with development for the flat plane crank V8. The development budget for this engine will be an order of magnitude more than TVR's entire pot. The GT350 is one of the best cars we can't currently buy in the UK. This is the engine that will be fettled by Cosworth. I salute you sirs for your savvy choice of engine and giving this peach of a powerplant a chance to power something exotic.
I do wonder about this place sometimes. If you want OPC service go buy a Porker. If you want something more raw, more visceral, arguably more special, then this has the potential to tick your boxes. All the gags about old production foibles will not apply to this machine, not unless Mr Edgar wants to put his money on the bonfire. iStream is a completely new process for manufacture which avoids the costs and tooling of heavy industry car production. It, in itself, is a work of genuine brilliance and to see it incorporated from stage one on this kind of vehicle is very encouraging. The economies of production might just save the mid price exotic from extinction. And in a world where any Carrera is nudging six figures that is most welcome. Roll on TVR. Your resurrection is both needed and welcome.
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